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Lucky to have someone who beat you? Idk about that part but I agree that Skylar is very patient especially with what Cirrus did in the past haha. And they made it up so whatever!

I just hope if this happens again, Skylar finally opens up or something

Cirrus is definitely lucky to have Skylar in other aspects, but idk if Skylar is lucky to meet Cirrus loool. Cirrus needs intensive therapy and love, so yeah I guess I agree that he’s lucky to meet Skylar aside from the beating part

He triggerred so much trauma Skylar was trying to heal from. Do you think he should have just broke down and have an episode there on his own? Some people get violent when they are triggered. Also, what about Cirrus throwing a cup that looks like for hot drinks on Skylar first? After already blocking Skylar's friend on his phone? Lol.

That punch was nothing and does not hurt as much as psychological and emotional ones. Skylar would not have punched him if he did not bring up personal things they have not even communicated about. Boundaries. If Cirrus wanted to communicate, he needs to walk the talk. Not being a creep and emotional ambushing Skylar.

To be fair, he didn’t know about the trauma and I doubt he would’ve been like this had Skylar opened up (but that’s up to Skylar and it takes time to heal).

Saying the beating was nothing is wrong considering Skylar also triggered Cirrus’s trauma, at the moment if you re read you can see that Cirrus thought of his father.

What people disliked a lot about Skylar in that chapter was the fact that HE KNEW CIRRUS HAS TRAUMA AND BEAT HIM STILL, resorting to extreme violence. and I’ve already brought up Cirrus throwing a can at him in my other posts. Comparing that to beating till someone bleeds isn’t it, I wouldn’t mind if Skylar gave one punch or two but continuously doing it till he bled is not right. It’s not like Cirrus continuously threw cans at him nor injured him iirc.

“Some people get violent when they are triggered” doesn’t make it right, that’s something Skylar needs to work on and get help with. Cause causing someone to bleed isn’t justified.

Cirrus has no idea his trauma is related to that so I can’t exactly blame him, but had he known, I would’ve been so upset that he said that and intentionally picked on his trauma.

Also I’m not justifying any of their actions. But we can’t act as if Skylar beating up his partner is justified when it isn’t, especially because he knows that his partner was abused as a child. That’s all.

Yes Sky did to much but Cirrus start first. And yes he didn’t know the past of Sky but what Sky ask him repeatedly to stop Cirrus still continued to provoke him he even said he wanted it to be him don't Sky remembers and not Minwoo. Cirrus is smart too, he saw the signs.

It’s not about who did this or that first. Yes Cirrus provoked it and started it because of his insecurities but still, Skylar went way out of line and nearly sent Cirrus to the hospital. That is wrong regardless.

Being smart doesn’t mean anything if you don’t know what Skylar’s trauma is really caused by. Skylar never told Cirrus so you cannot expect him to get the full story. He’s not a mind reader.

Yes he not a mind reader but he still see that Sky is uncomfortable with that subject. If someone say to you stop you don’t need to be mind reader to know you go beyond your boundaries. I talk about the fact that Cirrus know that Sky don’t want to talk about Minwoon but he still force it because of his trauma ( he wanted to be reassured even if he use a bad method). Sky still don’t have any right to beat him it’s a big no.

I understand Cirrus and Sky action but never I will excuse them. In this chapter Sky go too far but Cirrus engage this fight ( first he trow the hot coffee and insinuates that Sky takes him for a second choice + the fact he deleted Chan message ). Sky him even if he has anger issues still don’t have the right to affirm Cirrus ( when he say he is the second choice even if he don’t think so) and the more dangerous action and the most disappointing thing is that it came to violence.

I am not justifying that Cirrus did those stuff, I’m just saying that he doesn’t know his trauma enough to stop himself from saying stuff. And yes Skylar had no right to beat him.

Also Skylar has been hitting him even before Cirrus threw the can but no readers care, but when Cirrus throws a can—everyone attacks him, isn’t that hypocrisy?

And Cirrus do stuck too to Sky like SA him one for the forced kiss and other for his attempt when Sky refuse his kiss and literally manipulate Sky or control him but nobody seem to talk about that. It’s hypocrisy too. It a circle I can literally say the same thing for Cirrus. Cirrus is not perfect okay and Sky too. You seem to like Cirrus so much that you don’t take that in consideration.
And two when you talk about hypocrisy be sure to know what you saying. Everyone jump when Sky beat Cirrus and was angry ( like me when I was decieve by his action) but they dare to speak as if Cirrus was an angel and never do bad stuff to Sky. They even encouraged the fact that Cirrus should throw harder the can and that is hypocrisy. Like when Cirrus do bad stuff and toxic Sky fan attack him it’s the same thinks for Cirrus toxic fan. And they are small people like me who are deceived by their action but understand them and still like them( they are just traumatized adolescent baby who acts according to their personality. One is a manipulator and the other has anger issues who turn aggressive

Well YES I like cirrus’s complex character, I don’t like his bad behavior. Have you seen me justifying any of his actions?

Nobody said Cirrus was an Angel. I think you’re exaggerating at this point. Majority of the people has been explaining only. Nobody was defending Cirrus or Skylar. Who encouraged Cirrus to throw the can harder? Even if someone did, it’s not Cirrus who said that.

You also keep bringing up Cirrus’s past where he nonconsensually kissed Skylar but you don’t talk about the part where Skylar kissed his crush without consent either. You are quite hypocritical.

And Cirrus has apologized for doing those stuff if you read properly, and Skylar forgave him for that and they looked past that.

No I know what I talk about. Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it didn't happen. I read the raw on social media and yes I can see a lot of negative comments of Cirrus or Sky. Before saying something be sure to know what you talking about. I don’t talk to just talk. I see something so I speak . And I never said it was Cirrus who said that. I literally said “fan defend him by sailing ”. Like ?? Why talk about something I never engage? You just prove my point that you don’t read what I said and just to protect Cirrus you attack my point without understanding it.

If you were really open and not defensive you' will see and understand my point of view, I'm attacking toxic fans who talk badly about CIRRUS AND SKYLAR without understanding their points of view. As I said, they're traumatized teenagers who act on their emotions. And a lot of people can identify with them.

I like to see how hypocritical you are. First, I talked about what happened between Cirrus and Sky. You call me a hypocrite but we never engage a situation where we talk about Sky past and where I denied and excused Sky's behavior. Don't put me on the same level as you because when Sky is wrong I say so, like when he beat Cirrus, which is very serious or when he literally staked Chan il and more. And Sky also apologized for beating him and Cirrus forgave him if you also read well so your point?

First, I talked about what happened between Cirrus and Sky. You call me a hypocrite but we never talked about Minwoo where I denied and excused Sky's behavior. Don't put me on the same level as you because when Sky is wrong I say so, like when he beat Cirrus, which is very serious. And Sky also apologized for beating him and Cirrus forgave him if you also read well so your point?

No I’m just talking about the fact that you bring up Cirrus’s past to make him seem more wrong at the moment when it’s in the past and they had moved on from that.

I brought up Minwoo because you’re a hypocrite for bringing up Cirrus’s past where he nonconcensuallt kissed but not Skylar’s past where he also nonconsensually kissed.

A hypocrite who said the other is one. At least me I assume that what Sky do is wrong I don’t excuse him like you do. And when you engage now about the non consensual kiss I still didn’t excuse his behaviour. That the difference with you and me

What do you mean? I never excused anyone’s actions, you have got to be a troll.

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Corny

Yeah, because rape and torture are so classy like you, no? Disgusting.

Then why do you keep reading? You are hypocrite. Lol

LET THE AUTHOR HEAR YOUR WISHES. I hate that guy so much. he's utterly disgusting.

You do know its possible to hate one singular aspect of the story while loving the rest, right?

Thanks for the concise explanation hahaha they think you should not be reading a story if you don't like the worst aspects of it. Lol

Really, that's just ludicrous. How can you claim any part of it captures your heart when the core plot—the part you claim to despise—is what drives the whole narrative? It's completely ridiculous, and honestly, it sounds like you're just faking it. Stop the charade, admit you don't actually despise it; you seem to enjoy pretending to. There's nothing groundbreaking or unique left in the story if you truly abhor the central concept. You're not fooling anyone. Drop the act and get off your high horse.

Corny

Are you... roleplaying? If you have this type of black and white thinking, you'll never be allowed to enjoy anything you have even the slightest critique on. All media has flaws and there will never be media that has no valid criticism. I refuse to believe you love every single part of every media you claim to enjoy and consume. The best part is that OP never critiqued the story itself, just expressed their negative opinion a character. I'm begging you to get at least a sliver of media literacy or you'll keep being an ignorant asshole forever.

Just a btw you incorrectly assumed that I dislike how the horrid acts were presented in this manhwa, I don't. Yehwa's rape and torture, as well as complexity of his sworn son's feelings are presented very well, none of it is romanticised, and we can clearly see the consequences and trauma they cause. I actually personally like Muyeon as a character, while disliking him as a person, since he's written eloquently and his struggle with himself seems believable.

No problem, I really dislike the "you're not allowed to criticise media you enjoy" stance since I feel it goes directly against literature itself. Very silly imo