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Question:




Why a fake divorce and not a real one?

i feel bad for him:(

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The father thought it was a fake divorce, they divorce legally but in actual fact they are still together.
I can’t really remember why, but it might have been at the point where both his real children are in jail and need to pay money for some reason or another (maybe a fine). The dad was convinced to transfer his money and property to the mother so he doesn’t have to pay, then they stole it.

But this is rusty I read it like a year ago and can’t remember the finicky detail

Yeah agreed, it would have been a low effort task and even if they kept the massive age gap, the story could have still worked with no other changes.

The same reason why Bella Swann or Nina Gilbert and other YA novel heroines are 16. That's the age group these are targeted at.

Not say it's not problematic, but let's not pretend, what with a whole popular western culture of teenage girls x centuries old vampires, that having high school age girls fall in love with older men magically in younger bodies is some kind of manga/manhwa/manhua invention.

No one is pretending that more media like that doesn't exist. There is a ton of problematic stuff within western media.

And in terms of aiming the story at the targeted demographic, a 2-year increase would not make a difference especially since it would not affect the story and younger ppl always want to be older. Plus there have been mangas in this genre with M/C that are a lot older and we still love them.

Saying younger ppl want to be older is projecting that demographic through a western lens. As is the concept of legal age of consent. In Japan the national minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent is 13, with some prefectures having 'minor obscenity' laws that raise de-facto age of consent to approx 16. In Tokyo, girls can get married at age 16. So insisting on 18 is a basis rooted in American law, not Japanese law.

That part had nothing to do with the age of consent. Your whole comment is inaccurate and shows a lack of understanding of what I said.

On top of that, it's pretty ironic because you're clearly putting me through a demographic lens that does not fit at all :/

I'm neither American nor do I live in America. Actually, I have never even been to America at all. I live in a country where the legal age is 16, while I was born in a country where it is 15. Are you an American?

1. I'm natively Korean.
2. At no point did I say you were American. I said that 18 as age of consent is American law, not Japanese law which the country of origin for this story.

You implied it. America is not the center of the universe.

There was literally no reason to bring America into this.

I didn't imply it. You made an assumption that's what I meant. My argument was that the author + target demographic is Japanese and therefore their conception of what would be a viable age of consent is based upon Japanese law. If the author + target demographic were American then having the age as 16 instead of 18 would be strange, because age of consent based on American law is 18.

I was defending the choices/perspective of the AUTHOR. My entire argument was based on the nationality of the AUTHOR and the nationality of the author's target demographic. It had nothing to do with your nationality. Because you're also not the center of the universe nor the writer, nor the target demographic unless you happen to be a Japanese teen.

You did, it might have not been intentional but you did.

The story isn't about the age of consent, the basis of the story only requires an age gap to fit the "young woman marries an old dude" narrative.

And no one mentioned the target demographics being Americans. There is literally no reason for you to talk about them.

The nationality of the author does not matter nor does the age of consent if we are talking about fitting target demographics. You replied to me saying that younger people typically want to be older by talking about the age of consent. Making the character 2 years older would have not thrown the target demographic off. On top of that, when we aim something at a certain group, it's an age range. Not a specific age.

The translators could have chosen to increase the age range to 18. You yourself said that you don't think "it's not, not problematic." I mean come on, when you said that you showed that you yourself didn't see this as a black or white issue so IDK why you have something against me being in the grey zone.

Also, could you stop shouting?

You clearly did not read my response clearly and instead just decided to be defensive and take everything as a personal affront so that you could play victim. No implications were made about you. No one is "shouting" at you, the caps were for emphasis of key terms, since this platform does not allow italics or underlining. But just like my reference of culture in terms of the author and demographic, you are choosing to interpret that as an attack on you for...idk, your pretend moral high ground? Whatever.

The nationality of the author absolute matters because that the the culture which influences their idea, their thought process, their audience, and thereby the work itself. If there is nothing wrong, in a person's country, with a 16 year old marrying then there is no reason why they might find that concept problematic in their work. Why would the author need to make the character 18? Why is that age acceptable? I, PERSONALLY, think that neither 16 nor 18 is an appropriate age for marriage and would find this problematic even if she were 18. So if we want universal maxims for what age is acceptable in the average consciousness, it would have to be based on legality. Which varies by country. In Japan its 16. Which would make her being 16 not a problem.

My point is to give context to the perceived morality or the original author. You say 18. The author says 16. I say 21. I am not arguing for WHICH is right, I'm arguing for why the author probably chose 16 and saw no problem with that age.

No, I didn't. I read what you said in reply to me and pointed out that you did not understand what I said.

By using capslock you are and I would appreciate it if you stopped.

You don't need to empathize with what you say since I will be able to read all the words you wrote regardless.

You're the one implying that I'm acting like a victim because I asked you not to capslock at me. It's aggressive and rude and it's generally considered as shouting. You may not mean it like that but when you capslock stuff at me, I will see that as shouting. I don't capslock at you either for that exact reason. I would appreciate it if you stopped. It's a low-level request that requires you to do less rather than more.

Also, you going on and on about how me asking you not to shout at me is me acting like a victim in order for me to pretend that I have the higher ground makes no sense. If I wanted to do that I could have jumped on the simple train of arguing that you're condoning pedophilia because of the age gap, that would be the type of thing you're describing. What I'm doing is different, I specifically made that request super short so that it would not distract from the main topic at hand. I'm just acting you not to capslock at me because I don't like being shouted at. I'm making a reasonable request and setting up a reasonable boundary. I would appreciate it if you would stop.

No it does not matter and the author obviously did not see a 16 x old man relationship as appropriate. They have depicted this theme of the story quite well. Plus they placed obvious hints that time has passed since she was 16 (e.g. her bring too tall for her dresses which used to fit when she moved in.) that kind of growth takes years, especially since from 16 onwards you don't grow much. I only grew by 2cm.

If you find either 16 or 18 problematic while arguing this then that's odd.

Why would I prefer for her to be 18 from the start? So that there would be significantly lesser people arguing about this.

I never said 18 is my ideal age of consent... my personal stance is that 25 should be the ideal since that's about when our brains are fully developed. However, 18 is what will get people to focus on the story rather than on all this stuff.

Even if you explain why you think an author did something, that point does very little (no offense) because it won't change the fact that ppl are having issues with the fl being younger.

I’m gonna throw my opinion into the ring ;)
I live in England where the legal age of consent is also 16.
Either way in England 16 is still a dicey age, you are still under care of your parents, and if you wanna marry at 16 you need their consent.

When your 18 in England you go to university, you can drink, you can drive, you start living on your own, marry without needing parents consent, you have bills and start acting as a proper adult.
That’s why I always thought of 18 was a more appropriate age, and as you said it’s not too far from the age of the target audience, and doesn’t change too much about the character while skipping a grey zone.
This is just my opinion that I threw into the void, I don’t plan to force it on anyone, I know full well it was based on outside influence as I grew up, in England 18 makes you an adult which is why I said 18 in my original post.

16 and 18 may only be two years apart but I personally believe the difference in responsibilities and problem solving is night and day, the same can be said with 18 and 21. However you can also argue that the brain stops fully developing at 25, so some can argue that her age should be that.

So this argument is subjective (although 18 is usually my bottom line)

I’m not gonna believe my opinion is the moral high ground, because that stuff once again is subjective...
but I do believe when it comes to plot it makes a whole lot more sense for an adult who lives alone will be able to survive by herself, in comparison to a child who’s main goal is to study in school and have fun with friends.

(She’s marrying a man old enough to be her grandfather so in an ideal world she would’ve at least been 25)
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(I thought I’d give my deeper opinion, respectfully the person who made this post)

Yeah, that's cool.

And there is literally no reason to think that your opinion is a moral high ground. It's an opinion.

You do you.

You're lack of empathy or ability to see beyond your own experience and perspective is astounding. As you seem to insist on ignoring what I'm actually saying and instead projecting your own skewed perception and demands on everything, right down to telling ME what I mean and what I'm doing, I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion with you.

I wasn't telling you what you said, simply quoted you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. You're doing the things you're accusing me of doing e.g. lacking empathy, projecting, you literally accused me of acting like a victim cuz I asked you not to capslock at me. Anyways, goodbye. I was honestly gonna end this either way cuz you keep shouting and it makes me uncomfortable.

Totally get that! And great point re: 25 and cognitive development. I set 21 because that's generally the age when most people are completing higher level schooling and starting careers. As you say, this is my own personal/cultural perception of "adulthood" and being fully able to make clear, independent decisions and doesn't reflect any kind of universal maxims.

dumbest argument
about the dumbest manga

You're free to disagree but you don't have to be rude.

You know those couples were outsiders think they hate each other but they really actually understand and love each other and just like to poke fun, that would suit them great