I feel like author could've eased it in a bit with Heil x River pairing now that they're canon. Don't get me wrong, I ship them so hard but it feels like author keeps going out of her way to assure us, through either River or Nana, don't worry, they won't get together, Khaol was my past, now you're my future, all the time. Remember that good writing = SHOW, NOT TELL, and there's been so much of 'telling'. Am I the only one who doesn't appreciate it whenever author does this?
No, because communication is key. Words are also needed, not only the body
True true
They don't have much issues with communicating - rather, I think my problem maybe been just the script writing. Maybe it's the way some dialogue comes off as straight from a teen novel rubs off wrongly on me. /ponders
This is probably the most well developed character piece any Yaoi has ever seen in a while, especially for Shin, at times it even eclipses the depth of Painter in the night, and instead of giving the recognition the series deserves, all you people could say is 'OMG SHIN YOU BITCH YOURE QUEEN!' Seriously? Did you really read the series just so you could read a stereotypical cliche 'omg I love you let's fuck like bunnies' ending and actually throw a tantrum when you didn't get it?
Don't let the fucking door hit you on the way out. Leave the story to the readers that best know how to appreciate it.
hey I get that some readers don’t deep dive with stories, and this story is a really well developed one, but if the readers enjoy it then let them enjoy it their way. Not everyone has to really “appreciate” the story to read and enjoy it, if some of them make you mad then just leave them be and continue to “appreciate” the story your way
not everyone is going to be writing a 5 page essay about things they like everybody has a different way of expressing how they feel and sometimes they're going to be like Yas Queen while others will go into deeply what they like and that is perfectly fine
I don't think an 'I LOVE YOU SHIN' is gonna solve the problem nor is it what Shin wants to hear. Shin will be PARALYZED with fear if he hears this because it just reinforces what he's frightened of all along: Wolfgang putting SHIN above his kingship and his country without ANY REGARD for his own self. It's the reason why he was so furious and devastated when Wolfgang tested himself out for poison after Shin was out of his mind with worry. The more he sees the lengths Wolfgang would go through for him, the more he despairs because it means if it gets to a certain point, Wolfgang would sacrifice all for Shin, even if it means turning his back on the throne when Shin never wanted this to happen. Shin knows the duties and potential Wolfgang has as a good king, and I will no be surprised if one day Shin decides to remove himself out of the picture because of how much hold he has over the king.
He even requested Wolfgang to have a queen by his side...
I just came here after reading Am I Your Daughter?' And it feels like such fresh air. THIS is how you make a heroine likeable while being able to show her pretty dresses and flowing blond hair and develop her character as well without cramming all the cuteness vomit down your throats omg
Nah i hate that mc, she's always had suprised pikachuu face
Word, I actually want to punch that stupid pikachu face just so her facial expressions can change.
Same for me, my friend. I stop reading that manhwa because its sooo annoying.....
Please understand... NOBODY is against trauma. NOBODY is against regression due to abuse. You have all these amazing theories and comments about abuse and retarded growth, and everyone has a point. The problem is, from the storytelling angle, THE MANHWA ITSELF IS SHALLOW BAD WRITING. Casting pearls before swine. The manhwa is less intelligent than what you make it to be. It is NOT an accurate portrayal of abuse; if it is, it wouldn't have portrayed Hailynn CRYING AND QUESTIONING HERSELF with FLOWERS AROUND HER. The manhwa has NO IDEA about regression theories because it is far more occupied with showing Hailynn's cuteness and dresses. The author has no clue about regression and trauma theories, because if she knew, the manhwa would've commented or narrated about it. She wouldn't constantly have Hailynn take up almost every mega panel just to show her tears and cuteness. Readers are not able to connect with her because how could they when almost every shot of Hailynn is either a fashion show or making irrelevant actions that other manhwa wouldn't even have bothered. Hailynn tripping? DEDICATE A BIG ASS PANEL FOR IT. Hailynn crying? Let's give her one whole page for it. Hailynn running? Let's take up three pages for it. Hailynn's thoughts? REGRESSED. Is it coz of Trauma? The manhwa: "... ლ(´ڡ`ლ)" Girl is in need of character development and author needs to be less in love with her drawings of Hailynn and focus on world building a bit more please. Becase right now, I KNOW NOTHING about everyone else aside from them commenting on how cute she is every time. Sigh.
i get what you're saying about the manhwa being mainly focused on her cuteness, but i feel like it's not mutually exclusive. like she can have a whole full page display of her cuteness or whatever, but that cuteness doesn't take away from her valid experiences and lack of development from her previous life. i'm hoping for some character development in the future or more fleshed out characterization in the coming chapters? it might be just shallow writing for now, but i'm gonna hold out hope for a while longer
I can't take her seriously as an 18 year old reborn soul. I just can't. And I think I know why something doesn't sit right with me the whole time I was reading this.
EVERYTHING about her must be drawn cute. Her reactions in tragedy must be cute and open mouthed. When she runs, it must be cute. When she sleeps, she must be cute. When she walks around and talks, she must be cute. If she chokes on a spoon, she MUST be cute. Her mouth has to be open. ALL THE DAMN TIME. The manhwa shoves it in your face, saying,"look how cute and innocent she is! LET US SPRAY FLOWERS AROUND HER TOO LUL" I'm here saying, ENOUGH ALREADY. IM DONE WITH HER 'O' face. I'm only okay with it if she wields a machete and uses that as her yandere face. INSTANT FAV.
Compare this to Princess in the Dumpster, its updated right next to it at this time, and you'll see why i can't stand this.
Omgg I thought the same thing. I mean she is cute but it feels that's the only thing going for her.Reminds me of Lady Baby ... I mean they shouldn't force it so much but it's still a good read
I was thinking this too but you have to take the fact that she was trapped inside a house for her whole life without much human interaction, into consideration. Maybe because of that she’s so childlike, she didn’t get the chance to have a normal childhood and mature/develop.
I agree I agree. She hasn't developed her social skills (I forgot what it's called) that's why up until now her mind is still childlike. No interactions except when she was abused hence the times he gets scared of adults. We can't blame her if she's still childlike when she wasn't taught or she hasn't seen how adults act.
I guess I kinda agree...but I really hope she gets more character development...But don't get me wrong I still like manhwa I mean I wouldn't read it if I didn't ...It's just my personal opinion I like strong FL it's ofc ok to be weak but the story gets boring quickly
Hahahah i like this better than lady baby (when she's still a baby) though the MC is too dumb for her actual age. But for me childish baby is still better then a mature baby, a talking mature baby no matter how cute she look is tooooo creepy.
I felt uncomfortable with the first few chapters of lady baby and then i directly skip it until she reaches her teens, then my dislike turned into like to that manga.
But i do agree that the Mc need to get more character development tho
I get you 100%. It's not this I have an issue with, it's the artist constantly jamming the cuteness down my throat in every panel, every page. You can see it with the way they've drawn her; EVERY reaction of ^O^ gets a huge ass panel normally laid out for important scenes. It's so annoying omg
AHAHHAHA Thats v true
OMG! Me too. That's the reason why I drop Lady Baby. Tbh, I felt really weird when she starts talking at the age of 6 MONTHS OLD. That felt sooo uncomfortable. I tried for a few more chapters but can't stand it anymore. I get it, she has high pride about her family, but could she acts a bit more according to her physical age? It was kinda disturbing seeing a 3 years old talking about proper noble manners. And the worse thing is that NO ADULTS around her find it's weird. They just naturally accept it as it is. Tbh, I would probably be terrified if a 6 months old baby talking like that to me.
IKR?!!! If there's a real 6 months old baby in front of me that can talk i would be scared "is this baby really a human?" Or "is she possessed by something?", That's why it's weird that no single person questioning her!
*Btw I'm sorry if I'm spamming here
How is Cyril not the ML? He's got better chemistry with Empress, and just imagine the crazy UST and mind games they have with each other before they become canon. Zzzz.
He is the male lead, this has a reverse harem ending
WAIT REALLY SPOILERS PLEASE
I read the spoilers a while ago so I might be wrong but she ends up marrying all three of them ,eusto, felix and cyril
THANK YOU FOR SPOILING IM HAPPY WE GET A REVERSE HAREM
T-t-three?! Of them!? Holy shit
WAT.
Well... at least Cyril is included as well, his type NEVER WINS ILL TAKE WHAT I CAN GET.
Am I the only one who feels awkward with the fact that the Emperor wants to marry her because she reminds him of his mother. I mean, she raised him as her son for decades, and in the next timeline, she's gonna be his wife. Um... (⊙…⊙ )
I feel so uncomfortable, I actually want to skip this arc. I know su Luxia is only treating this as a game but I still feel it's weird
THAT WAS EXACTLY HOW I FELT-
BUT THAT KISS WAS CUTE XD
A bit.but now.nope
Not really? I mean... I felt that's exactly why she asked him that... if he was projecting su luxia on her or is he was attracted to herself.
Also... it's been many years for her since then, he wasn't really her son, neither by flesh nor soul. He was very attached to her but I don't think they loved each other as mother and son.
Again... no blood relations in the past nor present. And is not like she groomed him or was attracted to him in the first act. So I see no problems... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
I know there's no blood relations but... she did raise him up as a son. They're officially considered mother and son. He refers to her as Imperial MOTHER. So for her to finish that timeline neatly, only to marry this same person in the next... I can't. (⊙…⊙ )
If we go by that point she shouldn't love/marry anyone else sin e in the second arc she married and stayed her full life there with her husband.
Maybe is cuz I read too many QT novels... but that body was considered his adoptive mother... not the one she is in now. Also, id like you to remember... a good 100 years has passed for her. She said herself that he became a fine man and that's how she sees him now... so is not really in the next.
Also, her mission IS to marry him... and she made sure he is not marrying her out of a mother's complex...
If you want a QT novel about revenge with not an ounce of romance I recommend Cannon fodder records of counterattack translated by butterflys curse. Else you'll probably see more of I raised u in one live love u in the next... even more so of the ML follows the FL through the many worlds... master, step father, cousin, uncle, adoptive son, adoptive brother, enemy, childhood friend... be it straight, bl or gl if there's romance there's one or more of those... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
So yeah... Cannon is my safe heaven for when i get tired of that sheet... xD
As a Desir x Adjest fan, I actually have no problems if the webtoon wants to take the Romantica end. Reading the novel and webtoon simultaneously, with the novel indeed heading to the Adjest end, I would actually throw a fucking fit if it trolls me with Romantica. I vastly VASTLY prefer the novel, with the way it just builds its story up, that I'm satisfied Adjest will get novel!Desir lol.
Im not saying the webtoon sucks or anything, it's just a matter of preference. I already had an inkling Romantica end was possible: for example, the scene where Adjest gives Desir the scarf; in the novel, Desir was appreciating her beauty as Adjest wraps her scarf around him, while Pram and Romantica watches on. Here, Romantica never gives her jacket to him, and was more of a background character at this point. Also, in the fortune telling scene, the novel mentions that the two will be pillars of support to each other. Webtoon doesn't have that.
Im a bit bummed I wont see Adjest end drawn, but of course, as the webtoon seems to be exploring the Desir/Romantica angle, let all the fans enjoy everything the series is giving us.
I have also noticed those same deviations from the novel and I was at first kinda bummed out because it downplayed the DxA scenes and also showed Romantica as being the jealous, petty type. However at this point it's clear that the artist is showing a preference for Romantica and as pressed as I am about that, I'm still excited at how the rest of the story is portrayed in the manhwa.
If it's not a bother to you, can you tell me what chapter was the scarf scene from the novel? I want to see it in Desir's POV!
It's ch116. Here's the snippet:
With those two gifts as the highlight, the unboxing continued. The gifts unveiled were varied and each time a box was opened, a round of applause as well as exclamation or laughing could be heard leaking out of the party room.
It was as this kind of atmosphere continued that Adjest also picked up one of the boxes from a pile in front of her before opening it.
There was a muffler in the box. It was made out of a luxurious wool and the embroidery of blue thread intertwined with red thread intimating that it was a muffler filled with heavy feelings from the sender.
Adjest gazed at the tip of the muffler.
D.A.
It was the initials of Desir Arman.
Adjest picked up the muffler and looked at Desir as if she was possessed.
Desir smiled, fully immersed in the infectious happiness of the other party members, before suddenly turning to match the gaze that was avidly boring a hole into the side of his head.
Adjest was at a distance of less than half a meter. It was close enough to let him feel her warmth.
“… ”
For a moment, Desir’s breath stopped.
Before Desir regained his wits to ask ‘why’, Adjest moved.
For a while, Desir felt dizzy from the soft scent that lingered in the space around him. Desir’s reaction was so delayed that the back of Adjest’s hand caressed his cheek without any resistance.
“Adjest?”
Awakened Desir leaned back, but Adjest pulled the muffler and dragged him back towards her.
“Wait.”
One.
Two.
Desir said nothing until the muffler was fully wrapped around his neck.
As the muffler was finally wrapped around Desir’s neck, their eyes met.
Her golden eyes shook like a wave breaking against a shore.
Adjest hurriedly lifted her hand from the muffler, shrinking back as if a child touching a toy that they have been told should not be touched.
“… ”
In the party office which had been raucous just moments before, there was now only silence. It was as if the prior noise had been a lie.
No one dared open their mouth to break this awkward tension. The office which had never been quiet, was finally soundless for the first time.
“Your name was on it.”
Adjest attempted to excuse her behaviour after the awkward silence had truly become unbearable.
No one else spoke up though.
The awkward silence began afresh.
The door opened. Desir thanked God for the distraction.
“… What’s going on? It’s exceptionally quiet in here today.”
It was Professor Bridgette. She looked around with a relaxed smile like always.
While looking around the office, it was apparent to everyone that she was happy seeing Des1r.
“That muffler goes really well with you. It was worth all of the hard work.”
“Is this… a muffler that you knitted, professor?”
“Yes. I knitted it. Do you like it?”
“Yeah. I like it. Thank you very much, Professor.”
Bridgette looked delighted at the gratitude expressed for her gift.
“I was going to give one to each of you, but due to my inexperience in knitting, I ended up taking too much time to make just one of them.”
“Don’t mind it, thank you, professor. What brings you here? Do you have something to tell us? Don’t you?”
Romantica desperately blathered, attempting to forcibly change the topic of discussion.
1) Can someone explain why Ilya Clandor here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/ibx_chapter-24/pg-1/
Didn't react in horror when he saw Khaol and Kaveri together, but later on, he did?
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/iur_chapter-30/pg-1/
It wasn't his first time seeing them in bed together, so why did he act as if he did, and caused Khaol to curse his bloodline?
2) Why did Heil say that he can't read the minds of the Clandor bloodline here http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/ibx_chapter-27/pg-1/
And yet here, he can read Rivers thoughts? http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/iur_chapter-33.1/pg-1/
3) Nana says she wasn't chosen as a bride because of her blind eye. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/tr_chapter-2/pg-1/
So sixty chapters later, why did she suddenly say she didn't know the reason of why she was rejected as a bride? http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/ibx_chapter-67/pg-1/
1) I think it is because Ilya didn't realize that Kaveri was the emperor's concubine. I think he first thought that he was Khaol's normal lover, but then became shocked when he found out that his master was making love with a person belonging to the emperor. It could also be due to the time or place. He just might not have been expecting to see them making love and shouted out in reflex, and unfortunately a guard heard his shout.
2) Heil can't read the minds of the Clandors because he becomes friends/ develops feelings for them. At the time when River first came to the underworld, Heil did not have any feelings for him (either platonic or romantic), so he was able to read his mind. The moment he developed feelings for him, Heil could no longer hear his mind. It's just like when Heil met Forrest. He could also read her mind (that's how he heard all the slander about him). He will be able to read her mind until they become friends and he feels emotionally attached to her (develop platonic feelings of love).
I've got more questions but this'll have to do for now.
1) Ilya's reaction was one that's genuinely horrified though. And for Khaol, for someone who's being secretive about sleeping with the kings concubine the first time Ilya saw them, he was acting quite normal?
2) I think it's the other way around, isn't it? In the chapter, Heil said he became friends with the Clandors BECAUSE he can't read their minds (and a sucker for their tragic back stories). So it doesn't make sense to me later on why he suddenly can read Rivers thoughts, perhaps author forgot about that plot detail?
1) Ilya is a foreigner, so it takes him a while to understand their language and their culture. That's why he probably didn't understand about the whole concubine of an emperor thing. It was only after he understood their culture that he really knew what Khaol was doing. And I think that's also why Khaol wasn't worried at first. Plus Khaol didn't want to wake up his precious lover who was sleeping.
2) Heil isn't really honest with his feelings. He pretends to be aloof and uncaring, but is actual a really caring person. He just doesn't like to admit his feelings for the Clandor clan. He loses his ability when he starts to care. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/iur_chapter-36/pg-1/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_god_of_pain_s_groom/uu/iur_chapter-45/pg-35/
3) Sorry, didn't see this point until now. Nana said that her father thought she wasn't good enough because of her eye, but not that she also thought that way. Khaol never came at all to choose a bride, so she was wondering if there was something that was wrong with the family/ her.