From my response in a previous post "Well apart from this being a yaoi-tale the seme was the one that saved him 5 years ago. Also yes in realistic terms therapy is the correct course, but in fantasy-yaoi-erotic land the seme through sex tryied to disassociate his pleasure from the event and his guilds. He also try to convey that sex is tender and lovable not violent and crude. So if we go for a realistic approach we would have a manga about a boy going to the psychologist for many therapy sessions. Not a very interesting one (for a comic) and definitely not a yaoi one. Also a lot of comments try to shove realism into an impossible scenario. He WAS A SPIRIT. Even the mangaka had the seme saying when he was in his body "I am flesh now, so I cannot touch you if it will freak you out". You read so one-dimensionally. We cannot speak so casually of realism and logic in a story about a floating spirit of a commatose patient". So yes boys & girls in real life therapy is the solution, but I have no idea what if a spirit is involved, that is a game changer. Or in other words do not mix erotic fantasy with real life...
This is probably the realest comment i ever saw on this site. Preach.
Thank you! I really try not to get involved most of the times with comments that try to explain yaoi realistically but I am weak and I get triggered some times. Many people (due to age or ethnicity or background) think that this is an actual depiction of reality and not a simple erotic fantasy. Women have erotic fantasies (well maybe everyone) much more extreme than something that they would like to actual experience (rape, love with a ghost, a millionaire to love so much that will lock me in his basement). Nice erotic material, no no no in real life. There is realistic rapes in some yaoi (most of the times not by the seme) and I really do not like them, as I do not like forced prostitution. But apart from sex it is also (since the generic target group is females) a story about loving someone much that no human or ethical law will stop them. And me poor unloved creature like to read about it. No I do not want a stalker in real life. You must really speak yaoi and translate things you read here in what it means in real life (if you wish to do so).
I’m tired of the “seperate fictions and real life” argument. When irresponsible acts like what the spirit did in this manga is accepted, readers will gradually and unconsciously regards to it as “acceptable”. Your argument only works with outrageously immoral acts (incest, cannibalism...) where there is a clear line that says “This is not good. Don’t follow it”. Even if his method of fixing PTSD with a brand new dick works, his impatience and disregard to MC’s suffering are simply cold-hearted in nature and only invite new trauma (which obviously didn’t happen because of “fiction”).
Well if we start with the assumption "reading something at a manga gradually becomes acceptable" we completely lost. So what about sexuality? Every teenage boy harbors sexual attraction for their best friend? This is not an outrageous act, so it will gradually change our view (or of teenage boys?). No I do not think so. And still you try to rationalize the acts of a spirit (!). Apart from this story of course I can find many manga that have a similar setting. No, I never thought that a lover can cure such an issue with gentle sex. The story just make the average reader happy because it has sex and a happy ending for the poor mc. Personally I hate stories that the abuse is happening "now" and not at the distant past and I avoid them. For past trauma I understand that this is a fairy tale about love changes and cures. Much more romantic than the actual "therapy changes and cures". If I want to dissect the yaoi genre every time the main couple said "I love you for ever" I would start be thinking "oh no, you do not know each other so well, maybe your feelings will change, this is not real life". I KNOW IT IS NOT. These are fairy tales. Love is not magical, there is not a soulmate out there for anyone, the handsome millionaire prefers top models and not me, sex does not last 12 hours. But I read it so that for a while I dream that love is magical, sex lasts 12 hours, someone loves me more than his life, and love can cure and solve everything
@pidapipo this is like how helicopter parents don't let their kids see or know about anything to protect them from the whole world and those kids end up easily scared and weak, while children that are actually allowed to play in the dirt or watch tv or eat fast food once in a while grow up mentally and physically stronger. I think humans are intelligent enough to seperate fictional comic books from the real world.
What? Lol please no. You are reading too far. Did I say meh stuff like this manga should be burnt for portraying an unhealthy approach to mental wellness? They exist for a reason, but the OP is trying to make excuse for their shittiness instead of just calling it trash like what it actually is.
You contradict yourself constantly. You agree that this is cheap fantasy and then you criticize it for not being scientific accurate and elaborating on correct procedures concerning a psychological trauma. It's like ordering a 3$ burger from McDonald's and complaining that this is not black Angus meat or freshly baked traditional bread. We know, it's freaking McDonald's! Most people know the difference between McDonald's food and a homemade food or the food of a good restaurant. But ok we want to eat a big Mac from time to time, no harm done. And it is annoying to sit next to me and analyze "ok this is cheap with minimal nutrition value". OMG really!?
I can accept that McDonald exists for a reason and still say it’s cheap stuff that is mostly harmful for you. Duh. I have my right to say that. You are complaining that people say bad things about McDonald even when you know it’s bad yourself.
Oh these 2 bitches (mother and aunt)! But the blonde second cousin (Takahashi) was a good man and he helped a lot.
at least the aunt seems to care about her own son (the seme) but the uke's bitchy mother does everything for her own gain. I don't like either women but one sucks a lot more than the other
Ok if he was forcing someone to stay for years with him due to his illness I would be the first one to say that he is a little bitch. But he was dying and he knew it. He just "stole" a few months. He was a 16 year old kid afraid. He tried to come close to the person he loved before he died. And he even had regrets about it. Yes you do not guild-trip someone to have an affair with you but he was young, immature and dying. So I think we can give him a break, as the couple did at the end (is anyone here old enough to remember Candy Candy, the story with Terry and that bitch that saved Terry but lost the ability to walk and so Terry stayed with her out of guild although he loved Candy? Girl you do not keep someone with you out of guild, and when we help someone we do not expect payment. Now that girl I really despised and never felt sorry for her)
I agree. It also helps that they never had sex. That would've been too twisted and I wouldn't be able to be so understanding of Aoi if they did.
First of all the contact specifies that he is not to sleep with others (so that he can make sure that he will not be sold to others)? But then why sign a contract? The seme said that he doesn't believe in love so he cannot have a lover so he forms a contract instead like they are business partners. I am scared that maybe they are hidden traps in that "partnership". And most of us would tell him to sod off. But he is in love with him and also lived his whole life in loneliness and poverty. Do not underestimate the power not of money but of security. To not have to struggle every day alone. To feel that someone takes care of you. Well if you ask me how I would like for this to end is that uke agrees, seme have him as per. Uke get a hold of some money and disappears (tired of seme). Seme cannot live without him, but cannot press him anymore to anything and he has to either change or stay without him. And then have to face him having a loving relationship with someone else. I really wish for this boy to have first of all financial security and then become happy.
One of the best ending's
Ok, now i reaaaaaaaally hope the author think the same as you, it sounds like an amazing plot *-*
The Seme is a good and ethical man. Circumstances made him think that the uke was a sluty salesman who bribes his potential partners with his body. When he realized that this was not the case and it was pure inexperience and naivety and desperation he even blamed him self and apologize. Also he is helping not only with the new offices, but by giving advices (create an hierarchy so that the main company will respect them) and boosting his trust in himself (by clearing the subject on why they were chosen). Director you are my dream business partner and husband . #foreveralone
Very well put! Like it(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
...(my mother had surgery) so that update help me a lot (passing time and keep my mind busy). While in general I am not a fan of babies in yaoi this is ok. But there is an issue that when the kid will be 22 the parents will be of the same age. Well that is vampire life I guess. I am rooting for Hwagok to become a vampire so that Yibin will not lose his love.
Oh just to add, the reason I said I do not like babies in Yaoi is not something stupid as "ah a child with 2 dads is no good" or something like that. I guess it is because every couple that I saw in real life that had a baby lost their sex drive due to fatigue and exhaustion (if you are not rich enough to hire help). That's why in my mind baby is sleepless nights, vomiting, laundry and other things that are really adorable but not sexy (yaoi -> my sexy fantasies)
It is an amazing manga (on drawing level)