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16 is by no means the target group of pedophiles, pedophiles have a thing for prepubescent (!!) children, 16 hardly fits that lol..

Are you kidding right now

LMAo as op said: Are you kidding right now

Factually, this^ is right. What are you two talking about? Do you even really know what pedophilia actually is, or is it just "any creepy adult guy" to you two? You both talk as though you're right while being wrong.

You are arguing semantics. It doesn't matter if it is not technically pedophilia, it is still predatory behavior coupled with grooming of underaged kids. Sending dick pics to a middle schooler? The man is a sick f*ck and that is all there is to it.

We're not talking about facts, sure if you're hunting 16 year olds rather than 14 year olds you're not teeeechnically pedophilic, but you're still a disgusting predator and an immoral person.

Factually we are morally superior (care about children, vulnerable people, easily impressionable people) and that's why we talk as though we're right. We are right on moral grounds.

The response is to @lia, who WAS pointing out that pedophilia is a specific thing. It's you who're talking outside the conversation, get your emotional tangents out of here.

Tovah used incorrect wording in their OP here, @lia was correcting them and then those two acted like they're stupid. It factually IS NOT pedophilia. It's not a "technicality", it's not "semantics", neither of those terms work here when pedophilia and ephebophilia aren't interchangeable. One is clearly more morally wrong, punished harsher and classified as a mental disorder (pedophilia) while as the other is just considered a sexual preference (ephebophilia). Technicality and semantics refer to similar wording, pedophiles specifically target ages 13-, there is nothing similar about the age ranges. Compare the mentalities and independence, at 13 your parents are still making your food for you. 13- are CHILDREN, ephebophilia is 15-19, YOUNG ADULTS. Get your facts straight before you make incorrect topics and try and act like someone who actually knows what they're talking about is stupid.

Just let it go..they won't get it no matter what you sayy..

Congratulations on having Google I guess. Which country do you live in where a 15-17 y/o is a young adult? A fifteen year old is very easily impressionable and dumb. I know, I was one. There's nothing morally ok with targeting people at high school age. As I said, it's still illegal in a lot of *democracies* for a reason, but the most wrong thing is buying love or consent with gifts and financial support. That's illegal to do to a minor or someone much younger no matter what age, even in Korea.

Are you done? You aren't right. Factually. I'm not going to continue arguing with you. Maybe you should use google too so you can understand the meaning of the words you're throwing around. You sound like one of those people that argues that everything is rape.

And you sound like the strawman Christian people think atheists are. I hate that strawman. But yeah, sure, I'm done. Cya.

Predatory Behavior is PREDATORY BEHAVIOR! Period. DOT. END OF STORY.

Actually, let me expand on both my earlier statements. When I said you are arguing semantics, YOU ARE. While Pedophilia and Ephebophilia are not interchangeable terms, they are BOTH types of PREDATORS. All you are arguing is WHAT KIND OF A PREDATOR HE IS. THAT is arguing semantics. Because he is STILL a PREDATOR. Doesn't matter what KIND of predator. A Ephebophile is no less dangerous than a pedophile is. NOR are either less or more dangerous than a rapist of adults would be. They are ALL predators.

No, if they mean "predator", they need to say "predator". Not "pedophile".

haha thanks, but i knew i was going to get those replies, i just don't like it when people throw around pedophilia like that, or using pedophile as a synonym for perpetrator, because a sexuality is not a crime in itself, and in most cases it's not pedophiles who rape children, but they mostly become victims just because they are 'easier' than adults. generally, rape is often more about dominance than sexual attraction.

but if they think having the hots for/fucking a 16 year old and a 6 year old is the same, than that actually raises a lot of questions imho lol ..

To be clear, pedophilia isn't a sexuality, it's a mental disorder. But yes, i do agree that pedophile and pedophilia are used incorrectly entirely too much. All pedophiles are predators, but not all predators are pedophiles.

well, too lazy to go into it too deep but there is some controversial opinion about whether it's a mental disorder or a sexuality, aside from being defined by a psychiatrist, there are also different definitions even as a mental disorder, that in some cases even state opposites of each other..interestingly, ICD sees it as a sexual preference, and DSM-5 kinda ignores that, and it counts as pedophilia as long as you sexually assault children, no matter if you're actually into children at all, or only into children. but imo it doesn't matter much, because a child can never give informed consent, so whether it's a sexuality or a sexual preference born out of a 'mental disorder', it can never be legal or morally accepted.. but both definitions don't include 16 year old teens haha

I view DSM-5 as the definitive answer, personally. It makes sense that it'd still be pedophilia if the child was age 13-, sexual attraction isn't the definitive detail in identifying pedophilia, age range is. Thanks for the chat. :^)

Honestly, i can't possibly see pedophilia as a sexuality. I agree with something i just saw. Gay, straight and Bi people are able to build a life with someone, grow old with them. Pedophilia isn't like that, pedophiles just want to fuck children they're attracted to and move on to the next. It isn't about love, they don't want anyone over the age of 13. Once the child is no longer attractive to them they can't help but move on to the next. I entirely disagree with the idea that Pedophilia could even possibly be a sexuality.

as i said, i don't want to go to deep into it, that's a whole other discussion (DSM-5 cares not about age range by the way, it's pretty much the same, it cares about the behaviour (as in, you touch them sexually, you're a pedophile, even if you aren't interested in children and just wanted to relieve yourself sexually))

so all i will say is: first of all, pedophiles still can be gay, bi or hetero, meaning having a preference for a gender. so i wouldn't put pedophilia next to those categories anyway. normal adult relationships have the prospect of a working relationship, yes, like i said, which can never happen with pedophilia. there can never be a healthy morally acceptable relationship. but that's not a standard for sexuality, the other person not being able to reciprocate your feelings has little to do with your own, has it? you're implying that other sexualities don't just want to fuck, only have sex with love or under the prospect of romance, and we know this isn't true either. (and asexuals, somewhat the exact opposite, exist too) just fucking and going to the next is not the opposite to sexuality in anyway. (there are also pedophiles who claim they romantically loved the child, however that works) on top of that, saying that pedophiles not loving or being attracted to the children sexually anymore after a certain age (which can be 2 different things anyway) means it's not a sexuality is also not an argument, not being attracted after physical changes of any kind is common for us all, especially (!) if there is no love involved. and i think if gender can be a huge matter, than the bodily changes after puberty can be too. sexuality generally isn't strictly defined, nor do we really understand how sexuality works, and sexuality, sexual preferences and sexual orientation is often used as one o

Sorry for replying but jeez. We are talking about a fictional character who is either a pedophile or just a underage fetish predator depending on who sent that picture, right? Because sending dickpics to 13-14 year olds, even if that is after the Korean age limit it's pedophilic behavior. Note that boys enter puberty later than girls, at around 12-16. He's a pedophile and if it turns out that he didn't send the pic and that what he likes about the mc bloke is not his developing pecs then you are free to idk gloat all you want.

Imma have to mute this shit now cos these fake updates keep getting me annoyed as shit

Fine, i'll limit this to my last response on this topic since you don't want to talk much about it. I have 2 things to say.

1. You mention how the DSM-5 doesn't care about age, but that simply isn't true, it clarifies "prepubescent children". Pedophilia is identified by age range in every definition of pedophilia there is.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prepubescent

There is no argument to be had in the DSM-5, Prepubescent means "before puberty". The age 13- refers to the fact that, generally, puberty hasn't started yet at that age range.

2. Sexuality gears towards sex with a life and reproduction as the end goal, it's engrained in our biology. Gays are just wired to respond to their own sex. Neither of which are possible for Pedophiles. Sexuality also doesn't have that predatory approach. There is a huge difference between looking at a potential partner and a pedophile looking for a child by themselves that they can trick into seclusion. The two just, aren't the same in approach or outcome.

It seems like you're trying to argue that pedophilia could be a sexuality, but you don't want any talk-back, so i'll leave it short and simple and say that the theory isn't based in any facts, it's a shallow comparison.

hah, honestly, 'you don't want any talk-back', the reason i don't want any is that i personally really don't care too much, nor care in any way how YOU view it. i just explained my opinion because you said you cannot 'accept' that i used the word sexuality in one of my answers briefly but then you did go and talked about a lot of things that..don't really back up what you said. it's you who felt the need to even start this discussion because 'they cannot love them so this isn't a sexuality?1?!' as i said it is an controversial topic (!) so i'm really not into having a discussion about something idc too much about, nor do i see you as a person, not meant in an offending way, that really has much to say about this in any way, as you already showed with your responses.

"sexual attraction isn't the definitive detail in identifying pedophilia, age range is. " that's what you said and i referred to, when i said that DSM-5 doesn't care about the age range but the behaviour..because what argument is that for choosing DSM-5, like ICD doesn't include age range or what? i mean..that was YOUR point? and i am sorry that you seriously doubt other people that literally had a discussion with you about pedophilia aren't aware of the fact that it's not pedophilia without considering age lol. i even explained that behaviour part in my answer..

there is not too much i can say about 2 honestly, because it's not backed up by any facts nor does the argumentation work out IF it would be true (again). you say gays are wired to respond to the same sex but apparently, pedophiles cannot be wired in any way that would make offsprings impossible? (or again, asexuals) what would that even mean for a homosexual pedophile? and yes, like i already said, pedophiles are gay, bi or hetero too.
also, it gets really complicated if we consider that most pedophiles don't even seek out sexual intercourse with children, but are already satisfied with touching (not even the genitals but 'normal' touching). generally, pedophiles aren't all the same. they are all fucking human beings and just like you and i, they don't share the same feelings. some would never be with a child because they are aware of how wrong it is (ego-dystonic sexual orientation is also a thing and includes pedophilia in ICD), some are content with friendship (generally, most pedophiles seek out friendships with children or work with them, and yes, some really are just 'nice friends' and that's it), some want real relationships and say (as mentioned before) that they love a child romantically. so acting like emotions are completely irrelevant for them when they are in fact relevant to a huge part and claiming they all just seek out to rape children no matter what is just simplifying it to no ends and also using rape in a really strange way to define how it cannot work with sexuality. rape is not bound to a sexuality, nor is reproduction per se. a rapist never gives too much fucks about their victims, that's a defining trait for them but not necessarily for pedophiles.

so as i said before, you can think what you please, you don't have to agree with me whatsoever. i am not interested in discussion it much more, i just said how it could be seen as a form of sexuality and not as a mental disorder, as i said, it's a controversies, there is no definite right or wrong, and we don't really have that much scientific insight in sexuality, love, etc... to find the right or wrong yet. i honestly just bothered to answer because your argumentation for why it can never ever be a sexuality was just so off with the scientific knowledge about pedophilia. unlike you, i actually worked with facts and i could dive a whole lot deeper into this (like how canadian studies proved that normal hetero men can be sexually stimulated by pre-pubescent girls, which i find a little bit odd if pedophilia is often explained by 'traumatic childhood they want to compensate for', and a few hundred years ago, it was also completely normal for a lot of (mostly men) people to have sexual relationships with children or young teens) etc. but again, why lol? so merry christmas i guess haha

Sure?

Same.

There was sake in that chocolate. XD he probably ate tons of it xdd

lmaoooooo i think he just ate one piece tho

There are plenty of people who like him. He's been fleshed out since he was introduced as well, he seems like a good guy from his interactions with Seunghee.

To me he just seems like a guy who wants to fuck a minor. The gifts aren't gestures showing he's kindhearted, they're the same thing as giving candy to children etc. He's trying to look trustworthy to get to his goal using gifts.

That's the point, to make him look shady. The story is discussing right now how he actually feels about Seunghee while ss the president has been pushing home that he's just a predator.

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