realistically the best thing sooyoung can do is just run the f outta there (idk if he can cuz of his dad's debt). but if he does end up with someone, whoever he ends up with, i just hope this man's happy like I haven't seem him really smile in the last 20 chapters, goddamn. also i want more minhyuk screentime - i feel like there's a lot about him we don't know about yet and he's def. the most interesting character in this webtoon for me.
so basically all the men(Johannes, Nora's dad, the emperor) loved the empress. and besides the fact that Johannes made a 16 year old his wife and gave her the heavy and unfair responsibility of raising his kids, isn't it kinda icky that he chose a young girl who resembled the girl he loved??? Idk man poor Shuli she got the short end of the stick in life.
yeah I guess life in this story must've been hard
I feel as though life would've been harder if she didnt go along with Johannes, her family didnt seem like they treated her well and could've just sold her to even worse ppl
yeah man women just have it rough in these stories. I feel for all protagonists of these historical stories cuz I wouldn't survive them at all . it turned out ok for shuli, but it could've been just as worse if johannes had bad intentions.
Ironically, Shuli too caught the attention of three men - Nora, the cardinal priest and the crown prince.
who knows, maybe in some world or reality, you were in a similar situation and came out badassヾ(☆▽☆)
this makes me happy aww. instead in my life rn i'm just a student drowning in homework and exams and uses this website as an escape mechanism
Johannes' deceased wife doesn't look anything like Shuli. Maybe you mean the emperor's wife?
Johannes was in love with the empress. I forgot where it was mentioned or if it's a commonly known spoiler tho.
ohhh, not sure if it was mentioned before. that's... very weird then, Johannes. Thanks for telling me!
yeah ofc!
that kiss gave me more butterflies than half the sex scenes i've read in other BLs.
so basically jiwook feels insulted/embarrassed that the guy he was tutoring turned out to be the #1 rank all along. So he feels like Seungeon was playing him like a fool? Someone correct me if I'm wrong cuz I'm still a little unsure about ch 24's ending.
i wish minhyuk comes back :(((( my fav moments in this webtoon are his and sooyoung's moments (just when they talk, laugh, and are cute with each other). i just feel like they have more chemistry than Taesung. like I dont even know why Taesung and sooyoung like each other, they had no real moments at all
Yeah. I really missed that intimate moment when Minhyuk assaulted Sooyung when he was unconscious or that when he imagined how arousing it would be to see Sooyung writhing in pain as he fucks him. That moment felt so real.
Yeah him sexually assaulting Sooyoung was fucked up, and if they get together, I hope Minhyuk comes clean to him and apologizes. For the pain in sex thing, I'm pretty sure its only sex-related (he likes being dominant in sex and its literally the same with Taesung as well). It obviously pained him seeing Sooyoung get stabbed by a dagger, and he didn't get off to it. But both male leads are fucked up - Taesung knowingly almost let Sooyoung get killed just so he could have him all to himself and isolate him. He was involved in his dad's death but doesn't tell Sooyoung as well. I'm pretty sure threatening to break ur partner's body parts if they get hurt isn't a healthy relationship either. Sooyoung only stays in Taesung's apartment and doesn't talk to anyone except him either. This is a dark webtoon with fucked up characters - it's not supposed to show healthy relationships. I just like Minhyuk and Sooyoung's lighthearted relationship and want to see it again, and I think they have much better chemistry.
Yeah lol, Taesung loves rough sex but Minhyuk like sadistic sex. Quite a huge difference there and it's not literally the same.
Sure, he threatened him, which really contrasts with his actions i.e. Taesung has never been physically abusive towards Sooyung.
Yeah you missed a lot of points/details about this manhwa. You have to be blind to think that there's nothing going on with Taesung and Sooyung. That or you just have Minhyuk filter in your eyes. I'm betting on the latter.
Oh yeah, a lot of people really don't care much either about how physically and sexually abusive he was with Dohyun
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I'll admit I do like Minhyuk much better than Taesung from the beginning. I noticed all the Taesung/Sooyoung moments, but they never rly clicked with me the same way Minhyuk/Sooyoung moments did. Honestly this is just a preference thing. Taesung's not physically abusive but he's just as toxic in another way as I've mentioned all above - it goes beyond just threatening. I'm not arguing against you cuz I agree he's fucked up- I'm just saying Taesung is equally as messed up, too which alot of readers don't acknowledge.
"I'll admit I do like Minhyuk much better than Taesung from the beginning. I noticed all the Taesung/Sooyoung moments, but they never rly clicked with me the same way Minhyuk/Sooyoung moments did."
Because you prefer and like Minhyuk more. That's why.
"I'm just saying Taesung is equally as messed up, too which alot of readers don't acknowledge."
Lol, literally that's what the comment section is filled with. It's Minhyuk's messed up ness that doesn't really get much acknowledgement. And no, he's not equally messed up, he's messed up but not in equal terms.
Girl we can agree to disagree on the last part - I think they are messed up on equal terms - they way they express their toxicity is just different. Also, I do prefer and like Minhyuk more because I think his personality and his moments with Sooyoung are cute - I don't really see the point you're tryna make with this.
But did he actually penetrated him? I mean, still fucked up but I remember Min asking Sooyoung to say his name, then he'll put it in. It seemed like Intercrural sex because Sooyoung ended up saying Taesung's name.
Either way ... I'm with OP with this. I wanna say Sooyoung and Min have really cute moments because of Min's weird personality shifts. That and he did say he regretted it after holding our little bean... AAAANNNDD lets not forget Min was the one who actually came to Sooyoung's rescue
I still have hopes for Taesung.... but he hella shady bruh. How dare him !!! how this asswipe let harm happen to the bean? Huh??!! I be mad as hell...
We can agree to disagree on the last part - I think they are messed up on equal terms - they way they express their toxicity is just different. Also, I do prefer and like Minhyuk more because I think his personality and his moments with Sooyoung are cute - I don't really see the point you're tryna make with this.
"But did he actually penetrated him?"
That's why I said assault instead of rape. Either way, penetration or no penetration, is it supoosed to be any better?
"AAAANNNDD lets not forget Min was the one who actually came to Sooyoung's rescue"
Uhhhhh, because Taesung ordered them to be there in the first place.
"How dare him !!! how this asswipe let harm happen to the bean? Huh??!! I be mad as hell..."
It was pretty obvious that the stabbing was unforeseen. I'm pretty sure Taesung doesn't really like seeing Sooyung getting hurt, I mean he made it very very clear, that and that one time he stopped having sex with Sooyung when he noticed Sooyung already passed out.
"But did he actually penetrated him?"
That's why I said assault instead of rape. Either way, penetration or no penetration, is it supoosed to be any better?
"AAAANNNDD lets not forget Min was the one who actually came to Sooyoung's rescue"
Uhhhhh, because Taesung ordered them to be there in the first place.
"How dare him !!! how this asswipe let harm happen to the bean? Huh??!! I be mad as hell..."
It was pretty obvious that the stabbing was unforeseen. I'm pretty sure Taesung doesn't really like seeing Sooyung getting hurt, I mean he made it very very clear, that and that one time he stopped having sex with Sooyung when he noticed Sooyung already passed out.
"I don't really see the point you're tryna make with this."
You won't. And you never will. It's pretty clear that you will adamantly side with Minhyuk no matter what happens.
bro ikr
i wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. i can't with PRETTY PRIVILEGE, people be trynna give Minhyuk a pass, forgetting the fact that he sexually assaulted sooyoung, and the fact that they're bringing up pretty absurd points just to defend their faves, like they be trying to make Taesung look like the villain here bc of his toxic attitude when in fact he's a goddamn MAFIA LEADER, and that his possessiveness is justifiable bc he has a lot of enemies, and if they get a hold of sooyoung they would use him as a hostage or smth ╮(￣▽￣)╭ kinda sad that most readers nowadays care about aesthetics and what's on the surface rather than actually digging into the the story more.
first of all wouldn't you say you're defending taesung the same way others defend minhyuk??? Saying he's a mafia leader to cover up all the rly toxic stuff he did, when minhyuk is also in the mafia, which probably explains his warped views of relationships and people in general. 2nd, everyone in this webtoon is hot af - idk what pretty privilege you'll are talking about when I'm just saying to me his personality is 100X more likeable and interesting than taesung, which is why I root for him.
Yeah you see that's the issue with you tho.
Taesung's has just been pretty much being manipulative. The thing he did with Sooyung was planned event although the stabbing was an unforseen consequence. Minhyuk on the other has done assault on an unconscious person, is two-faced, and was sexually and physically abusive to another person (this part is quite important but you people always sweep in under the rug or downplay it.)
Both are in the mafia but it's not hard to see which one has the worst transgressions.
Ikr. Taesung has displayed so much character and obvious clear fondness for Sooyunng but nahhhhhh, Minhyuk is such a gOoD guy.
They keep shoving that Taesung is messed up because he killed Sooyung's father, that he doesn't really care for it and that he's even keeping it a secret from Sooyung. Like did people skip chapters or something? It was shown that Taesung was deeply affected by the killing and even regrets it. It even implied that it was either an accident or that he was forced to kill him. He's keeping it a secret from Sooyung because he's afraid of how Sooyung will react.
They also keep shoving that Taesung planned to let Sooyung get killed like lol what? The stabbing was an unforeseen event. It was obvious. Sooyung was bound to get hurt, Taesung just saw that as an opportunity to make Sooyung stay with him on his own accord rather than forcing him to stay with him because Taesung knows if he does that, Sooyung will hate him.
I'm sorry, but it seems you're being hypocritical here since you are downplaying his actions. Taesung is being manipulative to the point he's hurting Sooyoung, and he's ok with doing it just as long as he has him to himself. I'm pretty sure killing people, cutting ppl's fingers and tongues, violence in general is bad but y'all are just downplaying it too saying that its ok. I've already acknowledged they both r messed up but my main point, which you never addressed, is the lack of real chemistry between Taesung and Sooyoung - which is what rly makes a relationship work. I don't even know why Taesung likes Sooyoung when it's very obvious why Minhyuk likes Sooyoung (his smile, the protectiveness, his kindness).
I'm sorry, but it seems you're being hypocritical here since you are downplaying his actions. Taesung is being manipulative to the point he's hurting Sooyoung, and he's ok with doing it just as long as he has him to himself. I'm pretty sure killing people, cutting ppl's fingers and tongues, violence in general is bad but y'all are just downplaying it too saying that its ok. I've already acknowledged they both r messed up but my main point, which you never addressed, is the lack of real chemistry between Taesung and Sooyoung - which is what rly makes a relationship work. I don't even know why Taesung likes Sooyoung when it's very obvious why Minhyuk likes Sooyoung (his smile, the protectiveness, his kindness).
"Taesung is being manipulative to the point he's hurting Sooyoung"
Lol why are you implying as if Taesung always beats up Sooyung or something.
"I'm pretty sure killing people, cutting ppl's fingers and tongues, violence in general is bad but y'all are just downplaying it too saying that its ok."
He was gonna cut off the fingers of Sooyung's abusive ex and he ordered to cut the tongue of the enemy mafia who stabbed Sooyung. All of those have quite good justifications. Lol, did you even read the chapters.
" is the lack of real chemistry between Taesung and Sooyoung"
Yeah this is more of your biased opinion rather than an oversight from us. I don't feel any magical chemistry from Minhyuk and Sooyung because it's one sided i.e. Sooyung doesn't really feel anything for Minhyuk and Minhyuk keeps putting up that facade of his.
"I don't even know why Taesung likes Sooyoung"
Because he likes his feistiness and that Sooyung reminds him of his younger self, trying hard to survive and fight against a shitty world. Seriously, did you skip chapters?
"when it's very obvious why Minhyuk likes Sooyoung (his smile, the protectiveness, his kindness)"
Also because he wanna fuck him because he got tired of Dohyun.
He isn't hurting him physically but mentally. Physical violence isn't the only way to ruin someone lmao. You are also using normal ppl standards for Minhyuk so I'm using normal people standards for Taesung. Normal ppl don't cut off people's fingers or resort to killing ppl, and the way ur just brushing it off as justifiable is funny to me. He also cut off the mafia's tongue because he didn't want him to tell the truth of Sooyoung's uncle to Sooyoung - it was extremely obvious.
Because he likes his feistiness and that Sooyung reminds him of his younger self, trying hard to survive and fight against a shitty world. Seriously, did you skip chapters?
I read the whole thing and I genuinely do not remember this. All i remember is angry sex, sex and manipulation. But pls let me know which chapter he says this, and I'll go back and reread it. Anyway even if this is why he fell for him,
Sooyoung's fiestiness and actual personality is slowly disappearing with Taesung. He's literally like a shell of who he was in the first chapter, which is why I don't like their relationship.
Also because he wanna fuck him because he got tired of Dohyun.
No. He genuinely fell in love with Sooyoung (ex. him saying that he misses Sooyoung, he likes his smile etc.), not just cuz he wanted another sex partner.
"He isn't hurting him physically but mentally"
Yeah lol, why are you implying as if Sooyung is getting mindfucked or something?
"Normal ppl don't cut off people's fingers or resort to killing ppl, and the way ur just brushing it off as justifiable is funny to me."
Lol, even if Minhyuk is a mafia, assault and sexual and physical violence to your partner is not a normal thing. Violence to your enemy is pretty much standard, but to your sex partner? Fuck no. Oh also, Minhyuk takes part in that violence as well, if you ever forgot, so even using "normal people standard" Minhyuk is not barely any better.
"Sooyoung's fiestiness and actual personality is slowly disappearing"
Lol, what even are you reading? His feistiness and personality is disappearing? Lol. His every feistiness and personality is what caused him to get stabbed in the first place. Why are saying as if Taesung is slowly wiping his personality or something? The things you're saying are getting more absurd and grossly exaggerated.
"He's literally like a shell of who he was in the first chapter,"
Omg Wut?? XD
"No. He genuinely fell in love with Sooyoung (ex. him saying that he misses Sooyoung, he likes his smile etc.)"
Suuure, but that still doesn't remove the fact that it's still one-sided. Sooyung doesn't feel anything from him.
Righttt
Minhyuk is as fucked up as the boss hello? Lmao
Ain't nobody good for the bottom to be honest
the excuses that you are willing to make for taesung just make your whole argument laughable, btw taesung was literally sexually abusive AND is also two faced and manipulative so.... kind of odd that you only single out the other seme for that loll
Lmao, that's rich coming from the people who has seemingly forgotten about Dohyun. I ain't making excuses sis, I'm just stating facts because it takes more than a pretty face for me to like/root for a character.
Pls you're defending Taesung like he's an good person lmao and then call us biased. He literally had sex with Sooyoung when he was clearly mentally instable after meeting his toxic ex and had sex with him to the point he passed out. He sexually harrasses him in their very first meeting he groped him and is sexually violent w/ him before. They don't draw the line where normal ppl would cuz they are all fucked up. You keep bringing Dohyun up, but first Minhyuk clearly is into rough sex, like Taesung - it doesn't constitute as sexual assault. The rough sex he and Minhyuk have is very similar to the sex Sooyung and Taesung had - esp. the first time they had it. Second, it's very clear what their relationship is - client and escort. In no way does he say that he likes him at all - they only have sex, that's it. It's not a romantic relationship, and Minhyuk has never had that before so you can't use Dohyun to compare to what'll happen to Sooyoung.
Like another commentor said, they're both fucked up and don't have the same rationality as normal ppl, which is why I don't use it otherwise no one could read dark BLs honestly. I'm just gonna continue rooting for Minhyuk and hope the author gives us more Minhyuk-Sooyoung interactions.
the tension between roxanna and dion is intense. kinda wish they weren't siblings rn （/TДT)/
Same
why does this woman get hotter and hotter every chapter my heart can't take it anymore.
God I hate myself for thinking this but why was the cardinal a little bit attractive here? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i hate myself so much now.
bruh i read this all in one sitting. I need a sexy, quiet, guy like Hajun in my life who reads poetry in his free time and speaks the dirtiest words with the calmest face.