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Bro you won’t find any here. This site is mainly for Asian comics, whose audiences are targeted towards their own Asian countries that have specific beauty standards. If you want to find diverse mc’s you need to go on apps like web/t0oN.

Let’s be honest. Asian comics have some that are about European characters or backgrounds, so the specific beauty standards you’re referring to include huge colorism and racism.

There should be more dark skinned characters, female or male, but you see more white characters in manga and webtoons.

That was literally my point lmfao. Asian beauty standards = pale characters. I just explained the reason why there’s more pale MCs and why there won’t be any big changes to that. Hence why I mentioned it’s up to the reader to choose and search for the types of stories they want to read, because you can’t control what an entire country does with their work.

Web/to0ns has authors who are from several different races, and has multiple different skin toned mcs. You just have to look for them. It doesn’t make any sense to go for Asian comics that are directed towards Asian audiences with pale beauty standards, and expect them to be inclusive because they don’t care for international fans as they do their own country. (Doesn’t help when we’re all reading from an illegal site so no author would welcome us illegal readers opinions lol).

Yeah, I follow a couple of the ones on webtoon, but I guess it’s the fact that they sometimes go as far as portraying dark skinned MLs that has me hopeful for a good looking dark skinned FL in the stories they have in rotation.

Oh
1) the “European” stories mostly depict European culture very poorly.
2) there are few mangas/webtoons with POC characters written by Asian authors. BUT you should understand that Asian people are not Black/Arab/other people, so author’s understanding will always be limited (even if they do research).
3) people on the internet get VERY FRUSTRATED when creators have POC characters and their image doesn’t match to other people’s preferences. And especially people get super mad at creators for even genuine acknowledged mistakes.
4) if you want to see it so bad, be the one to make it. Show everyone what could be

You’re totally right! There’s not much to do in the authors case. Setting aside their specific beauty standards, like you said, even when POC get included in the story- people get mad that the author doesn’t know enough, doesn’t display them properly, and say it’s inaccurate. Realistically unless someone has lived the life as a POC or been surrounded by diverse backgrounds, they will never be able to accurately depict POC in their stories. It’s no wonder that several asian authors don’t know a thing about POC when they likely haven’t gone outside their own country or interacted with anyone other than their own race

You are ignoring the fact that Asian countries, like Southwest or Southeast do have Brown people. Look at Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. There are Brown people existing. East Asians can write manga and webtoon including them. And Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese have visited plenty of South Asian countries to know it.

And SK and Japan do have immigrants from South Asia.

so it's absolutely an excuses for East Asians. And I'm East Asian, and I can honestly say that it's excuse. It's just racism

You are excusing the issues that East Asians have deep racist and colorist view points toward South Asians.

SK have immigrant population from South Asia due to low birth rate, and so is Japan. Which also causes huge anti immigrant protests against South Asians.

There are South Asians living in East Asia like Japan and SK, which these manga and webtoons are from. So saying it excusing the fact there is a huge colorism and racism issues.

I’m Asian as well, and that still doesn’t change my point. Even in southeast/west asian countries you realize the beauty standard STILL is pale. Why do you think whitening skin products are popular? Why do you think the most beautiful or popular actresses are much paler than majority of average citizens from their country. Many Indians can also attest to this since popular Bollywood actresses are often pale Indians and not darker skin tones. And just cause Asians VISIT a country does not mean they have enough knowledge lmfao. It’s like saying you went on a vacation to one country and say you’re an expert on the way they live.

Realistically one not a single race will ever know the FULL and accurate depiction of how another race lives. Because they didn’t live it. They didn’t live with their specific struggles, didn’t grow up in specific neighborhoods, didn’t know what the common daily lives of everyone was, down to the smallest details of relatability like eating a popular brand of snacks after school. Anyways you’re still not getting my point at all. Why don’t you do your own research, pick a random country and tell me how well you do when you recite your fictional story of that other race to their face, asking them if it’s accurate? You probably would never do that right?

Also, it's funny that you said you want it to see it so bad, be the one to make it. So, I cannot criticize Japanese or Korean authors being ignorant and racist toward Brown people from South Asia by ignoring their existence?

Your logic is like, I cannot criticize the quality of refrigerator, because I didn't build the refrigerator. Nah, I can. It's called criticism. Freedom of speech is two way streets. I chose not to read this webtoon, because I can.

You’re not criticizing, you’re just complaining about the lack of representation. I’m saying that you have a picture in your head of what could be shown, so show it to us.
There are a lot of South Asian people in Japan, but can you blame the native Japanese author for not representing others? Yeah, that’s sad. But most likely they wouldn’t be able to do very good job because they themselves are not South Asian, they don’t fully know struggles of South Asian people and never would.
I do want to see diversity too, I think many people want it.
But Do remember world and time we live in and how much bullying happens when the representation is not “perfect”.
Authors “could” but not “should” create out of other peoples’ wants (that’s mostly about money talking).
Do not shift blame and responsibility over representing your people to others, they won’t be able to do it “right” anyway.

It’s not excusing. You won’t be happy when white people do black representation (cos it’s mostly bad), same goes with Japanese and South Asian and, well, pretty mush anyone. You won’t ever be able to fully grasp the life of others.
And people on the internet are cruel and stupid. It’s just easier and safer to stay in comfort zone for creators. Can’t blame them. Coz look at yourself. You could spend your time creating something beautiful about minorities but instead you’re whining like a child that there’s is no dish to your taste in this huge buffet of life – and you do that over the work someone put a lot of effort and love into (and objectively fine one at that)

Guys, I can see you’re all very passionate about this topic, but all I really meant is I wanted to see dark skinned FLs in the type of stories I enjoy. When they draw dark skinned MCs in BL, they’re not trying to portray black or brown people. It’s just a dark skinned ML and that alone, endears the character to me. So I stay hopeful about that since quite a few stories have dark skinned men and a little few even have beautiful dark skinned female side characters. But they’re always side characters and I just want a main one, that’s all.

Yeah, I get you! I want to see more variety of designs in mangas/webtoons too. So don’t take my comments personally, it was for other user.
btw Iago is quite a nice author, so if you enjoy BL, give them a chance! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~