My opinion: anyone here ought to be able to tear into a every aspect of this manga without drawing fire of a personal nature from another commenter. Your and my perspective might be totally different, but I don't think anyone should have to justify themselves for giving even the harshest of criticisms of this manga. Defending a character in a story with a criticism on the commenter. This is my opinion but that seems rude to me.
The same with the author. Anyone here has every right to rip the author to pieces if that's how they feel and think. The commenter shouldn't have to pay for their opinion.
dojun's smaller cuter and just as feisty as I remember him in season one. He had no problem being such a rude little prick to Doc when they first met, which was so fun, and Doyun showed some real fear of Dojun when he went back home to visit his mom.
so I wonder if Dojun's contrary little ass is going to show those tears, or if Doc's going to have to relentlessly pursue them. I love this couple.
Dojun's buying the drinks this time. He is full of surprises. LOL
Sorry i was meant to upvote Σ( ￣□￣||)
hey, I'll upvote me for you. LOL okay? in all my
humility. (￣∇￣")
ah, John Prine died today from complications from Covid 19.
Who’s that?
king, he was a singer songwriter, wrote some really deep lyrics.. Bob Dylan and Kris Kristopherson were big fans of his.
How old was he? That’s sad
He was pretty old, you know? Viet Nam era like Dylan. You like music? The guy I've always been his biggest fan is Leonard Cohen. He's an older guy, too, but his music is everywhere like movies and stuff. He's definitely worth a listen. Now I'm trying to check all the older artists I like to see how they're doing. You're so nice to ask.
Idk about nice. I was just curious. I like music but i can’t remember names or anything so it’s hard for me to be a huge fan.i do like meeting people who are tho. It’s always nice to see someone in love with something. Just happy talking about it. Id say your the real nice one checking up on singers and everything while everyone’s just basically looking out for themselves.
you have me curious now! what are you in love with?
I’m not very passionate about anything lol. I guess you could say I’m in love with people. It’s a lil cheesy. But I like hearing other people’s stories and why they like things and why they don’t. It’s a lot of fun for me to try to figure a person out. My personality usually doesn’t show it tho. I’m very upfront about my feelings and usually extreme so I say love and hate a lot. It gets me into troubles. But I like seeing people’s flaws not that I can always stand them. It’s just nice to hear about what a persons been through and look at how they turned out I guess. I really like curve ball people that you’d never expect that happened to them. So anyways I guess you could say I’m in love with people.
have you read "All About Lust" There's an unusual character in there that reminds me of you.
Can I email something to you?
dojun's a little bitch, or don't you remember the first season? The only guy who can handle his domineering little ass is Doc.
I'd say that Dojun's entire self is in denial. I think from the start it was not so much drunk as unable to handle the difference between who he really is and who he thinks he has to be. Denial is powerful stuff.
Now it's not so much needing to tell Doc off and never see him again, which is what he thinks he's going to do, as it is needing to see Doc again because he can open up to Doc and because the sex felt so good with Doc.
Doc is the one I relate to because he loves to bark but he's not so much into biting as he is into playing, and he likes to play a little rough, but he's never going to bite, not too hard at least. LOL
the Kuroshitsuji comment section is as pleasant, nice, fun, and tolerant as any I've ever seen. I said a few bad things about mei rin, and nobody jumped down my throat or declared me public enemy no. 1. People here are willing to discuss things reasonably, answer questions, you can get a little tiffy at times without people here declaring war . Maybe kuroshitsuji is a more mature readership since it's been around so long
This discussion is bringing a little tear to my eye for all the good times I've had, sitting in a bar, drunk on my ass, and then leaving that bar with someone, fully knowing what I was doing and also knowing how hard I was consenting. and it was really hard! I don't know about the rest of you stiffs, but I can be drunk - very drunk - and know fully well what the hell I'm doing and who I'm doing it with.The next day I know what I did and who I did it with. Nothing comes as any big eye opener like "oh no. what have I done!"
It's not like that, and you guys sure are dumb. LOL Good times. LOL
1. Doctor wasn't some stranger from the bar. He knew him beforehand and knew the older bro wouldn't sleep with him if he wasn't intoxicated.
2. He got him drunk purposefully so he would take advantage of him.
3. The guy was so drunk, he hardly could walk and didn't remember most of that night. He also passed out in the middle.
Sorry but it's clear rape.
Also educate yourself how alcohol affects people's behaviour and logical thinking because I see you have some imaginary + subjective pov on that matter.
Well haahhh good for you that u still know what you do but has it ever cross your mind that not everybody is like you, numerous people, numerous people who you could've just asked but u really had to flaunt ur idiocy that much?? Oh I'm sorry I forgot that ur a degenerate pardon me
There has been a couple of times that I got very drunk and couldn't remember anything from the night before
no, sorry. I'm normal. most people are the same as me. If you have no experience with alcohol, why are you opening your mouth?
First, I'm sick to death of that stupid-ass mistake: the word is PURPOSELY not purposefully.
2. I'm sick of you people casually throwing "he doesn't remember" around like it's something that can happen just about any old time, like a couple of drinks can cause "he doesn't remember." Let me tell you something. You're being ridiculously casual about something very serious and dangerous called a blackout. You have to be extremely drunk to have a blackout. For a normal person that's like drinking all evening one drink after another with shots all along the way. It's like ten mixed drinks and ten shots minimum. It's an entire night of drinking hard. Doc and Dojun were not in that kind of situation.
Stop trivializing. A person who has a blackout is usually someone who has a real problem with alcohol. SHUT UP with the "he didn't remember" because it's immature, childish, and you and the rest need to be corrected about it.
Nobody gets someone drunk. Welcome to adulthood. You're responsible for how much you drink. these guys are in their thirties. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.
nope. I'm an adult, a very smart one who knows what's what. Stop being so disrespectful
Don't make me laugh. I'm 4th year medical student so believe me I know very well how alcohol affects human nervous system. Anyone who finished HS or middle school should have such knowledge.
Educate yourself. People have different tolerance to alcohol. Omg I can't believe people like you exist and are aDuLt.
I passed out myself after few shots. Seriously nc.
And your reading comprehension is as poor as your education because it was literally SHOWN that he remember few moments of that night.
OMFG if you are 30 you can't be taken advantage of? You are embarrassing yourself.
Remembers*
And I'm not native.. sorry for some mistakes
And South Korean law
Further, and most important for the South Korean context, consent cannot be given if the victim is intoxicated. And intoxication does not require an alcohol induced coma but includes an amount of drink equivalent to drunk driving. Physical resistance is not required to show a lack of consent.
come on. everyone's tolerance is different. I shouldn't have to make that disclaimer every single time I talk.
You fell asleep (passed out) after having a few drinks. That's not anything like a blackout. Educate yourself and be glad you've never had one. Don't repeat the same bad information. Also, for chrissakes, I hope you learned from your mistake not to pass out and cause your friends inconvenience.
lol what are you going to do about it, make a citizen's arrest?
I had a block out. I didn't remember one thing of that night. Sorry to disappoint.
Also what are we even talking about. It was literally SHOWN he doesn't remember.
And as someone said. By fuckin South Korean law: it was rape.
man, you can't even spell it. -Your claim was that you "passed out." not the same as a black out.
-A law is only valid if it can be enforced. That law can't be enforced. Use your brain, man.
-Dowan said he didn't remember, then it was literally SHOWN that the doc caught him in his lie. You're supposed to get the subtext, especially when it's sexy.
-So, what did you do in your blAck out? Did you end up getting your *** ******. Tell the tale, man. Give details.
-Oh, by the way, child, have you done your homework?
I'm sincere when I say this. Be extremely careful, please. I'm not trying to be condescending. Blackouts are dangerous, and if you have a lot of them, please talk to someone about it. AA has meetings all over the world in every town.
*Dojun
As I said I'm not native so in the begining I though the blackout and passed out are synonymous . Also you can have blackout and passed out in the middle.
OMFG you are stupid. It was shown he remember pieces. PIECES. It doesn't take genius to guess what happened when your ass is throbbing, you have hickeys, you woke up naked beside other naked human being. Also he remembered pieces of that night. So he was drunk af.
Also how that law can't be enforced lmfao?
By law it was rape, clear and simple. You can able your bs all you want but you won't change reality.
And some advice: don't sleep with drunk people .
Blabla*
jesus christ. An alcohol induced coma is different than a blackout. wtf?
I would never have known. Your English is excellent. Please pardon me for giving such a rough correction if English isn't your first language.
you're no fun at all. LOL
When you grow up you're expected to know and take responsibility for all of your actions, not just some. Even if someone tricks you into bed, it's still on you to keep your own shit together enough to know better than to let it happen. Otherwise why don't you just run home and tattle on him to your mommy and daddy? See how far that gets you. Or run to the cops. See how much they're going to laugh at your childish ass.
duh. get real. I think most of you people are just too young to understand and appreciate autonomy.
This seems like your blaming the victims of rape buddy
Check your reality mate because you are delusional.
Dude you need to stop. Please don't spread this crap. Drunk people are legally unable to give informed consent and you can be charged for touching anyone sexually if they don't give informed consent.
Damnnnn. Victim blaming now are we???? Next u gon say "u ShOulD DrESs d ProPer WaY beCuS u KnoW mEn, tHe oUtcOme Is ObViOus" . Honestly MASSIVE FUCK YOUU. Its my first to directly attack a outright mentally impaired people and you surely deserve it. LETS GET ONE THING CLEAR no one is ever responsible on how a certain human acts. I badly really hope you get rape and realize the victims pov. I'd be seriously laughing my ass off and hopefully a really close friend at that, thatll never even cross your mind that will betray you. hAHa Y u eVen HaNg OuT WiTh MeN u DeF KNeW d woRst OuTcOme sO y U sTilL LiKe tO hOe uRseLf oUt
LOL you're so full of it! You can go through life as a victim if you want. Try it out. See how far it gets you.
You're living in a nursery school fairy tale. Unless you can show real physical injury, the cops are not even going to file a report. grow up.
A perfect example of how no one can write without revealing themself.
South Korean law is rather clear on the matter:
Further, and most important for the South Korean context, consent cannot be given if the victim is intoxicated. And intoxication does not require an alcohol induced coma but includes an amount of drink equivalent to drunk driving. Physical resistance is not required to show a lack of consent.
Not single one of you has specifically stated what you mean by "drunk." I've asked. Still no answer. You have no idea what drunk is, what it's like, how it happens, how much alcohol it takes, what kind of alcohol, how long does it last etc etc.etc etc. It's a huge body of info that you have no idea about. None of you do. You're just parroting each other and hoping for safety in numbers. You're all being ridiculous, but still, you're kind of funny LOL
Don't expect me to explain it all. You need to learn that kind of thing at home or school.
I fuckin can't with you. There is NO specific amount of alcohol which makes you drunk because people have DIFFERENT tolerance. The behaviour, symptoms are the most important factor.
Except for extremely rare cases, people fall within certain ranges, and if you're mature and reasonable, the general characteristics within those ranges can be intelligently discussed. Saying everyone has a different tolerance is not valid when the discussion is this general. I shouldn't have to explain that.
It must be that those who are arguing are too young, because no one is this stupid. It's too bad you don't have to show your ID to read yaoi
You are stupid or you are playing one. It was shown guy could barely walk, passed out and has memory loss, he remembers some pieces. By Korean law person who was drinking can't give consent. And you are still here saying it wasn't rape. When doctor who was acting all sober took advantage of the guy who he KNEW wouldn't sleep with him if he wasn't drunk. He got him drunk with purpose to sleep with him.
FIND the place where I said it wasn't rape. I don't think in terms of consent, non com, rape, or any of this nonsense because it's just rhetoric. It has almost no meaning in the real world. Kids today think they can wrap themselves up in these words like they're security blankets, like the world revolves around laws, courts, jails, lawyers, police, consent, defenders of justice blah blah blah. I've never given consent. I didn't need to. No one stops in the middle of lovemaking to ask permission like, mommy may I? If you think you can call the cops and get a conviction in a case like dojun and the doc, you're delusional. The law is not going to rescue you from real life. Be responsible. Don't put yourself in a position where you could get raped. The chances of any of you being a victim of real rape where someone goes to jail for doing it to you are slim.
If the doc raped dojun, dojun's options are: get really really mad at doc and yell at him. LOL Or: Dojun can refuse to see the doc again, or he can do both. that's it.
Doc is not a rapist. Do you realize how hysterical you sound accusing normal people of rape all the time?
I can think of several ways this consent thing can be turned around on you, and get you in some really deep trouble. Have you thought of that?
Hey y'all before you downvote, consider this...
If this guy was drunk raped why would he ask his rapist out for drinks and then get drunk again?
Obviously we need more flashbacks on what really happened their first time, it may not be as bad as it seems.
Nah I'm pretty sure it is as bad as it seems the only reason they are meeting up again is because of Yaoi logic. A lot of yaois always make the uke and the rapist meet up especially if he is the seme. That is just how they work
You would normally be right....but someone gave me a spoiler alert and said to wait for chpt40...they said all was not as it seems...so probably we'll learn it was consensual
Spoilers
Sigh he was so drunk that doctor had to help him to the bed. He was so drunk he passed in the middle. Yup we got yaoi cliché where he was the one who proposed in the state of complete intoxication sex. Still rapy, still taking advantage of someone in such state is wrong.
Wow is it really hard to wait for the next chapter before deciding on this? Has the first season really been so cliche that this side story shouldn't make anyone think twice? I'm gonna wait and see before judging and see if the author surprises me..