Oh no....I’m getting Trashta PTSD!!!!
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I do believe she is very ignorant and if she doesn’t fix that soon, it’s going to be and already is honestly harming her and everyone around her but I don’t believe she deserve the hate she gets.
Everyone seems to be demanding that she “look at the signals jun is sending out,” but forget she is literally a 15-16 year old girl in her first? relationship who’s only reference to romance is probably manga and her senpai and friends who glorify their own relationships to brag. Jun has been sending out very mixed signals to her as well, first with accepting her confession then kissing her back and progressing until he suddenly backed off but even then he still said they were going on the double date to the onsen. Dating is not the end all be all where once you date, you’ll know everything about the person like in the shoujo mangas, dating is another form of getting to know someone in the context of starting a partnership. It would be great if she picked up the real signals but if Juns trying to hide it then why is everyone getting mad at her for not seeing something he doesn’t want her to see when they barely know each other.
“I don’t believe they exist around me.” Was the height of ignorance but there was an obvious solution to curing it which was have him opening up to her and revealing that he’s actually gay in the first place. Yes it would have been hard to do considering all the emotional trauma that could happening. But she isn’t a bad person at heart and after a little eye opening conversation I believe she would have changed for the better if it was early on. But now that they’re dating, what is she going to think? My boyfriend is actually gay so why did he date me? He’s seeing an older guy? So am I just a shield for him? That would leave a 100%. worse image on an impressionable teen who’s probably not used to thinking with her head.
Honestly I believe both of them are victims to their society’s social standing on the issue. Miura has ignorance the level of the clouds which makes her look at gay people like fairies which is harming Jun and Jun is so afraid of being outed and subsequently ridiculed by society that he is harming Miura and himself in the process of trying to appear “normal.”
I don't like Miura and I can see why your opinion might be unpopular but I appreciate your articulation in trying to understand both their situations.
I know that even I have said "look at Jun's signals" and I still believe it but I think some people forget also that Jun is also the same age as her. She has BL manga to reference but his understanding of romance is pretty much as limited as hers. The only difference between the two is that his understanding of romance sprouts from lived realities. While Miura focuses on the fictional aspects of manga and BL manga, Jun is first hand involved in sexual relations and online communication with others. It may seem like he has more resources but these two teens are both still pretty naive to romance. It is important to comprehend that Miura's idea of romance is filtered through fiction while Jun's is through reality because then that makes the reader understand Miura's privileges. Just like manga, if she doesn't understand why Jun put her in this situation, she can easily put it beside her and forget about - as if his life was a fictional part of her life. But Jun is living his romantic experiences. He is not belittling Miura. He likes her but he is also trying to understand why he doesn't LIKE her. Miura is not a villain but her privilege allows her to use her ignorance and naivety and GET ANGRY while Jun's ignorance and naivety about romance is criticized by Miura who was two-timed. Her privilege as someone who can shut off gay experiences as "fantastical" while Jun has to learn that gay experiences AND straight experiences are all real is what makes me dislike Miura. This is privilege; when you don't have to worry about "other" people. But Jun has to always keep the whole world on his mind. Yes, she is not an evil person but ignorant words are far more dangerous than fully physical harm.
I love how non-combative you are about your opinion. I hope I sounded non-combative too - I am not trying to start a fight. Your opinion has helped me in prying my eyes towards Miura lol.
No thank you for sharing your opinion as well! I understand where you are coming from and can understand why her privilege to shut off that part of the world would be infuriating to some. I really hope she grows and maybe from Jun opens up to reality more to learn to see the side she’s blind to currently. I also really hope Jun learns from her the more optimistic side of love and friendship where he can learn to not define the barriers of his friendships by the fact that he’s gay and learn to accept himself more.
Wow I thought he was going to be one of those scum that dated the sister to get closer to the brother but he’s a scum of a different kind!
It was okay but I really wish that he was actually a Kyoto rickshaw driver! They fall in love a little more each ride they go on with each other, maybe some midnight and dawn rides and stuff. It would be a lot more interesting than secret CEO who’s actually my boss kind of type thing.
Ahhh the complications of love. You can love someone without wanting to bone them and you can be attracted to someone without knowing them at all. You can get jealous and live happy lives together regardless of your orientation is you just communicate. Hope he stops seeing the older pedo tho, if he’s going to date her then at least make an attempt to be a relationship even if you don’t want to have sex.
Me: Yay! They got together that was so heartwarming and great, my crops have been watered and my depression is gone!
Chapter 7: ( ° ʖ °)
For those of you confused by this manga, there are a lot of abrupt time skips that are kind of hard to pick up on.
The first chapter besides the first 2 pages are set in the beginning of their 3rd year at college. The second chapter starts somewhere in their 3rd year of college and details a photo shoot that the uke is modeling in and the seme is a camera man for. Then between this is a flashback story to around their 2nd year of high school which details what I assume is the uke realizing his feelings for the seme when he saw her with a girl from another school. The flashback and present story are in chronological order so ch.2 is basically just two stories order 1 1 2 2 3 3 with the emojis being the flashback.
Bless you kind soul!
Thank you!! I was wondering
Where have you been all my life you beautiful creature
I personally very much enjoyed this manga and the tidbits of novel we got by the translation team!
At this point I’m left with feelings of pity and hopefulness to everyone in this series. I’m very glad that Miura and Jun remained good friends and that he now has the confidence and support he needs to accept himself and his sexuality in a society that isn’t kind to those like him. The character I feel the worst for is Mr.Fahrenheit’s mother. I believe she actually loved him and said some very insensitive and rash things in the heat of the moment that she never got to resolve once the weight of it sunk in more. Now she’ll never have another chance to try and understand her son because he’s gone.
Ono (is his name that black haired friend) is a character with good intentions that went sour due to his self righteous anger. He wanted to set up his friend with the girl he liked, his friend dates her first, and then found out that that guy was cheating on his friends crush with another guy. But his actions done in anger were disgusting and I hope he learns from this experience that words can do more just hurt.
Makoto is a disgusting and pitiful man and I hope he gets the help he needs. It seems implied that he stopped seeing other men once his son was born but started seeing Jun after he had “that incident.” Pedophilia is actually a medical condition and people can seek treatment. I wish he just saw help instead of acting on it. I hope that now that he’s done with Jun he will seek real help and not prey on minors anymore.
I wish Mr.fahrenheits cousin waited until Mr.Fahrenheit was more of age before they acted. He was an adult and by not acting responsibly he not only damned himself but also his lover. I have very complicated feelings about their love. Sometimes who you fall in love with isn’t controllable but it’s actions that matter and I find his severely irresponsible.
The only real issue that I had with this manga on the plot level was the way they made out “love” and “like.” You can be sexually attracted to someone you don’t love and love someone your not sexually attracted to. Love and even romantic love aren’t so narrow that you have to want to have sex with them for it to even qualify. That’s what made me partially disgusted with Makoto. He could love his wife but not get sexual gratification out of it which caused him to look for side gigs but he did not seem to not love her at all, at the end saying he would save his wife felt more like a choice being made to keep with the social norms than real love. I could be wrong on this tho and would greatly appreciate if someone told me otherwise. Being gay does not mean you cannot love the opposite gender, it just means you don’t find yourself sexually attracted to them.
To explain more about your ending note,"You can be sexually attracted to someone you don’t love and love someone your not sexually attracted to."
That's exactly what the series was portraying. Jun can never be sexually tracked to Miura, but his love for her was real. Meanwhile, Makoto is just somebody that couldn't. In the manga he uses the word 'aisuru', which compared to 'suki' that Jun and Miura used exclusively, it means directly love. He TRIED to love her. He really did. But unlike Jun which couldn't get hard for Miura but loved her, Makoto managed to get hard but couldn't love. He was actually missing that ROMANTIC element to keep himself faithful. Granted I'm sure the sex wasn't as enjoyable, but the main factor here was the romance for him. Probably wasn't as clear...
But overall, the series' main theme was indeed the split between sexual attraction and romantic attraction. Sometimes, a couple can co-exist with only one aspect. For Miura and Jun, there is something in the back of my head that if Jun choose to stay, they probably would've gotten married and achieved his dream I translated from the novel in chapter 7. The one where he was watching his song playing catch as Miura, his wife and bearer of his children, laughed. It didn't have to be through sex, but artificial insemination if they couldn't find a way to get it up.
But Jun needed to find out who he was, and so they did the right choice and break up while he still had the youth to explore. Maybe in the sequel the two will get back together, but as of right now he is exploring more options on the homosexual end.
Okay, thank you for clearing that up for me with it being intentional! I understood that the author was trying to portray the difference between love and sexual attraction with Miura and Jun’s relationship but I wasn’t sure about Makoto as he always pissed me off ╮(￣▽￣)╭.
Although many people are saying this story was very undefined and messy, I believe it had a strong theme it wanted to explore and it achieved its goal. Not everyone will like the characters but I think the portray of the different facets of love and lust is interesting enough to make it a worthwhile read.