someone bring the pacifiers bc bitches be acting like babies over a slap in a bdsm scenario
Ikr like, isn't that one of the basics?
In proper bdsm plays, the purpose is for both parties to feel pleasure (however it may be) and both must consent to what will be happening in the play. Chanwoo did not consent to being slapped, making the play unethical.
Oh ur right lol i forgot bout the important 2-way consent part
I'd feel bad for liking Chang if his "cons" made a n y lick of sense
-ed had a debt, a hospital bill debt so there are no verbal agreements there and said debt was also issued by an institution but why? the debt was his grandfather's and grandfather is dead, ed wasn't a guarantor since when the money was lent he was unconscious, he needs to sign the paper in order to be a guarantor and he didn't do it but still carried the debt, did they commit fraud with his signature? bitch, its the usa, go to the police, you became a guarantor after the debt? is that even allowed? I think it isnt and why on Jehova's earth would you become a guarantor??? why would a kid with no degree become a guarantor of his own volition???? dude wtf ?????
- the rape scene, chang payed extra to get ed asap, when the 2 met at the hotel, chang told him "stop doing escort, come work with me instead" he wasn't planning to have actual sex with ed, he payed like 5k to stop ed from escorting
then ed says "I can fuck you good" (whichisanicethingtosayedthx) and grabbed changs crotch, first since you were gonna fuck him shouldnt you grab his butt ??? second chang loves ed, he wants to him to touch him there, thats not 100% unpleasant to him so why does he react like that ???? and even if it was unpleasant, weve seen his backstory, chang is a pro at enduring bullshit, before that scene he was always calm so why on earth would a desired stimulus trigger him like that ?????
then, we know chang is buff but ed isnt a nakamura shungiku uke, hes a bruce lee wannabe and a security guard, dude you dont have to kill chang you just need to get away from him, why cant you do it?? also, youre not in some abandoned wasteland, youre in a hotel, theres tons of people there, chang hasnt reserved the whole thing, fucking scream, there are people nearby, why didnt you scream??? and the worst part, author says "oh, its because he dislocated his shoulder so it makes sense lol" BITCH, EXCUSE ME????? you need your shoulder to fucking run?????? what is wrong with you????????
so yeah, the debt and the rape make absolutely 0 sense, nothing, nada
thats why I dont feel like chang is that bad of a guy, literally his two "crimes" are full of stupid scenarios and plotholes, so yeah, I dont feel bad for liking him and no one should feel bad or be shamed for liking him either
There's a difference between liking a villanous character and choosing to feign ignorance over the malignancy of their actions.
I'm sorry, but all I am reading is you victim blaming again and again.
First, Ed CAn become guaranter not because of LEGAL debts but because of ILLEGAL debts. You think those in the mafia, yakuza, triad, etc give a crap's ass about legal stuff?? You got a debt and you die, your living legacy now carries that debt. In that case, Ed was in debt. And yes, chang decided to take over that debt. HOWEVER, he continued to use that debt to manipulate and control ed. THAT is what was wrong with Chang and his decisions.
Second. You're really out here blaming the victim for not crying "loud enough", running "fast enough", acting "well enough", in a situation that a RAPIST is causing??? No, we aint out here trying to justify rape by any means. I dont give a rat's ass if Ed even agreed to have sex then refused in the middle of it. CONSENT ins consent. Therefore, the moment he refused is the moment the consent was taken away. Chang had NO RIGHT to force sex on ed. Have you ever heard of Marital Rape??? Literally your husband/wife/spouse can still rape you even if they "love" you. Your consent is still consent.
NOW, feel free to like Chang all you want. Maybe he's hot. maybe he's miunderstood. Maybe he'll get a redemption arc. You don't have to feel bad for simply liking a villanous character.
HOWEVER, don't go around enabling his vicious and WRONG behavior. That does nothing for anyone but ruin things. Like Chang, do it and be ok with it. Don't victim blame and make up excuses for horrific acts.
I'm hoping you dont get too much shit for liking Chang. And I also hope you realize liking him doesnt mean you have to defend his crimes.
If anyone read this far, thank you. IDC who and what you like, but don't ignore reality and dont justify crimes.
Ok sorry but I found your post too funny. You didn't understand OP at all but you are making some nasty accusations and projecting some issues. They aren't victim blaming or defending Chang's horrific acts.
They are pointing how illogical and poorly written the plot and Chang's character are. The plot holes. How it doesn't make bigger sense. That at this point Chang is some cheap plot device which at times is just ridiculous and definitely his character or storyline could have been written better.
didnt you read the first point? its a "legal" debt with papers and stuff, it wouldve been a million times better if it were a yakuza debt bc then wed have the threat of pay or die but no
now, Im not saying that rape is good and victims are at fault, Im saying it was stupidly poorly executed, ed is not an emotional preteen girl but he sure acted like one in this particular instance just for the sake of the plot advancing
that said, what about the other 3 points about chang reacting in that nonsensical way just bc ed did something chang wanted him to do? in what world does your crush touching you make you go insane?
and whats with that consent preaching? how did my og comment ever implied anything about consent? english isnt my mother language but is my grammar that bad?
THANK YOU KIND STRANGER
But seriously you just pointed plot holes and how out of character both Chang and Ed acted and suddenly you are being accused of victim blaming, excusing and defending Chang's actions. Some random preach about consent, rape and wtf marital rape.
They didn't get your point at all and acted patronising.... Hilarious.
I don't quite get the author
-apparently, we're supposed to like glenn but besides that tiny "I lived in a christian household" we get no backstory for him, he hardly shares romantic moments with ed (other than sex) and for 61 chapters the only hints about his personality is "he gets jealous, is confident and doesn't have much experience with relationships" which idk about you but it's way too little for me to care
-chang is supposed to be the obstacle for ed and glenn's relationship, the villain, but we get his backstory, we see how he cared for ed in the past and how the possibility of losing ed changed him so much, after everything went bad he also tries to approach ed and they even go to the theather together, theres a strong sense of familiarity between those 2 since both grew up in chinatown and have similar acquaintances, he gets so much more meaningful screentime than mcqueen, hell, the most recent chapter is aaaaall chang
-and the rape scene is the moment we're supposed to hate chang and discard him as a possible love interest but then the author tries SO HARD to make it as nonsensical as possible, it legit felt like a joke, was I supposed to take that clownery seriously? if you wanted to take chang out of the love equation then have him die or something
my overall theory is that author didnt realize she was building ed and chang's relationship while neglecting glenn and suddenly she was "oh shit, how do I fix this?" and then threw a random rape scene for the memes
Ed and Chang grew up together. We saw Ed's take on their interactions ages ago but now we see Chang's. As for McQ, you have to infer some of his backstory, it but it isn't hard with all the clues.....
He was raised in a strict Christian household and was tormented by his sexuality since he was 11 years old....Ed lampshades this in his review of Cleed's movie. You can prob infer his family disowned him..so he built his porn empire on his own and he bought a mansion in new york to boot. Impressive entrepreneurship.
When McQ freed himself and embraced being gay he led a life of debauchery and never really had a relationship until Ed. (It is interesting that most of their dates have been romantic...biking or walking in the park; beach house quality time. Also he has cooked a meal for Ed more than once.)
He's known for bringing out the sensuality in men, as a movie director.
He likes to organize things...he worked at a library in middle school. He was prob some studious kid trying to please everyone back then.
His hobbies include dvd and video collections of a variety of film genres
He's a brilliant, talented screenplay writer and he turned down two major awards for the WoW movie
I think we get to know Glenn by his current actions as opposed to his backstory. Whatever event was the impetus for embracing his sexuality is in the past. If he was disowned, he is over it.
What we know for sure is that Ed 's love had a huge impact on him (see chapt 33 end) and he is still realizing it.
Thank you! You give me hope. Too many people were sympathizing with Chang for the dumbest reasons. The author nailed the characters personalities and their actions followed. Chang was deceitful, conniving, and full of malice from the start. Now he wants to be understood after fully exciting and succeeding in his plan to rid himself of Ex's attention. His little back story did nothing but confirm why he was tormenting Ed.
first things first, its cool that you responded in a civile manner, people tend to be so passive-aggresive around here
that said, Id rather take explicit stuff as facts, this story isnt particularly well explained, a lot of details have been discarded from the novel and with those precedents, using enough mental gimnastics you can infer anything from anywhere, iirc I saw someone here say ryan was trans and I was like ???? so yeah, Id rather take explicit stuff
tbh stuff like interests and skills are not really part of someones personality, me saying that he was inexperienced in relationships was a big stretch but I just didnt have much to work with, I know hes determined and ambitious but what else?
I know Im giving personality a lot of importance but thats bc this is a romance story, its important, we mostly see the story through ed's pov and if glenn is hard to read through his eyes then that means ed doesnt know him all that well
Ill give you the bike date, that was nice, but what absolutely cemented for me the fact something was wrong with ed and glenn is the fact that ed never told him about the debt, Im sorry but not trusting your partner enough to tell them about the massive problem that is tying you down (debt is pretty much the centerpoint for everything in walk on water) is a massive red flag to me
at that point I was left thinking, I know ed feels attraction for mcqueen after all, ed fell in love with mcqueen after they filmed porn but is it actual love? Im not convinced at all, I legit feel a bit bad for glenn
thanks for that..i am usually respectful in my comments but i run into immature trolls on here, they think they can say whatever behind their anon internet presence too. I actually enjoy healthy, logical debate.
But back to the topic...A lot of folks define themselves by what they do so I threw in the facts about hobbies etc. from the earlier chapters. Most of what I listed up there are facts we know about McQ that we have to piece together into his backstory as readers. I would assume the novel really pulls it out. I wonder how they edited the novel into webtoon-sized pieces myself.I don't think the author screwed anything up, in terms of flatly revealing character backstories for Ed or Chang, things just got cut out for the webtoon.
imo the biggest thing left in the novel was mcqueen filming porn with others while dating ed
that was just so messed up to me, like he has a mansion and is the boss of the company, he had no reason to do that and ed just accepted it, wew
Having done porn himself, ed knows emotions aren't involved so he prob didn't have a huge issue with McQ continuing to film and direct porn. But though we don't see McQ shooting porn here, he did tell Ed he wouldn't stop even though they're dating. Mcq is a star in the industry and he is at his prime...so...
Also Glenn did tell Ed working as an escort wasn't something he'd hold against him so it works both ways.
iirc ed said something like "you can hurt me I'll heal" which is ok, I guess, still doesnt feel right to me tho
ok but can we talk about how stupidly easy ed healed from both suicidal thoughts and rape? what mcqueen did made him say "I want to die" but in like 2 days he already wants to be with him again
does that make sense to any of you?
Time has passed by, and I do not think that he had healed but what is he supposed to do ? Stay home all day and pity himself ? The only way to get better is to try to get better, to want to
of course not but theres a fat difference between trying to recover by going out or having a positive mindset and going straight to the exact source of your misery (which mcqueen is), he was suicidal and wants to go back to him, thats just messed up
(i will try my best but this is so hard to try to explain my pont of view in english when i'm french and make it clear)
Well, between the break up and the time where he go back to Mcqueen some times have passed by (like weeks or months since he found a new job and all, so maybe more months), also Ed blamed McQueen for the situation he was in (with the fact that it was revealed that he was a porn actor and all), but in those months apart from McQueen he had the time to think again about everything without the "shock", and yes he was at the worst since he had no money, and he just didn't find a way out, so he was depressed but sometimes you want to die one day and the one after you realize that you can live on, and you begin to think that you are going to be okay
And sometimes, the person that hurt you the most is also the person that can help you the most, and with time passing by he realised that he still loved him no matter what, and yeah it is a little bit messed up but I mean everything isn't perfect in life
Also I think that the source of his misery is more Chang than McQueen
The same but in french haha :
Entre la rupture et le moment où ils se sont retrouvés du temps a passé, probablement même des mois sont passés, et Ed en a voulu à McQueen à cause du fait que son travail en temps qu'acteur pornographique a été révélé, hors il a eu du temps pour regarder cette situation, sa situation, avec plus de distance lors de ces mois, et il s'est rendu compte qu'ils avaient tout deux des torts et qu'il avait été injuste avec McQueen, que ce qui l'avait fait se sentir aussi misérable n'était pas plus McQueen que ses propres choix (mon avis)
Et quelques fois, par moments tu te sens déprimé, tu as l'impression que la seule façon d'en finir c'est mourir, et puis le jour suivant tu te rends compte qu'il y a d'autres moyens car il y a toujours d'autres moyens, et tu te rends compte que tu peux aller mieux, et je pense que Ed aurait pu pardonner McQueen directement si Chang n'était pas arrivé et ne l'avait pas violé entre temps, car il avait déjà eu le temps d'être en paix avec sa situation
Aussi, parfois la personne qui te blesse le plus est aussi la personne qui peut te donner le plus grand réconfort, et Ed s'est rendu compte qu'il aimait toujours McQueen peu importe ce qui s'était passé entre eux, et oui c'est un peu perturbant mais c'est juste comme la vie est
Et je pense que la source du malheur d'Ed est plus Chang que McQueen en fin de compte
Sorry for the long text, and it is just my opinion
d'accord d'accord je respecte ton point de vue eeeeet c'est tout le français que je peux parler
tbh I know love makes no sense and anyone who has experienced it can agree to that but the thing is I dont see love at all between ed and glenn, only a strong physical attraction
why I think that? well the lack of dates, whenever theyre alone they only have sex, ed fell in love after they filmed a porno and a lot more stuff
but what pretty much sold me the idea of "ed doesnt actually love glenn" is that ed never told him about the debt, that was a m a s s i v e redflag, the debt is pretty much the centerpoint of this story and the fact that ed didnt trust mcqueen enough to speak about it speaks volumes, they havent been dating for 2 days its been a while and its not like the debt is something private that hes trying to hide, his friends (derek and youyu) knew about it but he didnt tell his lover? yeah, nah, this aint it
and nah, glenn actually broke him, after chang raped him ed tried to get back at him told him "I want to make you miserable too" even if he was also hurt bc of mcqueen he still had strength to face chang so idk about you but to me: what mcqueen did>>>what chang did
haha, c'est déjà bien
Well, I see your opinion, I still disagree but I can understand where it comes from
"you weren't that important to me"
suuuuuuuuuuuuure thing, lady, I believe you
chang was (pretty much) ed's older brother when they were growing up, theyve known each other for 10ish years so nah, he is important
feels like ed is in denial or something
He's talking about it in a romantic way. He is "important" through the fact that he literally ruined eds life but I think Ed is saying that he doesn't mean anything to him after he raped him. Though he was a brother figure in his life, but not a very good one.
nah, ed ruined his own life, chang aint an innocent lamb but he wasnt the one who came up with the dumb idea of filming porn, maybe its bc the rape but with easy he got over it and how he accepted glenns apology I dont think that would be too big of a deal either
last time I mentioned novel details that didnt appear in the webtoon a shitstorm was formed but basically its false that ed never thought something "romantic" of chang and chang was also a decent brother figure when growing up
hello, idk when this will update so in case you're curious here's what's going to happen:
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Chapter 5: Subaru confesses his feelings (had them since elementary school), sprays pheromones at Megumi and ties him down. Tsugumi's outside the house, wondering whether he should enter or not but decides to get in.
Back inside the house, Megumi struggles, Subaru talks about Megumi wanting to be a good pair for an omega bc of the situation with his mother but says he doesn't want to let Tsugumi have him and then gives Megumi the succ.
Megumi's still outside and calls Megumi. Subaru answers and says "we're doing it". Tsugumi gets mad not bc Megumi is doing it with another guy but bc Megumi was home but wasn't answering (? I don't get this and I don't wanna recheck bc lazy but the thing is Tsugumi doesn't get mad at Megumi being with another guy)
Back inside, Subaru starts talking about how omegas seduce alphas and that's the reason why Megumi likes Tsugumi so he decides to ride Megumi's peen. Just when they're about to do it Tsugumi breaks a glass wall, sees what they were about to do, gets disgusted and pukes. Then he starts yelling and hitting Megumi for letting himself be touched by a guy like Subaru.
K, I got bored writing so Imma speed it up. Subaru admits what happened and says its unfair bc omegas have it easy with alphas, tsu gets mad and says being an omega is annoying but he never blames his gender for his problems, subaru leaves, when hes outside he thinks about what tsu just said
after cleaning and a bath, theyre both in megs room, tsu says meg is goddamn lame for letting subaru have his way with him, tsu gets mad bc thinking of their relationship with megs been messing with his head and then kisses him. Megs surprised bc he never takes the initative, they argue a bit and tsu finally admits he loves him, everyones shook including me, then they fuck. While fucking tsu says its ok if meg bites him and then theres a close up of him biting him???? did he actually do it??? who knows, thatll be in vol 3
kokonoe highschool, subaru and meg talk, subaru says hes ashamed he couldnt say respond tsus thoughts in not blaming his gender for his problems but states he wont give up on meg
yamada house, tsugumi says he and megumi became a pair, his neck was bitten, his parents are like bruh, harutsugu starts yelling and fin
ch6/kuroji to harutsugu: kuroji and his mom are talking, kuro has a strong sense of justice about omega/alpha problems, his mom tells him to find a good alpha husband to $$$, kuro mentions he never has experienced heat and thinks hes a beta
le cliché chikan scene, random alpha is harrasing random omega, kuro intervenes, alpha is about to answer but harutsugu appears and they shoo the alpha away
after that haru and kuro chat for a bit, haru gets embarassed, he reveals hes been observing kuro for 3 weeks, he thought he looked cool when he saved someone and then fell in love, says he aint a stalker but kuro thinks he is so he flees
at school, kuro reflects about omega heat (first time seeing it) and then about haru, first he says hes a good guy and then says hes dangerous
at home, haru appears, he wants to see kuro, mom notices haru has coin and forces kuro to go with him
le date, they have a nice time, kuro still wary but then warms up, haru says despite anything he wont give up on him, kuro is shook bc harus words and then heat, his first heat so he scared, they go to a hotel, haru doesnt plan to touch him but kuro wants him, he a s k s f o r h i s d (so yay, consensual) they fuck
back at home, mom is like here comes the money $$$, haru and kuro chat on the phone, theyre gonna have another date and fin
Extra 1: after sex scene, tsu wants to cuddle, he still a bit shy doe, tsu notices his body and realizes he looks like he has chickenpox, tons of kiss marks, he gets mad then they about to fuck but his stomach starts growling and they have dinner instead
Extra 2: discussion about pet names, tsu wants meg to say "Want me buy you pancakes?"
Extra 3: Haru was out for 3 days so he imagines if kuro needed him
Extra 4: Tsu is thankful bc meg helped him pass his tests, meg wants a reward kiss so tsu shoves a hot meat bun on megs face, burning him, he thinks of that as an indirect kiss tho
Vol 3, Ch 1: Meg reflects on his relationship with tsu, a week later, theyre at megs place, tsu wants to netflix and chill.
But he really meant it, they been watching netflix for 3 hours, tsu attempts to cuddle a bit but meg takes it the sexual way and says lets fuck, tsu doesnt want to but meg doesnt give up and they fuck. After that meg asks you didnt want to and tsu says if he didnt want to then meg would be half dead. Tsu then mentions becoming a pair doesnt feel different and wonders what would happen to his heat. Meg is like bruh..
Yamada house, Meg on his knees apologizing in front of haru and tsugu, he never bit tsu and they aint a pair but he wants to do it in the future. Parents say they still young and need to talk to megs parents. Meg is uneasy bc his dad is a little bitch but kuro says if they cant figure it our hell go with haru and talk with him.
After that, Megumi and Tsugumi are chilling on some park, they talk a bit about megs fathers situation, tsu casually says he loves meg again and meg is happy.
tsu's school, tsu is anger bc bread sold off and starts fighting other yankees, theres a new guy watching all the chaos, tsu says "If you're so tall don't stand silent like that. You have to be more aggressive" and later new guy sighs "Yamada Tsugumi..." so hes prolly a rival and fin
My wrists are screaming so yeah, hopefully this helped
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daaaaaamn, chang be throwing shade at mcpimp inside his own house, in front of his woman and his sidebitches
I can respect that
died at "mcpimp"
bitch its 3 am and i broke out laughing when i saw "mcpimp" i cant-
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA