Lighten up it's a joke and if majority of readers had a problem it wouldn't be there chill(〜￣△￣)〜
It's all start with this kind of insensitive human that religion problem exist. Imagine if people draw your god as a pig too I wonder if you still like it? Well it won't work for atheist tho.
I'm not atheist and think about it this is a site for people to read manga no one reads the extras anyway. Plus i don't think that page was in the original mauscript it was put. In. And if it was japanese people don't really know alot about other cultures no need to rant on their ignorance not as if u complaining is going to get that one page taken off the site(〜￣△￣)〜
Not so much racist as incendiary. The image is a deliberate provocation toward a sub-section of people in a religion who are so offended by satirical representations of their holy leader, they go ape-shit. It makes the point (crudely) that people in a free society have the liberty to express their opinions of religious figures how ever they choose, even if it's in bad taste, and they shouldn't have to fear violence.
We all know that the people who follow Islam would not worship or respect a pig, but we also know that the reactionary sects of Islam who use violence to force their thinking on others are a major evil. (Most of us also know these people do noet represent the majority of Muslims either.) Point is, the more reactions images like these receive, the more it proves the point that these images are necessary.
Instead of shrugging the stupid and rude image off and saying, "That isn't who I worship and respect, anyway, and it has nothing to do with my religion", you've taken the bait and reacted. You've done so using words, not weapons, so good on you. But you're going to need to be more persuasive if you want to show that these images should be removed.
And by more persuasive, I mean you need to appeal to people's better natures, not tell them how to live or what to read.
Point is I'm talking about insensitivity not if anyone reading the extras. I check other manga site like mangahere and it was kindly taken down, and it beats your points that no one read since there's many people comment about those insensitive stuff too. Also I don't talk about the Japanese but the translator that put that there.
Well it's not a bad thing to defend the religion. I see only Islam got mocked badly in this world. I even respect other religion why can't they? Doesn't your religion teach you to respect others? You should know for us that mocking the religion in this way is such a big sin just like how you should fear the seven deadly sin.
But I agree on your point about muslim "who use violence to force their thinking on others are a major evil". You can think of it as a thorn in Islam, a heresy, imagine like people worshipping Satan. But remember, not all of them are like that, doing this also affect the good people too, from what I see this insensitive stuff mocking them entirety. Maybe there's just a propaganda trying to bring down Islam in the 1st place, who knows?
"But you're going to need to be more persuasive if you want to show that these images should be removed"
I see other manga site also taken down it like mangahere, I don't want to compare just it shows they're kind enough to do so.
No, first of all, if you think it’s only Islam that gets mocked, you are sadly mistaken. Who gets mocked depends entirely on the company you keep, or the sites you visit, or the place you live—factors like those. Shift your location in the world, the crowd you hang out with, the papers you read or internet sites you lurk on, and everything else changes, too.
In fact, I think it’s a very bad thing when a person can’t mock or poke fun at a set of beliefs—ANY set of beliefs, no matter if they are religious, atheistic (like the belief that one has no beliefs), political, apolitical, cultural, tribal, familial, educational, workplace-centered, or between friends. People in all those spheres of life are in a continuously changing and interdependent relationship with the rest of the world—not in the sense of everybody in the entire world all at once, but in a rippling effect, which means we continuously check our beliefs to ensure they aren’t doing more damage than good. Whenever I hear someone say that something is beyond mockery, I hear the subtext that they know there is something wrong, but they don’t want to change. If a belief is truly timeless and eternal, it will hold up against some sass, so what are you really afraid of?
Some beliefs deserve SERIOUS disrespect. The belief that homosexuals will go to hell. The belief that women need to wear portable tents to stay pure and chaste. The belief that you shouldn’t pour cream sauce over your roast pork. The belief that earth is at the center of our solar system. The belief that you get to kill anybody who disrespects your religion.
There are people who deserve to be mocked, too: dictators (political, religious and corporate), philistines, brown-nosers, people who are mean to dogs and cats and little kids, people who talk with their mouths full ….
But I will concede that there is such a thing as “punching down”, which is the practice of mockery in the service of oppression, especially for things which people can’t do anything about, or can’t do very much about at that time, like the colour of their skin, the gender they were born into, the poverty they were born into, the type of clothes their parents make them wear, etc.. Is that what’s going on here? I say it may not be. If the mangaka is referring to the Charlie Hebdo murders, for example, that context is an important distinction.
There are things we call, insult and the things we call mockery And the two of them are totally different.
If you think of something us mockery and some other person consider it as an insult does this give you the freedom to say or do whatever you want.
If so, say/do whatever you want shamelessly that just make you less human in my eye
There are things we call, insult and the things we call mockery And the two of them are totally different.
If you think of something us mockery and some other person consider it as an insult does this give you the freedom to say or do whatever you want.
If so, say/do whatever you want shamelessly that just make you less human in my eye.
There are things we call, insult and the things we call mockery And the two of them are totally different.
If you think of something us mockery and some other person consider it as an insult does this give you the freedom to say or do whatever you want.
If so, say/do whatever you want shamelessly that just make you less human in my eye.
"LESS human" Wow, that kind of says everything right there, doesn't it? I can think of a few characters from history who who were fond of dividing humanity into "lessers" and "greaters" and the one thing they shared in common was genocidal mania—not exactly a Big Persuader to wave around in an argument where you want to convince people that your beliefs are worthy of respect. In fact, neuroscience and extensive MRI scans have identified this tendency as a leading cause of a pecular, very specific kind of self-inflicted brain damage: when people—who, otherwise, consider themselves to be moral, upstanding citizens— divide humanity into lessers and greaters (like you just did), they suppress the natural instincts signaled from the medula oblongata, signals that allow them to discern who represents a real and immediate threat to their survival, and who is essentially harmless, AND, they cause massive lesions to split through the tissues within the frontal cortex of the brain and running along the connections between the frontal lobes to the amygdala and hypothalamus. They, essentially, destroy their own ability to accurately *judge* who is a real enemy, and who is just another individual like them, and they destroy their ability to *control* the destructive emotional reactions and impulses which rise out of the subconscious, like violence. So they become model killing machines in a Goebelesque citizenry. Can you see why dictators, totalitarians and authoritarians are fond of using that sort of divisive rhetoric as a strategy? Can you also see why a mark of mental and emotional health would be a resistance to those divisions?
Who is that monolithic "Us" to whom you refer? Or, are you, like some crackpot comedian, imitating the royal "We/Us/Our" to insinuate that you represent anyone other than your lonesome, individual self? Do you identify as belonging to a particular group: religious, cultural, racial, familial? Think long and hard about the distinctions you draw between yourself, your group and the rest of humanity. People outside of your groups are as likely to share your morals, personality traits, aspirations and goals as the people you hold in your heart, and there are certain to be members within your groups whose thoughts, feelings and actions you would abhor if you saw them properly from the inside of their character. In other words, your Groups are artificial constructs that don’t accurately reflect the truth of your soul. Wouldn’t you rather be true to your soul, than your Group? Or wouldn’t you rather distinguish groups based on the aspirations of your soul, rather than the dogma of some antiquated beliefs?
The same applies to what you perceive as offensive. Be careful that what you perceive as offensive is truly directed at you. It might be aimed at someone wholly different, like a murderer.
The few things i saw about "japanese people" (don't know how much of it is true) is that they generally don't say offensive things about cultures they don't care or don't know well about. Good point for them (⌒▽⌒)
"appeal to people's better natures", can you be more mystical please ?
(⊙…⊙ ) Monks and priests of all beliefs and religions have yet to reach this 1 ( failed joke ) .
Are you seriously asking them to prove they're "better people" before they get due respect ?
Are they supposed to have magic powers to overturn décades of propaganda of all sorts and tendancies ?!
See the real thing is that there is no representative or real muslim-community of power right now, so everywhere on earth , people can say things like: <<When you all get better ( in my mainstream western ( US-UK ) perspective ), who knows you' ll have a basic form of respect = not having to undergo moral abuse and condescension .
Ok, now scram and laugh if i joke about your mother.>>
"people in a free society". #－.－) We have yet to see this happening...
If the men&women who get elected don't work to make the mass' claims comes true...
Just my opinion but i think we both agree this is not a "free society" .
Maybe a " free society " of:<< you can do ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~whatever trivial things you want, let the meaningful ლ(´ڡ`ლ)stuff to us.>>
Maaaan i love those emoticones
Who thinks the "muslim who use violence to force their thinking on others are a major evil" gives a cent about our exchanges or mangas (well who knows actually ;) *wink to u all* ) or the mockery ?!
Terrorist groups share common points with mercenary (whether on government contracts or not; not the point i'm typing about ) and mafias .
they contribute to economic feuds and their dubious management .
Offenses, mockeries, satires. Call them what you want.
They are bricks to the ideological thinking of whoever is;
naive (<<I am doing this for our communities, freedom, and so on>>), desperate (job finding issue or living next to a warzone ),
crazy (not paying attention to his safety or others' safety) enough to hear recruitment as a 911 call AND go for it .
The major point of my time-wasting rant is... That those who actually published this kind of works in the 1st place , made their share to pollute this haven for distraction and stress us with a compelling but very tiring argument -_-
Are they naive persons who did an "innocent" mistake ?
<<If you think of something us mockery and some other person...>>
Sorry to bother, If you ever get a minute, the person who responded made me curious about what you wanted to express.
Did you mean : << If you think of something us=(a mistyped "you" ? then "call" ; "you call" ?)
<<"LESS human" Wow, that kind of says everything right there, doesn't it? >> Nope (sir/madam/ miss ;) ) !
This doesn't say everything, you overanalysed his/her comment AND even MADE things UP about chisylle's intentions...
--- ( Now i have a short moment to play the bigger person, because i m kind of a deity on my keyboard ) --- (▰˘◡˘▰)
It's okay, it happens on sensitive topics, we (not my race, ethnic group, or whatever but us human beings ) ╮(￣▽￣)╭ can tend to go haywire despite not having been attacked AT ALL .
<<The same applies to what you perceive as offensive. Be careful that what you perceive as offensive is truly directed at you. It might be aimed at someone wholly different, like a murderer >>
Being in "a free society" and because i paid attention to your comments, can i laugh about such a "trivial thing" (quoting myself here, just in case) ?
why did you make mohamed as a pig siting on the coran in the last page ? for the people who are translating you shouls be asheemed
they should'nt be allowed anything racist here.