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i also begin to hate the Seme here but since there's no Drama or Tragedy tag, im still hopeful for a good development

In the last chapter of the raws he saves the uke from a guy who was raping him... but I still hate him... he is to blame for involving him in this ''business''.

theres an updateeee

AAAAAAA FINALLY!!

Personally feel that he is a pond scum character. He parades about claiming his intentions is to pay back a friend and bring them happiness but it is all just for his amusement. He didn’t care about the ending if they had ended up getting hurt because of him. I hate Naru though

Nah. He just comes off that haracter whos always one step ahead and wants everything to work out and be like the guy who cant find love so he tries to make other ppl find it (in his own ways)

I know what you're talking about, I liked the story but his character left me with a bad feeling... I couldn't fully enjoy the story because of him.
I felt that all the other characters were dancing in his hand... I really hated it.

That's why I couldn't concentrate reading this (≧∀≦) It was distracting me LOL

ahhh honestly i get it! i get angry when nemu just bottled up all his feelings because i think maya would listen and understand if nemu just tells him, but i do get why he did all that. so, i'm just angry at the fact nemu has to go through so much and i hate that ruka did all that. i just want nemu to be happy:(

I also think it would be better for him to express himself and talk to Maya but I really understand why he got this way... Nemu has a serious inferiority complex, he doesn't see himself on the same level as Maya and with Ruka poisoning his head and Maya putting work in priority and not having any time for Nemu made him super insecure... I feel so bad for him... Nemu is such a sweet guy.... ╥﹏╥

It's because Nemu is a negative person. I guess that's why he and Maya balance each other out? But overall Nemu is a pessimist it seems. He focuses on the bad and not the good.

Like with him being called boring. Sure that started the complex, but what about what happened afterwards? What about Maya's apology over that? Does it count for nothing? Does Nemu not remember that conversation?

You say that you don't understand why Nemu can't be jealous, but it's not even that he can't be. It anything it's that he fights against being jealous well beyond what should be normal. It is super weird that Nemu has such an extreme reaction to his jealousy . Back to the time Maya called Nemu boring. Once it came out that it bothered Nemu Maya apologized. He apologized for making Nemu feel insecure, assured Nemu that he doesn't see Ruka in that way, and offered to cut ties if it was bothering Nemu. Nemu started crying and told Maya not to cut Ruka out of his life, and that he'd feel worse if Maya did. He then told Maya that if it were to come down to that that he'd rather Maya break up with him. Maya pleads with Nemu to never talk like that again, and then confesses to Nemu that he is only the man he is now because of Nemu. That Nemu changed his life and that he is only attending college to be near Nemu. He asks Nemu to stay with him. Nemu agrees and the fight ends.

But where the fuck did that even come from? Why is breaking up even an option in Nemu's mind? Of all the alternatives he goes to that extreme. But at least at that point Nemu speaks his mind. He does less of a good job with expressing his fears after that point. He chooses to step away more and more instead of just telling his truth. Like during the fight about Maya spending the night at Ruka's. If Maya hadn't forced his way by visiting Nemu's home and talking to his mother who knows what would have happend.

I don't think Nemu wanted to break up with Maya, he was angry even with himself for being jealous and insecure...
He wants some time to cool his head, it was obvious when he said he loves Maya but being with him is painful. Nemu has a serious inferiority complex towards maya, he has no confidence in himself and ends up having negative thoughts... Ruka was the trigger that let out all those feelings he was holding inside.
And I agree that he should communicate more, but I don't think Maya would be able to understand all these feelings that Nemu was feeling.

I think Nemu's reaction to his jealousy is quite normal for someone who experienced love and has been in a relationship for the first time, especially one as intense as theirs. Their relationship started with Maya being very clingy as he used to be Maya's whole world, but as time passed by, Maya's world expanded and now he even has less time for him (not that I'm saying it's Maya's fault) of course he'd feel threatened and insecure. He already had a very low self esteem to begin with , then there's that Ruka who kept on poisoning his mind saying things that could make the situation worse. He disliked Ruka yet he doesn't want Maya to avoid him on his behalf because that's not the kind of person he is. He is surprised by how selfish he could get, probably because it's the first time he is acting selfishly, thus the friction between jealousy and reason causing him to be inconsistent. I think that Maya's roommate explained Nemu's side pretty well (forgot the name, gosh) that he's someone to think whether he is enough to stand by Maya's side since he looks up to him, could be a reason why he thought of breaking up even though he didn't really mean it.

I feel like even if Nemu were to tell Maya his side the problem still won't be solved. Sure Maya would understand and do something about it since he loves Nemu, but I think it still won't be enough to make Nemu feel secured because the problem is within him and there is nothing that Maya can do about it and he is probably aware of that. Sure Maya could support him by being by his side as he tries to fix all his insecurities but Nemu isn't like that. He prefers to think alone (as shown when he wished that Maya would go as he wants to think and be alone), as Maya can only be a distraction at this point because of his excessive love for Nemu, he would try to do everything and couldn't give Nemu space to think for himself.

And you know what's worse? In the raws
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Even though they made up there is still 'A RUKA' in the picture and they seem pretty friendly. Ughhh hope he could just disappear

It's interesting how the same feeling can cause different reactions in people. Maya's insecurities around how people always dump him is showing now. It is why he shut down and became a hermit. It is why he is so obsessive and possessive and probably why he was so quick to offer cutting ties with Ruka when Nemu's jealousy popped up the first time. So I don't know if it is true that Maya couldn't understand such feelings. He knows that Nemu feels insecure from time to time. Maya is shown noticing such feelings in his inner monologues. He just doesn't know what he can do to make it better. Or rather he is trying but since they have different love languages it isn't connecting. Vol. 8 and the lead up to this current blow up. While Maya ain't perfect, he's been doing normal boyfriend things. It's just that normal boyfriend things aren't enough. And since Maya isn't a mind reader he doesn't know just how deep the pain is. This blow up was bound to happen, even if Maya managed to stay a wake during date night, Maya was bound to fuck up sooner or later.

We get all sides of the story so its weird. Like the one time Nemu should 100% trust his gut is now. Ruka was giving him super bad vibes (he even called Ruka scary) so it was a bit more than jealousy and insecurity. It's just that Nemu doesn't have the self confidence to follow his vibes.

If the shoe were on the other foot and Ruka was after Nemu and Maya knew that Ruka was after Nemu....We would all see Ruka get his comeuppance from the first time he let his plans slip. No way Ruka could have given Maya that speech about lovers drifting apart.

He's put Maya on a pedestal for sure.

Back in their high school days it was mostly Nemu who was too busy studying. Or it was Nemu's mom signing him up for cram school(conveniently done after she met Maya in his delinquent phase). It used to always be Maya trying to find time to be with the busy Nemu. That has changed but not by that much.

Nemu may not be as busy as Maya right now but he's pretty busy himself with his tutoring job. They both had work during Christmas, and Nemu had to go away for a week for the training camp. So sure Maya has less time for Nemu but lets say Ruka didn't happen and Maya was just working at the cafe. That just sets things back to how it was in high school with Nemu having periods of time where he has no time for Maya. He's been a bit spoiled in that way. I think Nemu knows that, it is just interesting how knowledge of those facts, that sometimes life gets busy and its no one's fault, has done very little to tamp down Nemu's anxiety.

Nemu's friend Okino, and Okino's boyfriend have normal flaws. The rest of them got major problems in their pasts.

Maya is better now but he was super possessive and did rape Nemu.

Nemu has massive self esteem issues. He didn't seem to have any friends in high school and who knows if he would have made any in college if not for Maya's influence.

Akira had that weird thing with his brother and his teacher and his Naoya. He tired to use Naoya but it "backfired". And he set Nemu up to be molested while drunk by that random lady in the club.

Naoya is shifty at times too with how he used Akira's weakness to lead him into a relationship. He bullied Maya as a kid because Akira used to have a crush on him. But it wasn't like Maya even knew about it. And then there was the time where he wanted to lash out at Akira by kissing Nemu.

So he who shall not be named kinda fits in. LOL

wait! Akira had a crush on Maya? I thought they were cousins

They are cousins. But according to Naoya, yes. That's part of why he gives Maya such a hard time and hates it when Akira pays too much attention to Maya.

perhaps because reality is different? although i do think that one's sexual orientation is to some extent can be fluid, it's much harder in reality for heterosexual people to find attraction to people of the same sex (although not impossible), so if this were realistic they'd remain close friends, not necessarily turning into lovers, and that actually wouldn't be a sad ending

It is actually very funny that people want a yaoj manga not to progress into a yaoi story.....lol

Too bad we’re reading fiction, right?

Well, most great fiction are actually those that don't follow reader's expectations though

A lot of great fiction use cliché, actually. Sometimes a bold choice isn't the best option to pick. It's probably too much to ask a BL romance novel to stay as friends.

because we want a unique plot. I've read a similar plot before. I still like this story though.

They're not going to stop being friends when they're lovers, y'know. (￣∇￣")

It could be nice if this were a super slow burn. That the crush remained a crush but it helped the gay character grow and learn that he is worthy of basic human kindness. And then a new love interest pops up. Maybe a new coworker or something that gets jealous of the friendship. And after a handful of misunderstandings the coworker confesses.

yes, ofc, but sometimes we like to see a different plot where maybe they gain strength/courage/healing in a platonic friendship and find other love interests.

Again, i'm not against the Mc's ending up together. I actually do like this story. I'm just explaining to OP why people want them to be just friends.

Yes, as plenty of you have said before. The 'unique plot' everyone's been hoping because they don't want the same old predictable plot line. It's easier to find those not in BL, but in places like seinen or close to that genre. People put too much hopes for this story.

It went from "man fukami's such a nice friend getting him away from the abusive bf" > "does he have to be the LI? can't we get a supportive platonic friendship instead???" > "actually, y'know what, maybe it'd be nice if they didn't get together and went their separate ways so miya can find another guy". Wouldn't that make him a supportive side character instead of the main "lead"? I thought people came here for the romance.

He could be a lead without being a love interest. There is a bl manga on here about a responsible little brother having to deal with his older brothers antics and love interest.

Link me, mate. Sounds interesting.

Ah, forgot to mention. That'd make him the main character instead of the lead, right?

Sure thing!

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aniki_ga_koi_wo_hirotte_kimashita/

Just a warning, it will make you want to adopt the little brother more than root for the BL couple tho lol. And who knows the little bro might get his own relationship. He needs love either way.

Yeah I guess so? Because he wouldn't be the "romantic lead" then?

Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to check it out.
And yes, he wouldn't be the romantic lead.

To my understanding, in a BL comic--- MC is the main character, ML is the lead love interest, side characters are the supporting cast. If we have the straight friend (A) as the person who is spectating their gay friend (B) and helping them in their endeavor, that'd still make B and their love interest the actual MC and ML because the main focus isn't the friendship between A and B but rather an outsider's perspective of B and the LI's story. However, if B is the main character, then A would simply be part of the supporting cast.

If A and B are the protagonist and the secondary protagonist respectively, their friendship would be the focus of the story, completely changing the narration. It wouldn't be BL, a romance between two guys. It would be about the camaraderie and hardships they face. Basically, you can have an LGBT relationship in a non-BL story. It's just not sold as a BL manga because it's not what the plot revolves around.