LatteGratte's Topics (1092)

Did we read different stories? I love Tia's conviction, first of all, she came back to be the family head. She wasn't even in love with Perez originally. Perez needs to become the emperor, and Tia does NOT want to become Empress, she wants to become her own person. BUT this is just my guess, when Perez becomes Emperor, he will just make it to a republic thus not needing for Monarchy. Less creative route would be, he becomes Emperor and his first Imperial Decree would be that Empresses can be the Family Head XDD

Characters have their own motivations, and while the Webtoon has been going on for a bit, I hope you dont forget what Tia's reason for coming back. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Very well said. Just bc it has a romance plot doesn’t mean that that’s all it’s about. I hate it when ppl think that female leads HAVE to get married or accept another person as if she’s not allowed to have her own reasons for not wanting to be tied to a man. She wants to be the head of her family not Perez’s wife not to mention the empress. It’s very obvious they like eachother and the tension is there but before all else tia puts herself and her family first which I LOVE and I think that’s exactly what makes this comic worth reading. There are 100,000 other comics out there were the FL falls in love and ignores her reason for having conviction just to be with a man and I hate the trope just as much as I love it. This comic is different and has depth and plot. She doesn’t need a man no matter how much she likes him. She could accept him and still not want to marry him or be with him and I would be happy ash with that BECAUSE it means she is still tia. It would be fkn crazy if we got all the way to chapter 200 of her having the same drive and goal just to throw it all away and be changed by a crown. Idk if bro even read this frl bc her romance with Perez is NOT the point of the comic or the reason tia does what she does. If you want a comic where theFL give sin and throws her second life away to make a stupid decisions and give in to a man’s will to throw away her status and character then I have a list of them I can give u

i think u should read on or REREAD to fully grasp tia’s/the story’s main purpose here…tia’s main goal was NEVER romance and in fact it’s to become the head of the family…and that’s literally what’s she’s been trying to do this entire time and she does NOT let romance stray her off of it. moreover, she has a solid reason to keep “rejecting” perez and that’s becuz of the rule that the empress cannot be the head of a family at the same time…and if tia drops everything to marry perez and become empress, she’s basically betraying the lombardy family. and it’s kinda crazy how u don’t understand this becuz i think this very reason for her pushing perez away is a very good way to truly show tia’s conviction, her very deserving of the lombardy head, and such a STRONG female character.

YUPPP

Did you not read the reason? A person can’t be an empress/emperor and be the head of the family at the same time. They do like each other, but their end goals clash with each other. I think you skimmed over that part

Perhaps I did skim over it or I haven’t reached the part where that is explained.

With all due respect, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to way ROMANCE in a ROFAN NOVEL. You don’t need to be so condescending and rude. Of course I understand her main purpose! It’s just annoying to me that she keeps rejecting a man she truly likes! Do they have to marry each other to be together?? No! Irregardless of that fact, they are going to end up married anyway.

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I think some of you are missing my point. I'm NOT saying Tia should abandon her goals or that I forgot why she came back. I KNOW she wants to be family head, that's literally her main motivation and I haven't forgotten that. So now I know she can’t be family head/empress…

My issue is this: Why does wanting to be family head mean she HAS to reject Perez? These two goals aren't inherently incompatible. And if the ONLY obstacle is "Empresses can't be family heads," then that's a systemic barrier that can be changed, and to me, not a legitimate character motivation for rejection!

If the rule can be changed (which is something that Perez will obviously do/it will be changed), then Tia rejecting him NOW is just unnecessary angst. She's creating a problem that doesn't need to exist.
If she genuinely doesn't want to be Empress, okay, but that's a conversation they should HAVE. Not her unilaterally deciding "we can't be together" without even discussing alternatives. What if Perez doesn't want a traditional Empress role for her? What if he'd support her being family head? We don't know because she won't communicate!

Like the whole "crossing the line" excuse is simply vague and frustrating! Right now it just feels like manufactured drama.

To be clear: I'm not saying she should drop everything for romance. I'm saying a smart, strategic character should be able to figure out how to pursue BOTH her ambitions AND her relationship, or at least have an actual conversation about it! Her "conviction" would be more admirable if it was based on something concrete rather than what feels like an arbitrary choice!

Yes, Perez will change it and assures her there’s nothing to worry about.. which is exactly what they ALSO talked about on the same chapter where Tia mentioned that a person can’t be both a family head and empress Tia doesn’t even reject his advances anymore, her ‘rejections’ and ‘reminders that it’s a contract’ seems more like flirting for them now than actual rejection. She didn’t even allow Perez to dissolve their contract you DID mention that you probably skimmed over her reason, so I guess you also skimmed over the part where they talked about it. I think they’re currently focusing on finishing up their goals rather than their relationship. I’ve read the novel anyway, it’s gonna be fine.

Nope. I was not talking about her reason I was talking about the can’t be empress/and head of family part. I either skimmed over it or didn’t read that chapter because as stated in my topic title, I’ve only read up to chapter 179. I haven’t even reached the chapters you’re talking about.

The last chapter I read was when her and Perez went to meet the empress and Perez was telling her something like don’t hide your feelings (don’t quote me, I vaguely remember), and she was being cold to him suddenly. It annoyed me and so I made this comment.

Omg I just realized by reasoning you are not talking about her motivations, you’re talking about reasoning why she can’t be empress/head of house. My bad.

First off there is romance, what you’re expecting is for her to accept him and cave in and ultimately be with him risking her whole purpose. You’re the one being rude in your initial comment. Just bc it’s a slow burn or the romance is delayed doesn’t mean there is 0 romance as you’re insinuating. I think there is a perfect amount of romance in this novel, and like you said it’s NOT a romance novel. I hope you understand where your words fell off, bc if you’re saying we are wrong and the majority of us came to the same co closing leading you as the minority, it’s clearly bc your words or your communication had a clear disconnect. You either said what you said or you’re covering your ass for being wrong by rewording what you were saying, and in which case that means you rly just want to argue when your comment is right there and clear as day. Don’t go back on your words bc you feel as if you are being attack. Also, you definitely skimmed the most important part bc the information we are providing you with was literally in the first 1-10 chapters and you said you were on 170 something no? I think you should reread or drop the comic. It’s truly worth the read and just bc there is a slow burn does not take away from its overall value. If this isn’t your speed I encourage you to try something else. There are soooo many other comics that fit what you are looking for in the site. And I also encourage you to think twice about what you put onto paper or into words because I would assume you’re not dumb and can reread your own comic to understand where the miscommunication is between all parties.

1. "What you're expecting is for her to accept him and cave in and ultimately be with him risking her whole purpose."
No. I'm expecting her to communicate with him like an adult instead of unilaterally shutting him down. Being in a relationship ≠ giving up her goals. That's a false dichotomy.
2. "Just bc it's a slow burn or the romance is delayed doesn't mean there is 0 romance as you're insinuating."
I never said there's zero romance. I said her REASONING for rejecting him is frustrating and feels contrived. There's a difference between a slow burn (which develops naturally) and manufactured angst (which creates unnecessary obstacles).
3. "You're the one being rude in your initial comment."
My initial comment was expressing frustration with a FICTIONAL CHARACTER’S choices. I wasn't rude to any real person until people started condescendingly telling me to "reread" as if I'm too stupid to understand a basic plot point.
4. "If you're saying we are wrong and the majority of us came to the same conclusion leading you as the minority..."
Appeal to majority isn't an argument. Plenty of people can share an opinion and still miss the point of someone's criticism. I'm not saying you're "wrong" to like Tia's choices, I'm saying I find them frustrating and poorly justified.
5. "You either said what you said or you're covering your ass for being wrong by rewording what you were saying."
I've been consistent. My issue has ALWAYS been that her rejection feels unjustified given that the obstacle (the Empress rule) is changeable and they don't even need to marry RIGHT NOW to be together. You're accusing me of backtracking because you misunderstood my original point.
6. "You definitely skimmed the most important part bc the information we are providing you with was literally in the first 1-10 chapters."
I didn't skip anything. In the first 10 chapters, it never stated anywhere that she can’t be both empresss/head of Lombari. It was just established she wants to be the head. Knowing her goal ≠ agreeing that her goal justifies her romantic choices. Stop conflating "understanding the plot" with "agreeing with character decisions."
7. "I also encourage you to think twice about what you put onto paper or into words because I would assume you're not dumb..."
This is incredibly patronizing. I expressed a negative opinion about a story's romantic subplot. That's normal! f you can't handle people criticizing a fictional character without getting this defensive, maybe YOU should think twice about engaging in online discussions.
To be crystal clear one final time: I understand Tia's goal. I understand the rule about Empresses. My criticism is that a supposedly intelligent character is treating this like an unsolvable problem instead of something that can be negotiated, worked around, or changed. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, but stop acting like I'm illiterate for having it.
I'm done with this conversation. You all can enjoy the story your way, and I'll have my opinions.

From what I recall they are actually engaged. The original plan was to have someone else marry the crown prince, but her heart belonged to another who is of foreign royal. Tia helped her escape from her room and took her place to be engaged to the royal family. She still wants to be head of the family so there is a possibility that they might break it off. I’m not certain about that part but I remember they got her grandfather’s permission on it

? I’m not talking about Loraine

Neither am I. I’m talking about currently and the past. Yes, my comments get confusing, I’m not very good with them sometimes. The way I think of it and then type it out is not the best. I’m sorry

There’s nothing to apologize for, it’s okay

Reply after the edit:

1. At this point in the manhwa, being with Perez would mean, in her perspective, giving up the right to inherit the position of the family head. Because at this point in the story, by law, being an empress means she can't be the head of a household as well. And besides, changing the law, in this universe, means the emperor can't benefit from it. And Perez would technically benefit from it because he would be marrying the head of the most powerful dukedom in his empire. So Perez needs to have his insane/calculating dad to change the law for him, which his dad would never agree with.

1. Again, Perez can't change the law about inheritance himself even if he's the emperor because of their empire's law.

2. No strategic person would reveal anything to someone they have no control over. IRL, even spouses living in the same house didn't reveal their role in WW2 until after their NDA(?) expired. You can argue that they can help each other, but not even the allies in WW2 knew what the other is doing in secret.

Sometimes, in order to reach your goal, you need to sacrifice one for the other. They are currently in a world where Tia can't have both. Tia wants to be the head. Perez respected that. And Perez knew Tia would never give up becoming the head. That was the only information they both needed to walk towards their goal. And that's where we're at at the story.

PS: Sorry if I spoiled anything. Also, bruh the solution isn't easy. XD if it was, all these scheming is so over the top.

Idk why they’re coming for you. I absolutely agree with you. It’s frustrating and that’s why I dropped it early on. Hopefully they hurry up and she can get passed her stupidity

cant even say im shocked. yamamori mika always breaks my heart (〜￣△￣)〜

Dont expect anything good from that author lmao they start good then they destroy everything

That’s so annoying

Yeah fr

Maybe you missed it but from what it looks like to me....this was tagged incorrectly with the BL/Yaoi tags, multiple of them so people would flood asking where the BL is/to remove the BL tags naturally

ur just dumb for no reason

Waaah waah.

I do not care what a fujoshi has to say.

I already know that. But some of yall are so extra for no reason.

you're the one being extra. you can flick your bean to het porn all you want no one's stopping you

Better than getting off on BL babes. You’re depraved.

Cause this wasn’t the comback you thought it was

Your comment is actually the definition of extra
If you claim to know why the comments are here then what was the need of posting a nasty comment like this? It wasn't even a simple comment it was just nasty on purpose lol

Precisely, I just don’t care. It’s not far from truth anyway.

@blquintiwhateverthefuck I can block you and you can stay pressed that I did. Y’all are so fucking easy and fun to trigger. Depraved women who consume gay content made by other women catered to women just to fetishize gay men. Fucking weirdos. I’ll naturally block and pathetic bitches like you.

The manhwa is tagged as a yaoi tho. Plus its a smut so honestly its just made to get people off. Youre not really better for getting off to this taboo stuff, you know that right?

I don't read this. I'm in the comments because y'all are acting unhinged. My point stands, you consume gay male content made by women for women to fetishize gay men, then call het content 'disgusting,’ ‘hetslop.’ That's what's depraved.

It's very far from the truth and it's just you projecting your own emotions lol.
So you're basically exposing yourself while trying to bring others down but judging by these replies...it's not working and failing very horribly

Not working? Someone literally made a whole thread crying about me blocking them and you're still here in my replies. I'm clearly doing something right lmao. And I'm not projecting, y'all treat gay men like your personal porn category the same way straight dudes fetishize lesbians, except you act morally superior about it.

LatteGratte, your description explains a lot lmaooooo im dead

So you think the world revolves around you and you can do no wrong? Lol, typical.
Someone made a thread to call out your nasty behvaiour after you blocked them because you couldn't handle what they had to say, I don't think that was rocket science.
You are in fact projecting, look again "treating gay men like your personal porn" I'm sorry but I don't know ANYONE in the real world like that. You're literally just exposing your owl fantasies acting like you're better than everyone else
You're just upset because people called you out on your hypocritical behaviour and you couldn't handle it.
And then here comes the projecting again...you're the only one here acting like you're morally superior because you "don't read BL" please get a grip of the real world.
People read these things for entertainment and have preferences, I'm sorry if you goon to them and want to take others down with you but hard pass. Majority of people on this website are only here for the BL because there's mainly only BL. Meanwhile they use other websites and other sources of media for different genre because those platforms won't be flooded with BL or hypocrites who think they're "morally superior" like you.
But I don't want to continue talking about this any longer because apparently you get justification on "being right" when a stranger on the internet does the bare minimum of replying to you
I hope you grow out of this nasty phase and live a blissful life though

“I don't know anyone in the real world like that" , so just because YOU don't know them means they don't exist? That's your argument? lol. The comments are RIGHT HERE on this site. People literally said they have 'heterophobic eyes' and called het content 'disgusting hetslop.' ‘Thought we were gonna get a uke with boobies.’ LMAO. Those are REAL people on this site treating gay relationships as their fave fap material. Just because you're in denial doesn't mean it's not happening.
'I don't want to continue talking about this' after writing a whole essay is peak comedy btw (look at me, now I’m writing essays!!) I blocked someone because I can, not because I 'couldn't handle it', I did it for the fuck of it. Because it’s funny to see this kind of reaction. And yeah, I AM morally superior to people who consume content where women profit off fetishizing gay men.
'People read for entertainment', yeah, and WHAT you choose to be entertained by says something about you. Consuming yaoi made by women, for women, that's full of rape and assault? That's fetishization. Period.
But honestly? Thank you for this. Thank you for your time and energy. I genuinely enjoyed watching you write paragraphs trying to justify fetishization while claiming you're done talking. This was fun! Have the day u deserve!!

Dw girl, you're right...the BL fetishers are so annoying when they flood comments and downvote shit causing others to potentially miss out on things they might enjoy :p

You are a top tier rage baiter. Good job.

I can’t tell if you’re being condescending or not

Props to the person who spammed replies trying to make you the villain because you don’t get aroused by webtoons where straight women fetishize gay men being raped.

“I’m chill with you being homophobic, but judging me for liking gay men rape content is too far!!”

Like… do they hear themselves? The irony is practically screaming.

Literal crazy shit.

No condescension. The fetishizers don't seem to realize you said "BL fetishizers" not "BL readers". Any other person who casually reads BL would realize they are not the target of your comment.

But because it applies to them, they get offended.

You know the saying, right? If it doesn't apply, let it fly. They couldn't let it fly.

The way this happens every time. Every single time I write a comment like this I get so much hate, stay strong

yet you're on the same site as the fujoshis you are no better than them

And so…?

Being on the same website doesn't mean I'm doing the same thing lmao. It looks like you’re out of your depth here and I’m not going to explain simple things to someone not willing to understand as I’ve already done multiple times. You’re just another pressed fujoshi, mad because I’m right about you and your fetishizing behavior. Now, you can go ahead and be as salty as blquintissential lol.

Wow, this comment makes no point at all. A whole lotta words saying a whole lotta nothing.
Calling out nasty behaviour doesn't make someone nasty; that's just what people who don't want to take accountability say. Next time, if you want to criticize someone at least list down coherent criticism rather than ranting because your emotions clouded over your logic.

ALSO you contradict yourself in YOUR OWN COMMENT. So what if people are only here for BL, that doesn't justify downvoting comics simply because they were tagged wrong and leaving nasty comments when you could've just left. "If you don't like it don't interact with it" shouldn't ONLY apply to people who dislike BL.

Yessss!!!!! I always had second male lead syndrome

Me too

Suffer bc she doesn't love him? No one is owed another persons love simply bc you love them

I don’t have second male lead syndrome. I don’t even like him. I just am annoyed that the author insists on making him some heartbroken, lovesick fool. I do not enjoy seeing his pathetic appearance. I wish the author would allow him to thrive beyond the FL.

lol and did I ever say that? I don’t recall. The authors make these men suffer. I am not talking about the female lead at all in this instance. I don’t care that she rejected him. I care that I have to see a man mope and whine and cry about how he loves her so much and he can’t move on. It’s just annoying. I don’t know why authors insist on making second male leads if all they want is for them to suffer/never end up with someone else after loving FL. They are a useless, annoying, addition.

I think your explanations make more sense. In the original comment it seemed like you are a Doha apologists

No i agree
Its like the same with the red hair guy which thank god he found his someone but like why cant doha have someone for himself
Its so annoying bro

Yep. Why does the author act like the FL is the ultimate person and Doha can’t do any better? He surely can. The FL is a selfish person to begin with.

I agree

I bet he is not dead cause that would be so badly written by the author. Like she didn’t even said “bye” to him before he left come on author u can’t kill him like that without even mentioning his name