cxxrx December 25, 2020 10:27 am

both sides of the family are rich af,, i want what he has

cxxrx December 24, 2020 3:18 pm

the mc being an ace was an idea but being ace does not necessarily come from trauma. from my perspective, he was never an ace. he's got these sexual desires but he couldn't let himself think of any sexual thoughts on another person bec it makes him feel horrible and triggers the discomfort that his mom and her boyfriends made him go through. i might be wrong but i think that him not wanting any sexual relationship has nothing to do with him being ace, it was his trauma that stops him.

for the recent update, i am not too sure how to take this consent bc the ml was somewhat very manipulative on the mc bc he does have motive for getting the mc to do sexual stuff. i get that he's trying to help but i guess it's a me thing bc his approach made me uncomfortable, not that i have any idea how to help a person with trauma. i could def see that the ml showing the mc that he could be the subject of his sexual desire bc he consents will be a very big help to the mc

    Ish26 December 24, 2020 3:21 pm

    I agree. The MC needs to got bit by but and let his friend go at a pace he’s comfortable at or else he’s just like the guy’s mom.

    ChugChug December 24, 2020 3:31 pm

    He’s not an ace tho, and the other guy has expressed guilt he felt for forcing him to that stuff anyways, he even said, he didn’t feel like he should be exposing the truth if he doesn’t want to.

cxxrx December 24, 2020 6:25 am

not @ people suddenly switching up and saying no one should end up together just bc their ship isn't sailing anyways joohae cuties

and not @ people blaming haesoo!?? did you read?? imagine slandering hs when hs never even led on tk in the first place. he even persistently said no to taku but trickass lil shit wont take no for an answer and even until now, he continues to be obsessive and controlling bc hs went to jw bc of an accident?? the fact that <spoiler>in the recent chapters, when they broke up, tk had the audacity to guilt trip haesoo for going to joowon instead of his after party?? miss me with his bullshit<spoiler>

stop blaming haesoo for the shit taku chose to involve himself in. even hs didn't want his ass but taku insisted that hs can use him and he did what are yall mad for?? tk got what he wanted but now hs got tired of playing his game, hs had every right to walk tf away.

taku deserves better blah blah, no he doesn't?? he deserves that shit. he inserted himself ON HIS OWN ACCORD without hs manipulating and forcing his ass!! between him and hs, it is HAESOO WHO DESERVES BETTER than being manipulated and being used as tool to satisfy a manchild's wants so he doesn't throw a tantrum

    やおいはかんぺき December 24, 2020 6:31 am

    Preach it sis! I couldn't have worked it better!

    gardenfairy December 24, 2020 7:15 am

    PREACH PREACH
    all the ppl victimizing taku in the comments and pulling the "taku deserves better than haesoo", "haesoo mistreated him" bullshit disgust me. i-it's almost like they didn't read the story.

    Milky™ December 24, 2020 7:02 pm
    PREACH PREACHall the ppl victimizing taku in the comments and pulling the "taku deserves better than haesoo", "haesoo mistreated him" bullshit disgust me. i-it's almost like they didn't read the story. gardenfairy

    maybe bc he does lmao- taku told him to use him, but still taku deserves better than that, lmao

    gardenfairy December 24, 2020 7:43 pm
    maybe bc he does lmao- taku told him to use him, but still taku deserves better than that, lmao Milky™

    “Taku deserves someone who likes him back”
    Stop with yalls unecessary haesoo slander is all im saying

    Milky™ December 25, 2020 6:53 am
    “Taku deserves someone who likes him back”Stop with yalls unecessary haesoo slander is all im saying gardenfairy

    Where was I slandering Haesoo? All I said was Taku deserves the love and care of someone- lmao never said anything bad abt joowon and Haesoo

    gardenfairy December 25, 2020 11:04 pm
    Where was I slandering Haesoo? All I said was Taku deserves the love and care of someone- lmao never said anything bad abt joowon and Haesoo Milky™

    okay well thats fine then.

    a lot of taku stans DO slander haesoo by claiming taku is too good for haesoo or some bs like that. that's what i meant. "taku deserves better than haesoo" can have two different meanings if you consider that

    Milky™ December 26, 2020 5:28 am
    okay well thats fine then.a lot of taku stans DO slander haesoo by claiming taku is too good for haesoo or some bs like that. that's what i meant. "taku deserves better than haesoo" can have two different meani... gardenfairy

    And haesoo deserves better than jowoon. Jowoon literally r^ped him.... The inly person who was really bad was Jowoon. Haesoo and Taku may have been manipulative, but Jowoon was a whole different level. I just hope Haesoo and Jowoon can work their stuff out and Taku find someone who won’t use him.

    gardenfairy December 26, 2020 10:26 am
    And haesoo deserves better than jowoon. Jowoon literally r^ped him.... The inly person who was really bad was Jowoon. Haesoo and Taku may have been manipulative, but Jowoon was a whole different level. I just h... Milky™

    you're dumb. joowon raped him? JOOWON RAPED HIM WHERE. WHERE??
    maybe read this thread if you're that thick and you cant understand joohae dynamics, especially when it comes to sex: https://twitter.com/joohaes/status/1340059953155870721?s=20
    (read the quote retweets while youre at it. altho not all of those are particularly helpful lol)

    taku/haesoo dubcon is what's actually sickening considering they have no established history and sexual understanding between each other and it's just constant pressure from one end to the other.

    gardenfairy December 26, 2020 10:41 am
    you're dumb. joowon raped him? JOOWON RAPED HIM WHERE. WHERE??maybe read this thread if you're that thick and you cant understand joohae dynamics, especially when it comes to sex: https://twitter.com/joohaes/st... gardenfairy

    aight i take back the "youre dumb" part cause i realize, maybe yeongdam wasnt clear enough about this and some things were lost in korean translation (as i am a kr translator). but either way, the twitter thread explains things fairly clearly and how anything they did is far from "rape" but rather joowon purposely doing things to provoke/anger the other, and haesoo actually gets off on it (they both do). PLUS, some underlying dom/sub dynamics between them.
    the car scene between joohae was joowon reading the room a little wrong as he was going off their usual dynamics. but when haesoo gave him a hard "STOP", he did clearly stop (plus he looked surprised) and haesoo admits jw wasnt in the wrong to be surprised.

    Milky™ December 26, 2020 4:30 pm
    you're dumb. joowon raped him? JOOWON RAPED HIM WHERE. WHERE??maybe read this thread if you're that thick and you cant understand joohae dynamics, especially when it comes to sex: https://twitter.com/joohaes/st... gardenfairy

    I hope you know saying “stop” is unconsenual.

    gardenfairy December 26, 2020 7:04 pm
    I hope you know saying “stop” is unconsenual. Milky™

    that is really not how things work in many types of dom/sub dynamics. which again, makes sense with joohae who had 10 years to establish this. when haesoo says "stop" in a blatantly serious tone, with a physical indicator, you can see that joowon actually stops.

    cannot say the same for taku who barely knows haesoo but loves pulling some dubcon shit on him (the number of times haesoo has said "stop", or "wait", or was unwilling to engage with him lol).

    Milky™ December 27, 2020 10:29 am
    that is really not how things work in many types of dom/sub dynamics. which again, makes sense with joohae who had 10 years to establish this. when haesoo says "stop" in a blatantly serious tone, with a physica... gardenfairy

    Which is just justifying the idea of forcing someone. The scene can be interpreted in different ways depending on your sexual range/knowledge. To me it wasn’t right. I’ve been sexually harassed, so it is just different to me. And yes I shouldn’t use my trauma as an excuse, but to different people, it may be bad, to some it may be fine.

    gardenfairy December 27, 2020 7:29 pm
    Which is just justifying the idea of forcing someone. The scene can be interpreted in different ways depending on your sexual range/knowledge. To me it wasn’t right. I’ve been sexually harassed, so it is ju... Milky™

    Mmmmm no at your first sentence. I mean you can say its up to interpretation, but you cant just totally ignore Haesoo explaining his physical relationship with Joowon. It's not from Joowon's pov or you'd be able to say "yeah he's justifying his own actions" or "he's excusing himself". I just cant read Haesoo's pov and then think its "rape" or "assault". And yeah I've experianced SA as well and I dont think Haesoo's thoughts make it sense to call it that at all.
    I guess we just can't see eye to eye on this but whatever ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

cxxrx December 21, 2020 4:43 pm

idk if the author will make him bad but from what i see, there's nothing wrong with what he's doing so far. sure he can be persistent which is somewhat bothersome to our mc but when his sister tells him off, he tries to be considerate. he doesn't know that hamin and the mc are together so of course he'd also try his best to be with the mc given that he genuinely liked him since they were young. tho i feel like the author would make him do something bad just so the obvious choice would be hamin. that's fine i guess but i would really like to see in stories where mc chose to be with the main lead without antagonizing the third party, feels refreshing.

cxxrx December 16, 2020 12:29 am

he's that blunt ass, sassy character that isn't annoying. he's cute, love how aware he is of his personal feelings and have no qualms on expressing it. really good communication skills which is something rarely seen in romance category. miscommunications are overrated anyways.

cxxrx December 15, 2020 8:31 pm

cry about ur step brother narrative because we don't care, it's been 90+ chapters where they're not even legally binded as brothers but y'all just wanna say it anyways knowing there's no competition between taku and joowon bc haesoo's only choice had always been joowon.

they met when they were 16(? around that age), never even for a second considered each other family and multiple times haesoo even said so whenever joowon brings up the topic. they weren't even raised together for a long time like cherry blossoms after winter couple. so let's cross out the narrative where u think they've been playing family with each other bc they never did taken into account that they met at the age where they can perceive things on their own. bet joowon and haesoo crushed on each other on the first meeting, jw thinking hs is the prettiest person he'd ever meet compared to the trainees and everyone else just proved his feelings will remain consistent for hs. if they have met in different circumstances, not introduced by their parents, they still would've been together minus the angst where they both hold back because of their parents.

if you're uncomfortable that they were step brothers, their parent's divorced already for a long time and joohae's love for each other lasted much longer than the time frame where they're forced to pretend family. if you're still uncomfortable with the fact that they started when they were step brothers despite knowing they never saw each other in that light, neither are they blood related plus the legal marriage between their parents that has long ended then maybe this story is not for you? you might also want to read books other than BL, maybe philosophy so u get that law does not equate to good and morality is on the basis of society but it isn't ethically absolute so you understand other people's perspectives on their relationship instead of thinking we support incest irl??

y'all getting repetitive with that step brother narrative when they aren't even step brothers for a long time now in canon. if u think people who like joowon and haesoo together also supports "incest" in real life then you might have to go outside and touch some grass. anyways, this story is ending and by the end of the day haesoo chooses to be with his StEpBrO, idk, cry about it?? taku never even had a chance if you read the story properly. the story was about joowon and haesoo, hence the title love or hate which are emotions joohae felt for each other, it was never about haesoo and his rebounds.

    gardenfairy December 15, 2020 9:27 pm

    Everything about this rant. YES YES YESSSSSS

    Especially the part about taking a philosophy class abksdkdskskdf
    ppl who really think the law equates to morality without exception need a reality check asap lol

    Nalari December 15, 2020 10:10 pm

    SPILLED.

    Fujoneko December 16, 2020 1:10 am

    They just don't have any more excuses left to shower their hatred upon, that's why they still giving that lame ass excuse

    gardenfairy December 18, 2020 6:19 am
    This reply will be showed after approved! 04zyrx

    no theyre not getting married. it's not 100% confirmed, but extremely likely that they won't.

    And I say that because Haesoo's mom snapped at Joowon's dad and basically said he was the worst. So obviously we can assume she doesnt love him anymore and won't marry him... especially since she doesnt support shipping Haesoo abroad (which joowon's dad is trying to do)

cxxrx December 13, 2020 4:40 am

for the third time just creates a storm inside my heart jfc. the waist touching?? fingers touching inside the elevator?? it thrills me so much, this author knows how to trigger this feelings inside you. i experienced the waist touching and the secretive hand holding too and thr author made me recall how i exactly felt at that moment. the way it's written and drawn makes jt feel like a movie.


if i get money ill definitely buy all the author's works. they're my favorite. they just know how to stir up emotions and make u feel as if u had experienced it too. im looking forward to their future works huhhhuh i wanna support thrm so bad

cxxrx December 9, 2020 6:17 pm

to be honest, i don't really expect much from this story neither the characters. it doesn't have that "serious" mood like loh, i think this is just supposed to be a fun read else it would end up infuriating for the reader.

ive seen a bunch of people saying yahwi never raped jooin but their first time (if i remember right), jooin is not in the right mind to give any consent. i thought we've already established that consent from a drunk person is a no-no specially that jooin doesn't remember shit at all until much later in the story. not to mention the amount of times jooin said no but yahwi kept on going, he doesn't care for the lack of better words. i don't have a problem with people who likes him but he's just really an asshole for me. he treats jooin like shit knowing jooin would come back to him, hell, even though he knows about how jooin feels for him, he keeps on taking advantage of jooin's feelings then he gets jealous when jooin's with cain like bruh you have no right whatsoever especially that you kept treating him like a sex friend??!! i just don't deal with characters like him, the audacity to be that entitled

also, people justifying yahwi about how his backstory could be oh so tragic but jfc, just because you got hurt doesn't give anyone a free pass to be an asshole yknow sure, you might understand that person but doesn't mean it should be tolerated

i do wish jooin knows how to set his boundaries and be consistent with it, this includes him to cain too. cain is cool with me though he really has to work on with lying just to be close to jooin (IF HE'S GUILTY). im curious how the author will give yahwi redemption to be likable, hopefully they don't antagonize cain just to make yahwi look good or sumn.

based on the author's last story, idk if this would be fantasy ish, cain being a dog, yahwi being a cat and them having the stereotypical "personalities" of those animals, seems probable so let's see. they might even make cain bad who's pretending to be good like their other story but i hope not.


also irl, i don't have a problem with "no means no", but i think there are situations to be considered that the absence of yes means no as well. that yes shouldn't be from coercion and the likes, just a genuine yes from a person.

    Kmazz December 9, 2020 6:32 pm

    Well said! I agree 100%

cxxrx December 5, 2020 4:59 pm

i came here knowing it's incest but what i really find to be amusing is how creators just sit there and be like "YES INCEST THATS WHAT I NEED IN THIS STORY, LETS MAKE THEM FULLY BLOOD RELATED TOO" then roll along with it

cxxrx December 2, 2020 6:54 pm

this author is just straight up *chef's kiss*!!!! character design is off the roof, art style is just so sensual that my heart beats so loudly. for some reason i just can't get enough of how well drawn this is HAVE YOU SEEN THE BODY, THE FACE JUST HOW THE SCENARIOS WERE DRAWN AND PORTRAYED?? GODTIER!! the story telling was so good too like the whole time my heart feels like jumping off my chest, the couple was very sweet and cute together.


universe it's me again

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