
Can I ask a serious question and I'm open to ALLLLLLLLLL types of feedback and made sure to allow anonymous responses
Why do some people think that having low self esteem is that person's fault? I see comments like "well he should have just spoken up" or "joowon's that way cuz haesoo let him be that way you cant blame him"
Like dont get me wrong its obviously not the way to live but wouldn't you want that person to want to love themselves and better themselves after taking it for so long ? Instead of criticizing his actions while he's trying to figure out his own journey and his own way to love himself and have a better view of himself. You cant expect haesoo to have such respect for himself when his older brother (please remember that joowon technically is supposed to be his older brother and most people take guidance from older siblings)basically taught him that he ain't shit...

I feel the same of myself now but when I was a teenager I didn't understand the severity of what was being done to me if I was being disrespected or taken advantage of to think it was bad until I got a bit older. I don't think we should condemn haesoo for doing what SOME teens usually do in their first relationships which is settle with things for the person they like. The problem to me is as he kept settling everything joowon did to him made him feel more and more worthless. He is learning now that he shouldn't have to take that treatment and now that he's standing up for himself I actually seen ppl call him a passive aggressive bitch for confusing joowon or not letting joowon go down on him. Also you dont have 0 self esteem if you have that mentality. Give yourself more credit you value yourself more than you think!

Yeah, even if my answer was like that I don't think I can judge H, especially since he was a little boy.
Anyway...I don't think that J is the bad guy here, just like I don't think H is.. I don't think H is a victim too. I really do think J love him and didn't tell him to justify himself in front of the mother and because he thinks H just love playing with other guys on a whim and loves him too. I think in J perspective he even is the forgiving one. XD We will see but I'm sure I'm right about this thing..

So ... Taku has freckles. (⊙…⊙ )I'm extra swoon. I have a thing for beauty marks or freckles on the face. Haesoo and Taku give me what I need ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Had to focus on something other than the sadness. I'm two steps away from getting a tub of ice cream and crying. Wayyyyy toooo relatable. This manhwa is a work of art.

Wow like I'm one for getting along but now ppl acting over the top with this. Now we can't disagree or not like a character cuz that's toxic? How do guys function in the real world when ppl don't agree with you? A discussion is going to have difference of opinions and downvotes. Ya acting like ppl really sending death threats or some crazy shit. Which actually happens in some mangas with a love triangle. (Domestic girlfriend)It's not that big ya dont like the taku party downvoting then downvote ya damn self.Shit ya dont like this comment send all the downvotes my way I'll take it with a smile.

I don't agree with how the mom reacted but I can't blame her either. When they first got introduced to each other they hated each other now she's caught them twice once having sex and this time about to kiss. What joowon said hurt haesoo but it also hurt haesoo's mom. He just basically said hes just fucking around with her son. Notice that she asked are you guy's dating. And idc what know one says they started doing this just to do something they wasn't supposed to not cuz they liked each other at first so they were doing something wrong and joowon tells his stepmother not to overreact ... now you know he wrong cuz y'all wouldn't tell your mother to not over react. I dont like that she basically threatened to kill herself that was fucked up but it does show her emotional state cuz I'm pretty sure she just realized her marriage is over
Also notice how she said "we" and "our" the father knew.... that makes the latest raw chapter even more fucked up in my opinion

I disagree, she just seen something traumatic happen, not only once but twice. You can't blame her for saying something like that after what she just seen and coming to the conclusion that her marriage is over. We know she's still alive and maybe at the time, she did think about killing herself and yeah, it would have been Jowoon and Heasoo's fault. Just like it's their fault that their parents are divorced.

There's no reason to kill yourself but you can't blame her for saying that. Trauma happen all the time and people become depressed and kill themselves. It happens, you can say that her saying that doesn't add up but it does. It's gross for her son and stepson to be having sex and it to be alluded that your stepson is doing this soley to fuck with your son and fuck your marriage. She doesn't even seem to be upset that her son is gay, it's the fact he's sleeping with her stepson. She has every right to feel this way.

In my first post I did say I dont agree but I cant BLAME her. I can't agree solely for the reason that I have had family members commit suicide and I e seen how other family members blamed themselves and fall into depression and live a very sad life. Now sometimes yes it would be the person's fault but in this case to me it really isnt that serious to traumatize your son with that. She can feel how ever she wants to feel but telling her son she would kill herself is uncalled for. Cuz now he feels that his sexual desire for his step sibling will be the cause of his mom killing herself. Now he has guilt for even feeling horny for him which is not anyone's fault. A desire isnt anyone's fault.
& I agree it has nothing to do with being gay I never got the sense she was homophobic

Telling you son that you're going to kill yourself is not uncalled for if you seen them have sex and make out twice. You're more hung up on her saying that she would kill herself and telling Heasoo that versus what made her say and feel that way. This is a cause and effect, if they weren't doing what they were doing, the mom wouldn't have had a mental breakdown and said that.

I literally said I cant blame her. Meaning I understand why she feels that way and even why she did it. I can't agree with it because it was in the form of a threat and if you wanna talk cause and effect haesoo can also feel so guilty that he can kill himself just like she can. Having sex with your sibling or step sibling is wrong definitely and traumatic it's just unfortunate that more trauma had to come because of it. Not just the moms but haesoo's as well cuz look how he turned out.

You know I just realized that this ship war is almost as bad as the domestic girlfriend ship war. We shouldn't be like that. Lets get along! It's just a story. Its one thing to express things about the character you prefer its a whole other thing to call real ppl names cuz they don't agree with you.

I just caught up today and I have to say this author is better than a lot of ppl realize. All the symbolism and indirect messages she puts in this story is amazing. I especially love the hot and cold conversation that taku and haesoo had cuz you can look at haesoo being cold as his cold emotional state and him saying he was hot in this latest chapter as him finally feeling something awakening
Ok
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Ok when joowon said he couldn't feel sympathy for his character wouldn't that imply that even if Haesoo talked to joowon about how he feels he wouldn't really care or worse blame it on Haesoo for not feeling the same way anymore?
Also when joowon said "i really wish you'd die so you cant go anywhere" that was ..... Wow so we not going to talk about that? We all going to act like we wouldn't run for the hills if someone said that during sex or any moment in life?
I allowed anonymous replies for anyone who wants to comment about the story not no fanwar bullshit please.
This ch shows how Joowon is really unstable. I really cant imagine him leting Haesoo move on or living without him. I am starting to fear the outcome of this story.
No We dont run away from sex
Some people have kinks and Your partner enjoy what you do You do worse
Like Do you see any discomfort from H
NO They were enjoying
Calm down and dont make everything bigger
First of all please don't tell me to calm down because I'm over here relaxing. This is showing joowon's mindset. You telling me that telling someone they wish they would die during sex is just a kink? Obviously haesoo dont like it cuz if he did he would still be with joowon and not conflicted about all his feelings. His an emotional mess and you dont think being talked to like that didnt contribute even if Haesoo just let it rock?
& I know I been feeling the same way something is definitely going to happen and I'm sure its going to be a train wreck ┗( T﹏T )┛
Bu Heasoo is masochist in fact
yes If partner is letting slide, We as third person have to slide to.
You are over exaggeration things
H never complain about how they have sex.
There is kinks and You dont need the understand
Obviously not that much of a masochist if he's having an emotional break down because of all of this? If anything I interpret him having to feel pain when he has sex with joowon as a punishment cuz he feels guilty for what happened to his mom and step father. He doesn't need to be in pain with every single person he has sex with.
We can agree to disagree
But it looks like he enjoys some pain during sex?
But ot looks like he enjoys some pain during sex?
"i really wish you'd die so you cant go anywhere" (⊙…⊙ )
I be very worry Joowon turning full blown yandere. He sometimes seems lowkey yandere anyway towards Haessoo.
From my understanding a masochist enjoys pain but it dosent effect them emotionally later they simply enjoy the pain... Haesoo does enjoy it but their is meaning to his enjoyment of the pain. & in present time was he not having an emotional break down? And did he not ask joowon why he walks all over him? He has told joowon no multiple times before so we cant keep saying haesoo wants all this anymore. Hes been vocal about it to the best of his abilities.
For real but apparently I'm overreacting ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
What is his abilities? Is He getting raped and dont fight back? Is he stop the sex but J force him? H isnt happy now, that can give him power the change past?
There is very disturbing ignorance to one character and People dare to call him mental because They dont like him
They have 9 year relationship and They never harm each other
You dont like him thats fine but You cant speculate J gonna harm H because of hate
That line, " I really wish you'd die so you can't go anywhere" gave me the chills.
Yep i'd run to the hills if someone says that to me.
It goes to show how overly-obsessed Joowon is with Haesoo and it is SCARY as hell. If he gets even the slightest clue that Haesoo won't take shit from him anymore, i dunno what will happen. I am really scared for Haesoo now.
(⊙…⊙ )
Have any thought maybe it a form of self harm. For ex. some victims of molestation/rape act promiscuous to fill in the void or try to understand what happen to themselves. I think in a past chapter Haesoo was trying to fill a void in him. Then everything you said in your post.
I don't think its a kink or about him enjoying it more like Joowon is dominant and him not listening to Haesoo. When Haesoo told him to not cum in him but did it anyway then smirk. The whole bj in the and Haesoo broke down crying remembering it.
Sorry, if it don't make senses.
Whoa .... When did i say that he's forcing him? I said that if he was 100% enjoying it all this time he wouldnt be a wreck now. & to me he has been vocal about not liking certain things. I am not saying he's getting raped. Please go somewhere with yourself ...
You not overreacting but I see that anon got triggered. lol
I understand exactly what you're trying to say and i do agree with you but i may be a little biased because I'm heavy into psychology.
I feel the same to some extent. Idk it just gives me a ominous vibe.
OMG he actually said thatI'm honestly worried Joowon might hurt Haesoo or hold him hostage. When he finds out that haesoo's moving on.
Yes he did in a flashback while they were having sex.
I feel like Joowon's feelings for Haesoo developed into some kind of obsession... if I can't have you nobody will and that he will be going full force on trying to pull that leash on when he finds out Haesoo is trying to escape him.
Please dont start any shipwars I'll have no problem deleting your comments. Lets talk about the chapter and the meaning to it. Please dont get offended if most of it is looking negative since what joowon said was negative... are we supposed to lie and say it sounds like sunshine and daisies?
You change the meaning of that sentences
J also said They can broke up if H wants ıts doesn't matter to him
Oh shit ya can heal eachother just dont get too addicted ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I changed the meaning of the sentence? (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
I even had a conversation with the person who translated it on ig and we both was iffy about what he said and she ships him with joowon ...
You should go ahead and delete troll comments before things get out of hand.
No, I'm scared. Will Joowon's love/obsession for Haesoo turn to hate? (Love or HATE)
I hope this manhwa won't turn too dark (ToT)
Did I miss something? ( ̄∇ ̄")Which chapter does J say that in? The line “I wish you’d die so you can’t go anywhere else”
Chapter 39 of the Korean chapers. Its not out yet in English
He might even turn yandere.
New raw ch 39.