why did you make mohamed as a pig siting on the coran in the last page ? for the people wh...

Those are YOUR words. I've quoted you directly. "If so, say/do whatever you want shamelessly that just make you less human in my eye "
Did you mean them or not?

Right, because you keep saying that what you said (and I quote, "If so, say/do whatever you want shamelessly that just make you less human in my eye ") isn't what you said. Except that you said it, and it's on record.

Do you think the mangaka who drew that image is "shameless" (Again, YOUR word)? If so, why? (Just because some people are insulted or offended by that image, doesn't mean she or he is being shameless by creating and publishing it. You have to make a valid argument that she or he is.)

Is this mangaka "less human" in your "eye" for having published it?

Or are we talking about some other mangaka somewhere else in some hypothetical alternate universe?

Peoples tend to see and understand what they want to see and understand.

Re read my first commen.

Re read my first comment.

What I see and understand is what you wrote. Are you saying that you mean what you wrote, or you didn't?

It's a simple question. Yes or no?

That was your first comment. Did you mean it, or not?

More evasion. Based on your first comment, do you think this mangaka is less of a human being, or not?

**What I see and understand is what you wrote**
Really?????

Really????

**Based on your first comment,**
seriously re read my first comment.
I won't answer you until you truly reread my comment.

No amount of reading your comment is going to change its meaning.

Or make it any less nonsensical.

If you can't understand it........
It is not my problem .
Actually, I don't care if you understand it or not.
Goodbye.(⌒▽⌒)

I can't understand it because it isn't clearly expressed or written. It might as well be gobbledygook. The way it is written looks geared to mislead readers and allow them to mistrust your intentions.

I asked you further questions in order to find clarification. If you don't want to clarify what you wrote, and you want readers to misunderstand, by all means, don't try to be more specific. I don't care, either, other than that your choice of language and the placement of your initial comment in this particular thread for this particular mangaka and cartoon, and the subsequent evasion makes it seem as though you want to conflate political and religious satire with racism in order to stifle commentary and debate. I offered you the opportunity to make it clear that this was not your position, that it was something more subtle, and you veered away.

Yes, that's your choice, but if you are being misunderstood, it wasn't because you weren't offered the opportunity to be more specific and clear.

Don't want maganka to challenge your beliefs in their work? Tough. Don't want people to engage in political or religious debate on a manga site? Then don't participate. The moment you type your 2 cents worth, you've engaged and others will respond.

sorry , gruesome‡Overlord being so late...
**Other strange-to-hear idea is that you don't decide what is offending other **
I always thought that

Just to intervene on your meta-context convo with gruesome, since the remarks are clearly directed at me, I never "decided what is offending other" ... whatever that means (another mangled English "what exactly is that supposed to mean".) If you are going to accuse me of this, point out where, exactly, or why--- just as I have point out exactly where and why your comments look misleading.

"pointed out".

Further, this entire debate was started because someone was offended by a cartoon they thought was racist. They're offended? Fine, let them feel whatever they want to feel, but is the cartoon racist? Not necessarily. If they are going to call it racist and try and garner support against it and the mangaka, they need to back that accusation up with a valid argument. If you're going to chime in that people don't want to be offended and that feeling offended makes you think that person is less of a human being, fine. Feel whatever you want to feel. Let them feel whatever they want to feel. But just because you feel it, and they feel it, still doesn't make the cartoon racist, or the mangaka racist, and it certainly doesn't make the mangaka or anyone who disagrees LESS of a human being. You want to externalize feelings about racism, you might want to try to convince people that something is actually racist first. And if you're going to start inferring that people are LESSER human beings for having offended you (and, yes, you did infer that by chiming in on this particular argument), you might want to consider this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24511459 and this: http://cnl.ucla.edu/Pubs/Fried%20The%20Lancet%20%281997%29.pdf

** Peoples tend to see and understand what they want to see and understand.
I wonder why gruesome‡Overlord didn't interpret it like you...?**
My Style to praise you , use you and show you my bad side in sametime.
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