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He's still a student. If he leaves he might as well forfeit all that hard work.

Damn, this is a long ass comment~

The difference between Ezekiel, and Claude and Lucas, is that Jeannette is Ezekiel's family. His little sister, who atleast at this point should come first.

Am I missing something? Did some profound magical love blossom between Ezekiel and Athy that he's ready to so coldly tell his sister, his family, that she essentially is not really as important anymore. Unprompted?

Was Jeannette asking Ezekiel to choose right that moment? She was expressing her love for Athy too. He could've just agreed and moved on. What was the point of making Jeannette feel inferior?

Athy's a crush. Jeannette is his family. She has loved him as a brother all her life. What was the need for being so uneccessarily rude. The boy is ready to go against his kid sister for a crush? Lol priorities.

( I get the point that the author wanted to make a comparison btw Lucas being rude to the boy and him becoming a villain and Ezekiel being rude to Jeannette, doesn't mean we can't judge him).

I think there’s been a misunderstanding. Ezekiel never said that Jeanette wasn’t important to him but that his most important person is Anthy. And he was saying his feelings for anthy wasn’t familial like it is for Jeanette. Why is him telling her about his feelings going against his “sister“?

Ahh I see why you thought that. In the raws Jeanette says”I see you feel the same as I do” and Ezekiel replies after a long pause “the feelings I have towards the princess differs from you”

Ezekiel didnt even said that Jennette is nothing to him. He's just being honest and why would Jennette feel inferior when the guy he treated as brother likes someone? My brother also told me that the girl he likes is the most important person in his life but I didnt get offended because why should I? I'm not competing with his girl and I know even when he said that, I'm still important to him because I am his family and romantic love and familial love are DIFFERENT. Why would Jennette be offended and feel inferior, unless she's seeking attention from anyone to the point she wants to be the top priority and she also likes Ezekiel.

Jennette herself is ignorant that's why Ezekiel told her that. This is a chance for Jennette to learn about the world, it's either she will support it or become jealous and realize her feelings (if she really likes Ezekiel).

“the feelings I have towards the princess differs from yours” (sorry, typo)

That's why I said 'AS important' not just important.

Reading last chapters, we saw Ezekiel and I think he has some plans to go against his father. If I was Ezekiel, I would also go against my father because who wants to be forced to marry someone who you treated as sibling? Who wants to see the one they like hurt by their father's greed...

The last time he obey his father's order and chooses Jennette (1st life and Lovely Princess) he become Jennette's fiancee and he saw Athy getting killed by his father because of his fiancee...

Where did 'I' say that Jeannette means nothing to Ezekiel? I said 'essentially not AS important'. Like - she was important before, she's not so much anymore. This is him unnecessarily placing her on a hierarchy. That is why Jeanette would feel inferior.

Ezk (let's call him this), isn't just casually telling his sister that there's a girl he likes. He really uneccessarily hammers in that his feelings for Jeannette are different from the ones he has for Athy. Nothing wrong with having a crush. But why uneccessarily point out that the crush is more important? Did anyone ask?

Jeannette says, 'I wish we could use magic so that we could do more than just sitting around.' Ezk agrees, and Jeannette says, 'Ah you feel the same as me!', as in you also agree that we could do more to help the princess, and help ourselves if we could do magic. Who and where did anyone say that his feelings for Jeannette and Athy are the same? Why did he feel the need to go on a tangent?

This is a fictional story. How 'you' would feel if your brother brought home a girlfriend is not the same.

Also, Jeannette herself is ignorant to what? Ezk's personal profound feelings for a girl he has met a handful of times? Ezk, is ignorant of Jeannette's feelings of not feeling like a part of the White family. There's an entire flashback about how she feels like an outsider, and how Mr.White treated Ezk and Jeanette differently, even though they are supposedly both his children.

So if Jeannette just doesn't gracefully accept being placed on a hierarchy second to his brother's crush she is attention seeking? What? She has placed second all her life. To Ezk first for Mr.White, to Athy for Claude and now Ezk. Her snapping and starting to feel jealous is but justified.

What is Jeannette supposed to learn about the world from this, I'm curious.

Also, and this is a personal opinion, so we can agree to disagree on this, but to me Ezk's feelings just feel, shallow. Why does he love Athy to such a huge extent? What's the reason that she's THE most important person to him? I think the author could've done a job explaining this better and I would've probably had an easier time accepting it.

He told Jennette that because he knows that Jennette still dont know that he likes Athy romantically. As I've said, Jennette is still ignorant to the things hence why Ijekiel said that.

Okay maybe he is putting Jennette below the hierachy but that is because he knows that his dad is planning something and he might use Jennette which will hurt Athy. His father is also important to Ijekiel but it doesnt mean that he will tolerate his dad and side with him. I'm just saying that Ijekiel might be prepared to go against them (and that might hurt Jennette in the process) because what his dad is doing is bad and greed.

And I'm speculating that there might be different reason why he said that. I said that they might be promised when they are children that's why he felt the need to said that he likes Athy and he even said sorry.

Lastly, I said that because some people thinks that Jennette likes Ijekiel romantically and Ijekiel hurt her by romantically rejecting her which is why I am refuting that by saying that they only seen each other as sibling.

I agree. Him wanting to protect Athy makes sense. Not wanting her to suffer as a result of his father's greed also makes sense. What doesn't make sense, is how he is okay with Jeannette getting hurt if it protects Athy. That's why the 'Sorry Jeannette'. He should be protecting both, as difficult as it might be. That's what he's supposed to do as a brother and as someone who claims to love Athy. Jeannette shouldn't be acceptable collateral damage.

He doesn't know anything about their first lives. So he's not basing his decisions on past outcomes.

Yeah because why do you need to be the number one in your brother's life? Jennette herself already said that she wants to be where she belong, and that is Claude and Athy's family. She already knows that she doesnt belong to Mr. White and Ijekiel so why would she be jealous when Ijekiel told her that Athy is most important? It's just my opinion but when he said that Athy is the most important person in my life, it just strucks me differently. It just how some people romantically talk but it doesnt mean that they are putting their family second. Idk if you get what I mean. I cant seem to explain it. I mean they are talking about romantic love there but why do Jennette need to feel hurt unless she wants to be loved romantically by Ijekiel. And why did he said sorry? That's why I have so many speculations...

What is Jennette supposed to learn? Jennette is naive, she might like Ijekiel in a romantic way but it isnt just seen for now because it is focused on family, so it might be a chance to learn that.

I agree in your last paragraph, Idk yet why does he seem to like Athy that much

1. Jeannette NEVER said that she wanted to come first in Ezk's life. That's the whole point. EZEKIEL unnecessarily told her that she didn't come first. Causing uneccessary hurt.

2. Jeannette is Mr. White's adopted daughter and Ezekiel's adopted sister. She deserves to feel like a part of the family. She doesn't. She notices the differences in the way Mr. White treats her, as a tool, and the way he treats Ezk, as a son. This is especially atrocious because Mr. White has told her that she has a different "real family". Even when Claude is not her real father and Athy is not her real sister.

So Jeannette doesn't really mind not feeling like a part of the White family, even though she deserves to, because she thinks that she will finally have genuine love from her " real family" once they come to learn the truth. Which will not happen. Setting her up to failure and bitter disappointment. That's what I meant that not Jeannette, it is EZEKIEL who's oblivious to Jeannette's feelings. He can see Athy's hurt, why can't he see his sister's?

3. I've already mentioned the reasons I think Jeannette would feel hurt by Ezk's remarks, and imo, the hurt would be warranted.

4. I think he said sorry, as in, " I love Athy not you, sorry if you thought differently."
Or like, " Sorry Jeannette if my actions hurt you in the future, but please understand that Athy is my most important person, and I need to protect her."
Or, simply just, "Your feelings for Athy and My feelings for Athy are different. Sorry if you misunderstood."

It is possible that I could be wrong about his sorry, but to me this is what it looks like.

Finally, you said you didn't understand the hate for Ezk. I wouldn't say I hate Ezk. I don't even dislike him. I was trying to explain why some of us don't agree with his actions in this chapter, and why we find him doing what he did to Jeannette cruel.

Lastly, it was also meant to be perceived as cruel (imo) because the writer was drawing a comparison in Lucas being cruel to the child and Ezk being cruel to Jeannette.

I agree. I just perceived Ezk saying 'Athy is his most important person' as a way most romantic people say because their topic is about romantic love, not familial love. I'm not denying that what he said is kind of unnecessary and also hurt Jennette is some way but I just think that he is just being honest and I am refuting what people thought; they thought that Ijekiel is rejecting Jennette romantically and that Jennette likes Ezk because I honestly dont see Jennette liking Ezk romantically, at least not for now. And I agree that they are being blind to Jennette's struggles and feelings, I mean if they are totally normal siblings, I think that sentence wouldnt hurt Jennette. 4. I also thought about that though I am more leaning to the side that they have are promised or some kind of promise when they are children (because there is a flashback) hence why he said sorry. When I said that that I dont understand the hate, it is because they are kinda being biased. I mean they hate Ezk but not Lucas and Claude.

Hmmm... Really? For me, from what I understand is that he is kinda rejecting her in a sense that he told Jeanette that he is interested in the princess in a romantic way. So like in a sense I feel like he knows or think that jennette might have feelings for him? Because if that's not the case I don't think he really needed to tell her that his like for her is different from jennette. So like I feel like he is rejecting her in a romantic sense

Even I as a reader dont even know if Jennette romantically like Ijekiel so I assumed that Ijekiel have never also thought that Jennette might like her and also he just see Jennette as his sibling who is still dont know anything in the world, including romance love. And also Jennette is so focused to her supposed 'family' and she is just 14 or what, so for me I dont think she likes Ijekiel in that sense, maybe in the future or she might like him now unconsciously but we just dont see because the story is about Athy.

And also Jennette doesnt know that Ijekiel likes Athy romantically thats why she misunderstood, she thought that Ijekiel also see Athy the way she thinks of Athy hence why Ijekiel told her that they both love Athy in different way.

We've also seen Ijekiel confronting his dad and his plan that's why I think when he said that 'Athy is the most important person in my life', I just speculate that he must have a plan and him telling that means Jennette is not her priority. Idk maybe it is just me because I dont see them romantically together. Not for now since Jennette is still a child. And Ijikiel rejecting Jennette, I dont want to imagine that as a romantic rejection because I dont think Ijikiel knows that the girl he treated as a sibling likes him unless ofc Jennette told him that she likes him romantically. Even Jennette herself didnt even imagine about Ijekiel liking Athy romantically, so I think she doesnt even know and think about that...

Ohh cause like in their past life they were engaged so like I thought she might have subconsciously liked him. But I think u make more sense lol

It feels like its been a long time since I read a story where the mc and ml actually spend some time bonding together instead of a stupid time skip that just jumps us into their relationship. This was very refreshing to see their awkward times together.

the first few times he is trying to escape, see my post above this one. The last couple of times, he's not trying that hard. What would be the reason? Either the sex is getting better, or he has no choice-he's being blackmailed. maybe both. This last time, ch14 if that's not the final blow before something turns it around, I don't know what is.

For those who had read the novel they know that she Is a little bit sketchy, and you cant really tell if she Is inocente or plain stupid or manupulative or a psychopath... buuuuuut i get your point she havent dont anything bad besides having trash, the thing that not even rats would eat for a dad and a poor excuse of man as an "uncle" AND the fact that she was raised to belive she is claude's daugther isnt her fault so we cant really blame a CHILD for bealiving what she Is told.

Is like we bealiving that a fat man in a red bright suit come down the fireplace to leave us presents, i mean how stupid that sound but we still bealive because the people around us TOLD US that it was like that. Is the same with Janette

Sorry didnt mean to leave a long answer (￣∇￣")

I think most people don't like her because if the circumstances. Claude lost his memory and Jeanette can take away his love from Athy. Fans are basically being careful and jealous for Athy ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Claude is a horrible, broken man for not loving both daughters EQUALLY. Jeanette is in Anthy’s old situation, the roles are merely switched.

Jeanette isn't even his daughter why in hell should he love her the same as Athy (〜￣△￣)〜

But Claude THOUGHT she was his daughter at one point, right? Regardless if she's his daughter or not anyway, no child deserves to be treated so coldly. Not Anthy, not Jeanette. I said what I said.

Nah, he knew it all along that Jeanette's not his. Your point is true though, he shouldn't be cold to a child

Nope that happened in the novel as far as the story goes now there was no mention of Jeanette to Claude yet so to him she's not related only Athy knows so it doesn't make any sense to me that he would treat her like a daughter at all ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Fine, he doesn’t have to treat her like a daughter. But can you justify him treating a CHILD this way? Oh come on, when you have kids that can’t swim and they fall into a river, I would hope someone UNRELATED to them would help . The thing missing here is compassion. Idk why ur trying to justify this. He doesn’t have to love her but damn it took athy begging him to have him lift his hand to save her smh.

isn't he a tyrant - ish king though? why would he care about some random girl drowning

Omg!! Finally, someone who brought this up like srsly, this already tells that most reader here just plainly cares just for Athy and have no what so ever remorse for almost anyone. Like I am so surprised on why there is little to none on hate for the whites or claude. Like it was shown in the novel, athy past life that she was killed by her own dad even before she was proven guilty like what kind of men is that? He calls himself an Emperor yet act like a selfish bastard that value people's lives of an insect, killing them or threatening as he please. Just because jennette ain't his child whatsoever have no excuse for his shitty behaviour. In fact, those who are so caring and defensive for athy should equally hate Claude and Mr white, why? Because claude who killed athy and white who still causing this shitty drama for his unquenchable greed ain't getting any shit from the readers. But nope you can clearly see who just hating on her because she is the second female lead that they view as a threat even though the manga clearly shows who the hell is the main culprit. This chapter just shows how much of a trash claude is, remember he killed all the people in the jewel palace cuz his love of his life died? Pathetic.Although i do understand his circumstances but can't believe he stoop this low and more unbelievable that some praise and glorified that Claude didn't want to save jennette lol. Srsly this is just sad.

sorry i down voted ┗( T﹏T )┛ You brought up an interesting point with that parallel. in short people only ever want to see the protagonists side of things and want to willfully remain ignorant of anything else that would possibly put more grey into the situation and make more then one character sympathetic?

Yup exactly

Yep, sure the same went for Athy right? Remember in the earlier chapters where he took his silly time before saving her? That was the EXACT same position jennette was just in. My point still stands. He is a cruel broken man.

Lol, y'all forgetting that the first thing we learned about him was that he killed his own daughter (now Athy again) and felt no remorse even after learning she was innocent? For a daughter her, learns later (before he kills Athy) that is not his own?

I started this cuz you said Claude have to treat both "daughters" equally. And as I previously said he doesn't have to and that's that. Your later point stands but my point stands too ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Uhhh wrong person. I never said that