I suppose they would work, but I have had a preference for cucumbers since the time my husband expertly carved one to resemble a very attractive penis. Carrots, when fresh, are not very flexible and feel a bit too much like plastic, but cucumbers have a little "give" in the flesh and feel as close to the "real thing" as a veggie can get. This applies to yellow squash (if you like them with a curve) and zucchini (if you like them shaved with a little stubble) as well. Bananas are too soft and tend to mush, leaving behind a rather sticky mess. I don't recommend them. Leeks and green onions expand and peel when they absorb lots of moisture and can leave parts behind if you're not careful. Celery is "ribbed for your pleasure", but tends to be rather narrow. Two stalks nested together might work though. Asparagus is also rather narrow and has spiky little leaves on the stalk, be careful. Whatever you do, stay clear of artichokes! Their leaves have sharp little spikes on them that hurt like hell!
Now that I have ruined half the produce section of your local grocery store... remember a healthy diet has 5 servings of fruits and veggies! LMAO (This was all just a joke. I've only ever actually used the cucumber. Don't judge me, he worked hard on it! LOL) ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Wow,
masturbation queen
I bow to you (〜￣▽￣)〜
LMAO
I am happy you both enjoyed my rather twisted sense of humour. If you got even a giggle out of my embarrassing exposé, I have done the job I set out to do. Thank you both for taking the time to leave a comment and when you're feeling down, just visit your local grocery store's produce section and think of me. LMAO Many wishes for more laughter and joy in your lives.
I'm reminded once again why I started to follow you: You're fucking awesome
LMAO Thanks! I have my moments.
Lmfao amazing!!!
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LOL Thanks! Having no sense of shame or embarrassment has its perks sometimes. LMAO
I've seen one trying to shove an apple in his ass but didn't succeed lol he also shove 3 eggs in it and I've never been so terrified in my life
I will never not unsee that mental image you gave me there thank you
This is good yaoi comedy. Outrageous, over-the-top, ridiculous and hilarious without being homophobic, cockblocking or position fighting. I love this! No, the plot does not make sense. Yes, the characters and situations are ludicrous. Yes, the sex is "out-of-the-blue" and extreme. These are all the qualities that make this manga hilarious from the first frame to the last. You can't help but laugh every time you have a WTF moment.
This is a manga about homosexual men, right? So, why all the focus on a secondary female character? You're doing exactly what the female senpai did when you do that. The whole point of the exchange between Icchan, Yuzu and the female senpai is that GAY MEN ARE NOT WOMEN and even the most effeminate gay man is STILL a man. Christ on a cracker! Does no one know how to read beyond what is written for them on the page anymore?!
To those who prefer to bitch about unfair treatment of a secondary female character and ignore the unfair treatment of a gay protagonist : You'll jump on the "feminist propaganda" bandwagon, but you ignore the "sexual minority" issue as if it didn't exist. Some LGBT allies you people are! At least it's clear where your loyalties are. I was under the impression that those who read yaoi supported gay men and their rights as human beings, but now I see clearly that people like you don't. You're just here to fetishize them. Thanks for opening my eyes.
Wtf is wrong with you? I do have issues with that bit, and I'm not going to ignore something stupidly sexist because someone accuses me of jumping onto 'feminist propaganda'. The way she was belittled for being an 'inadequate' female is EXTREMELY problematic. The belittling was done in no other context.
I'm curious; do you genuinely believe that people who stand up for one thing must be against another? That is, feminists are against homosexuality simply because they choose to focus on one issue rather than another. You can't support something without having to give up on something else? Are you seriously that narrow-minded? Can you seriously NOT see why some people may be annoyed by the way she was spoken down to, for no reason other than being a woman? I pity you, then.
Also, I definitely support gay men in real life, and would never do anything to cause them discomfort, but personally, I consider yaoi to be manga-porn-story. I don't see how something I'm doing to amuse myself without imposing on anybody makes me an evil non-supporter. So, yeah, when I'm reading smutty yaoi in my personal time, I am getting hot and bothered over two men f*cking. I'm not reading yaoi thinking that me enjoying men in a relationship is magically contributing to the cause in any way. Call it a fetish if you will. I'm glad your eyes have been opened about something, at least.
If this was a shoujo and a woman was insulted, your point and complaint would be valid. However, this isn't shoujo, It's yaoi and just like every other narrow mind, you missed the bigger picture. In fact, you missed the entire point of the entire exchange. I'm not the one with something wrong in this case since I can read and I can think for myself without having to use buzzwords, like fucking "problematic", that I picked up from a worthless college course or social media. Do you consult your Gender Studies professor or Facebook before you wipe your ass too? Your comment has the intelligence and sharpness of a marble.
I guess I struck a nerve when I hit the nail on the head for some readers. It sucks to be called out on your narrow minded shit, doesn't it. Some will try to hide their real agenda behind a smile and a nod, but have a hard time keeping their words and thoughts from leaking out. "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be feared a homophobe than to open it and remove all doubt." LOL
Once again, you act as though it is only possible to focus on one issue without considering any others. You haven't answered any of my questions. You don't make any new points. Once again you insinuate I'm a homophobe simply because sexism bothers me. You simply prattle on pointlessly without actually getting to a point, much less an intelligent argument. I do wonder about the 'real agenda' you're mentioning, though. Is the entire world a conspiracy theory to you?
Oh, also, I'm an economics major. :-)
You and everyone else are the ones focusing on only one issue. The feminist issue, and ignoring entirely the gay minority issue. This is a manga about gay men, yes? Then wouldn't it be logical that the issues faced by the protagonist are, and should be, the focus of the reader's attention? Otherwise, any "moral of the story" would be completely lost. Which, here, it has been. This is why I say that those who focus solely on the feminist issue have missed the bigger picture and "moral of the story" the mangaka was attempting to convey. I concede that the feminist point is valid, but it is not the focus of the story, the protagonists and their issues are. Not every reader failed to miss the "moral of the story", but a great number did. They ignored entirely the gay minority "moral" in lieu of the feminist issue. This isn't a manga that is focused on women and the issues they face. This manga is focused on two gay, male protagonists and the issues they face. The female secondary character is an antagonist, the character meant to create conflict within the plot, or the "villian". I realize that rooting for the villian has become a novel thing to do, but if in one's desire to seek novelty, one misses the crux and moral of the story, the whole point of reading it, and the mangaka's purpose for writing it, has been lost. Of course, as a reader, I will set aside the antagonist's issues in favor of the protagonist's issues because the protagonist's issues are the point if the story. The protagonist is why one is reading the story. It's not that I, as a person, don't care about feminist issues, it is that I don't focus on an antagonist's issues when reading a story about a protagonist's issues.
I read this again. And your comment put in words what I was thinking. I admit that I did get angry because of Icchan's assertions on the girl the first time I read it. But as discussed in a previous comment, the girl was already doing something wrong. She was prejudging Yuzu. But I was still bothered for some reason so I decided to reread it.
First of all I don't know why I, or anyone else for that matter, got so hanged up in him calling her helpless, when most mangas have at least one or more sentence diminishing women or anything associated to women. "It doesn't matter if I get scarred, I'm not a girl", "How can I be so in love, I'm acting girly" and zillion more examples as those. I've never seen anyone saying anything about those. Maybe because we have learnt to dismiss it as collateral or the culture and environment where the work was conceived. But why not here? I think that because a girl is literally involved here instead of being just a passing remark.
And in paying so much attention to it, I think that we misunderstand what Icchan meant to say. The burnt senpai gets angry at Icchan for checking on her and not checking on Yuzu, when he was the one that reacted and got her away from the fire. Because in her mindset, Yuzu's "girlish" behaviour made him someone to be protected and incapable of anything else but be a maiden in distress. She doesn't see him as a man. Denying him his identity, opinion and merits.
Yuzu never saw himself as a girl. He didn't thinks cooking or such made him less of a man. And neither does Icchan. Yes, he wants to be a princess, but is more the idea of it because he sees Icchan as a prince, and the partner of a prince is a princess.
I really love this mangaka's ukes. They have an inner strength that most ukes don't. Yuzu is no exception. He is interested in cooking and wants to be a princess, but the art doesn't make him the staple petite, girlish, big-eyed uke. He's tall and manly. He doesn't resent it much until he worries for Icchan but once assured about it he doesn't care anymore. He stands tall. And neither him nor Icchan diminish his interests for being "girly". They don't resent it. They just take it as a part of Yuzu's being. The only one who doesn't see acceptable for a man to have such interests is the senpai. Not explicitly, but her treatment of Yuzu and behaviour towards him is insulting to Yuzu and to any man who could have interests that would be deemed "girlish" by society.
Anyways, the main reason I didn't like senpai was because I hate characters that keep pushing their feelings onto the obviously attached main character while completely disregarding their characters and only pursuing the idea of them.
Now I see I wrote too much. Sorry.
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No need to apologize. You echoed the words that were in my own heart for this manga and mangaka. I was sorely disappointed that such wonderful characters and story were being eclipsed by the tribulations of an antagonist and secondary character. What is worse is that this arc of the story wasn't poorly written. So, the issue was a lack of understanding by the readers. I have been told I "think too much" and that manga is just entertainment. For some mangaka, this is true. For others, however, they put their heart and soul into writing a story and those mangaka deserve to have me put the same effort into understanding what they are trying to convey in their story. So, yeah, I do have a habit of thinking a lot about what a mangaka is trying to say in their story. Yaoi may be a form of pornography, but shounen ai isn't and most yaoi have more shounen ai in them than they have explicit sex scenes. They tend to tell a story. Is it so much to ask that readers make an effort to understand the story when the manga has one? Apparently, it is. Honestly, I am stunned by the lack of reading comprehension in most readers who comment. (I can't speak on those who don't comment since their thoughts on the stories are not conveyed.) Have they stopped teaching that in schools now? You know, like "book reports" and writing essays on your impression of classic allegorical novels? I mean, all yaoi and BL are about two guys in a relationship, yet there are over 5000 on this site alone. Why, if they are all telling the same story, do we need so many? Because they are NOT telling the same story. They each have deeper meaning. I read one, "Meeting Him", where the story was a beautiful analogy to the feelings of loss after a lover dies. The MC's lover dies and he is, then, also killed. He suddenly finds himself alive in a "different world" where he must learn how to live again. It was amazing and incredibly well written, yet readers could not understand why certain "plot holes" were not filled in. They completely missed the bigger picture of what the mangaka was trying to convey. The manga was a five star story and the comments made me cry. No one got it. You should check it out, it's complete and really well written. Maybe I am just too old. I remember when cartoons (anime) had a "lesson" to learn embedded in every episode. Do they even do THAT anymore?
I don't know if it's just a flabbergasting lack of reading comprehension, but also a failure to distinguish between reality and fiction, and their codes. The most common example would be the trope of rape in yaoi and the outrage of the readers. I've recently got into an argument for pointing out that the rape tag in second place was a disservice to a certain manga. It was a light-hearted comedy where "rape" was tested the same way as if the seme would have spilled coffee on the uke. It was an annoying and inconvenient event that was useful to move the plot forward. Nothing more, nothing less. Yet most of the comments were of the readers' dismay and outrage because of the "rape" scene. And a few ones of would-be readers asking if it was a really bad scene. So I complained about how the use of such a tag would keep readers away of a cute manga where "rape" was trivial, because other readers gave it importance where there was none.
I don't think that cartoons (manga or/and anime) don't have lessons anymore. But now they are burried in double-meanings and the incompetence of the consumers to distinguish them. Ignorance is preferred and encouraged. Is easier to get offended than try to understand a different culture with a different way of communicating (not only the language) and a different point of view, history and society. Messages get lost in translation and million of other things (social networks are a double-edged sword, since they allow us to receive content from across the globe, but they also allow to judge completely different cultures with our own parameters).
I have no idea what your point here is.
TLDR; When an effeminate gay man was treated like a woman readers ignored that prejudice and, instead, focused on the moment when a woman was given special treatment as a woman and called it sexist. Gay men are not women, regardless of how effeminate they are. Women, however, ARE women and take great pains to indulge in special treatment when it suits them, but when it doesn't, it is suddenly sexist.
Sometimes, I swear, you must live inside my own head! LOL Everything you have said here has been said by me a hundred times or more. By the way, I miss our discussions. I hope you are well.
I don't know how I didn't get around to this manga before now, but I did just manage to read it.
I love what you wrote above and it irks me to no end how readers here tend to get focused on ONE bit (and not even the important ones) and just go crazy over it. In this case, it was really pissing me off that she kept going on and on about protecting him, like... uh, yeah, he said that Icchan protected him in the past and that's what made Icchan a "prince" to Yuzu but he didn't need protecting anymore (and in fact, rather bemoans that because he's so tall now. :P). I was so annoyed how she kept pushing herself onto him and talking about protecting him like he's not capable of it.
Thank you for pointing this out. It's really frustrating when they get so focused on their own anger they miss the point entirely.
I understand why young, female readers react the way they did. Feminism and feminist principals are shoved down kid's throats starting in kindergarten and it continues unabated through college. They also relate more to a female character more than a gay male character since they, themselves, are female. I understand it, but it doesn't mean I condone it, nor does it make their thinking any less narrow minded or ignorant. Icchan was always chivalrous. Whether to Yuzu or to the senpai, his intent was always kindness and courtesy. The same can't be said for the senpai. She saw Yuzu as weak and in need of help and protection. Icchan never saw Yuzu this way, he protected him out of kindness and love, not pity. This is the difference between chivalry and pity. Yuzu also didn't need Icchan's protection, but he allowed it and enjoyed it because he loved Icchan. Protection from anyone else would be unnecessary and unwelcome. It would also be viewed, possibly, as pity. The mangaka wrote a beautiful example of this situation in this manga and it was lost on far too many readers. It really made me sad.
Cringest thread I've ever read.
And yet you still had to be part of it. LOL
Are you really laughing out loud? Didn't know I was so funny :) Anyway, I was just sharing my feelings, I'll leave you to your ranting (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Yes, I am. I genuinely found it funny that, although you found it cringey, you still felt the need to add your comment. It's like passing a horrible wreck on the road. You know you should look away, but you just can't stop looking anyway.
You know, your perspective is not the only perspective. You get to have opinions, but so does everyone else. Throwing around the word homophobic just because people didn't prioritize the feelings of a gay man over a women is damaging and petty. There is some rampant sexism in the gay community. It's not always overt, but it's there, and it's not totally surprising when you think about it sociologically, but at this point, it's old news. This comment was over-whelmingly anti-feminist though, and it's no wonder Kaito was cringing. Taking about feminist principals as if they are some sort of terrible propoganda to protect your kids from is one thing, but the whole idea where cis gay men act as if it's such an insult to be compared to women is just backwards. It's 2019, not 1999, we respect all genders and orientations here. If you are comfortable with yourself and secure in your identity, you don't need to pitch a fit for being compared to a girl. You just roll your eyes at the ignorance. Plenty of women fuck and plenty of men get fucked and plenty of people are doing whatever they want. Gay men aren't women? Yeah, no shit, Sherlock, what else is new?
I haven't read the story though. I just wanted to check the comments and found this shitstorm. I swear, this place can get almost as bad as facebook. I fear for the comment sections on shota works. I don't even know how to begin to unpack that can of worms. (Excuse the mixed metaphors.) Go to practically any story where rape is mentioned, and it's pretty much the same. This shit gets devicive, and I just want to have a good time. :(
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT!! This was on my mind was reading through this whole discourse LMAO wish I could thumbs up! I’m mad late but User Mameiha reallly gotta relax.
I remember coming across this thread a while ago, and I didn't know how to respond to this anti-feminist mess of a thread. No solid arguments, just accusations and gas lighting from @Mameiha's end. But this response was really well put. Really gives me hope for this community.
Of all the opposing comments I've received on this thread, I respect yours the most. You were honest and said you hadn't read the story through. Of course, reading comments about sexisism against females and then seeing my very opinionated and expressive comment deriding readers for their opposition to sexism against females would trigger a naturally defensive reaction in any woman. Why would someone say what I said and the way I said it? If you fully read my conversation with @areslevdi, you will gain greater insight into my thoughts and feelings. That is, if you even care. In short, the title of my original comment says it all. The whole point of the scene and even the entire manga was missed by a large number of readers because they couldn't remove themselves from that "defense mode" long enough to see the theme or "moral" to this story. It is a disservice to this mangaka and any others whose stories they read. I haven't bothered to explain myself to anyone else because I feel little or no respect for them or their opinion. I could not say the same for you and felt you deserved a respectful reply and explanation.
Perhaps it is because feminists, today anyway, are two faced desperate attention whores who want to be treated like men and also be coddled like women. Make up your mind. Do you want to be equals or do you want to be a special snowflake that daddy and your hubby coddled and treats like a princess? When you figure it out, get back to me.
Haha, I'm a bi guy that happens to supports gender equity. Love the projection though. Also won't get back to you because you're not worth it :D
General thread: Makes crass remarks about feminism---> gets backlash in kind---> you: *surprised pikachu face*
Grisfox's reply: Treats you like a baby by explaining what your incorrect without sinking down to your level--> you:"wOw sOmEboDy wItH sOmE sEnSe"
Look, I (regretfully) took the time to read what you said. You claim (backpedal) that you support feminism, but that should be set aside because in your words the main character are gay men, so their issues should ONLY be taken up. Thus, feminism should be put aside because the rivial is not the main character (like people can't do both.) You might be spitting out paragraphs but that is literally all you're saying (besides bashing other readers of course).
I won't deny the female character has faults. She felt the need to prove herself as the superior woman in a het relationship by playing a dominate role in her courting the main character. Now if, you actually took issue with that bit of the story and tied it with a radical feminism critique, I MIGHT have seen where you were coming from, but all you're doing is screaming that everyone who doesn't agree with you is basically a triggered femnazi, you're right, everyone's wrong blah, blah, blah---it's no wonder 99% of people in this thread can't take you seriously. Grow up.
Alien ship to Mothership: We have landed on planet earth.
Mothership: What have you found there?
Alien ship: There is no intelligent life here. Nuke it.
Mothership: Roger that. Nukes are on their way.
We srsly deserve to be nuked, lol
The basic core of the plot is easy to pick up, but there is a lot of dialogue that is confusing or cut off in mid-sentence with little surrounding clues to point to what is trying to be said. This gives a feeling of being unable to connect with the character, their motives and thoughts. The translation may be poor, but I think the writing is also at fault.
After reading this for the 5th time, I finally was able to understand what was happening from the start. I'm not sure what changed between the 4th and 5th time reading it, but it just clicked this time. That said, there is no excuse a writer could give for making a story so confusing that it takes five times reading it to completely pick up what is going on. There is not enough situational context to understand cut off dialogue and thoughts and there is not enough character development to understand why characters do and say what they do and say.
**SPOILERS**
Honda saved Yoshiro and his mother from a homicidal stalker. Honda then goes on to have an affair with Yoshiro's mom, but Yoshiro is in love with Honda. Honda is then murdered. Honda's partner at the time, Asagawa, is the culprit. Asagawa was smuggling evidence and confiscated goods from police custody for the yakuza at the behest of his senior Shino-something. (The older, dark haired detective partnered with Takeda) When Asagawa fails to keep his secret from Honda and Honda notes this crime in his notebook, Asagawa is forced to kill Honda and hide his notebook. Asagawa continues committing his crime for 10 years. When his new partner discovers his secret, he must kill again. This is the opening murder.
It's not a bad plot, but the execution is poorly done. Perhaps it is really just a bad translation and when in the original Japanese the writing is easier to follow. I'm not sure, but this is a good example of why competent translation is so important. A great story can become a waste of time if the reader can't understand the words on the page.
This manga, this mangaka and the way her characters are extremely affectionate. The affection feels so genuine compared to other manga where affection tends to be rebuked or cut off from embarrassment. Sensei's characters love each other and they are not ashamed to show it. Even if they must hide their love from the world, they don't hide it from each other. It's refreshing and liberating. You don't have to make out in the streets, but when you're at home there should be no need to be embarrassed. I also loved the closing lines in this manga. "If you forget that I'm gay, I'm just a normal salary man..." This line says it all. Whether homosexual or hetero, we're all just trying to make it day to day and find a little happiness when and where we can. We're not so different from each other in this respect. Why focus on insignificant differences?
OMG The uke is so damn adorable I want to eat him up in one bite! When he is chibi/child mode I want to die! This manga makes cotton candy seem bitter. The writing, characters, conflicts, resolutions, and plot of this manga are sheer perfection. The seme's attraction and attachment to the uke seemed a little fast, but that is made up for with so much sweetness and love over the span of the remaining chapters and volumes that it's easily forgotten. This is going into my favorites and reread lists for those days when my heart needs some tender loving care.
This went into my favorites as well. This is beautiful.
Aahhhh! I used to have a Newfie and a Great Pyrenees! We got the exact same reactions from people! We called them Yin and Yang. I miss them so much. They were pound puppies, both much older when we adopted them. I was so happy to have been blessed to be a part of their lives even though it was only for a few years.
It's pretty tame and cute with your basic "male pride" conflicts used as comedy fodder. Not bad at all, but not the best or most enticing manga I've read. The main characters are more developed than the other two pairings, but that is not to say that they are well developed. I can't say I disliked this manga, but I can say that I probably won't remember it.
The plots seem forced, in more ways than one. In the first story, I felt no connection to or between the characters and the conflicts felt like they were chosen from a "grab bag" rather than seriously thought through. Secondary characters flitted in and out so quickly, they all seemed to blur together. In the conclusion to the first story the conflict was even more contrived than in the initial chapters and the tenuous connection between the protagonists felt in the first part of the story completely snaps. Without a connection to the characters through proper development, having their thoughts cut off with ellipses only makes the flow of the story choppy and confusing. I had no idea how the protagonists actually felt about each other. I've seen some very poorly written manga and this one will be added to that list. The second story suffers from the same problems as the first, though the characters are developed marginally better. Though the characters are developed a little better, they're not entirely likable and their connection to each other is tremendously thin. Honestly, it felt like the mangaka had never told a story in their lives or they really didn't have their heart into this story and simply "phoned it in". The plot concepts had potential to be really cute stories - otaku x closet otaku and 30 y/o hetero virgin falls in love with a man - if they had been developed and written better.