Phos has not been Phos for a long time now. And if I know correctly Phos’s first abandonce is seen with Ghost’s almost kidnapping. Phos ceases to act bc of his curiosity for what Sensei would do. He feels guilty and sad bc he never thought he would abandon a friend. Later we also see another loss in Phos. The loss of fun in Phos is reflected by his desire to find a job for Cinnabar. But when he says that he found a job for Cinnabar he is asked a question, “What happened to fun?” His initial mission to find an enjoyable job for Cinnabar has turned into just a job.
Phos opens up to Cinnabar. He who has lied to everyone else and hid his every thought, opens up to Cinnabar and even asks for help and his judgement. But is refused bc his plan is faulty and isn’t complete. Cinnabar and Phos have different visions now. Cinnabar would have said yes if Phos had just asked to be his partner. But Phos only focuses on his self appointed mission.
Ghost asks to pair up with Phos bc he reminds him way too much of Lapis. Ghost says, “we both live by Lapis’ instructions.” Phos who reminds Ghost so much of Lapis but also reminds him of himself gets attached to Phos. And is taken away bc Phos’ want for investigation. Phos’ instability is very clear when he sees Cairngorm as Antarc and tries to hide him in case he gets taken again. His guilt clouds his judgement and already in chapter 39 Phos’ decreasing sanity is apparent. He faults himself while continuing to work, not giving himself any break and pushing himself harder and harder. His form gets destroyed and put together over and over again, his unstableness is clear. However fixing himself is his responsibility. Other gems do not offer him comfort and try to help him, leaving him to his own advances bc they too were left alone when they lost someone important. The only one who offers something resembling help is Cairngorm and that’s bc of his responsibility to Ghost, his last wish: to protect Phos. Thats why he was the one suggesting attaching Lapis’ head (whom ghost hid for years) to Phos. And when it’s refused, he suggests attaching his own head to Phos. This blind devotion to Phos comes from Ghost and not from Cairngorm himself. That’s why when Cairngorm is finally rid of Ghost he changes drastically. Doing what he wants to do without a care of others.
When Phos receives Lapis’ head other gems are not sure if it’s really Phos or not and it turns out that it’s not fully Phos when Phos sees Lapis in his dream. In the dream Phos is clearly shattered, not sure of himself and what he is. That’s why after that dream the line between Lapis and Phos are unclear. But they both have the same thought: to learn the secret behind Lunarians and Sensei. Even before Lapis’ head Phos was questioning Adamant and if what he was seeing was the real him but he had gave up after his want for knowledge lead to him losing Ghost. But now with Lapis’ head he is back on searching. To find answers.
One of the most unclear things for me was Adamant’s honesty after he lost Phos. Phos has been calling him out on his lies and questioning him for the longest time and because he couldn’t get his answers he decided to go to the moon himself. Now, we don’t know whether it was easy for Adamant to tell his story personally but we do know that there are things he can’t say even if he tries. My problem was that, it seemed so easy for Adamant to explain himself to the gems so why didn’t he do that before? Why didn’t he do that when Phos was going crazy with questions? If only he explained himself first, then maybe none of this would’ve happened. Maybe Phos wouldn’t ask for him to pray. There is a clear raft between the gems and Phos now. Phos is seen as a Lunarian. He is the one that took the other gems and he is the one responsible for all of this. Because they see Phos as the enemy they discard Phos’ thoughts which he tried to explain every time. While they don’t hate the other gems and even wish for their well-being, they put all the blame on Phos. They catch and imprison him for 200 years. And in all those times the Moon gems also don’t think about Phos. They never come for him until he wakes up. Phos is an anomaly on both sides. He is unable to let go of his past just as the other moon gems did. And he is unable to forgive Adamant just like the earth gems. And he starts to hate the earth gems. Chapter 83 begins with Phos’ dream in which all of the other gems are laughing in the distance and when he gets closer they say things like, “You were born weak.” “You can’t do a single thing properly.” “You were always wrong.” “Nobody would love you.” Lastly Antarc whom sacrificed himself for Phos, “If only you were never here.” Phos who has lost big parts of his memories (even forgetting about the Slug he went to the sea for) still remembers the time he was weak even if it has been almost 400 years since he was last weak. And in chapter 84 the first thing Phos says after waking up is, “Now. I want to crush all gems.” He is blind with hatred and also tiredness. He wants to rest but he believes he can only rest once his mission is done, once Adamant prays. In chapter 80 we learn why Adamant refuses to pray. Once he prays, all of the three descendants of Humans (Lunarians(soul), Gems(bones), Admirabilis(meat)) will turn to nothingness and disappear. Adamant who sees all of the gems as his sons and loves, doesn’t want them to disappear. But in his refusal to pray he continues the cycle he was forced into.
My one question now is why do the Lunarians still want to disappear? The gems brought life onto moon. Broke their mundane lives and made everything fun. But once again how long can they stay happy and satisfied? When will their lives become mundane again and they will wish for nothingness? They who were alive for as long as they had been, unlike Adamant didn’t have anything they could devote themselves to for the longest time. Now, couldn’t they devote themselves to the gems just as Adamant did? But once again who am I to tell them to just try the same thing Adamant did to be happy, when instead there should be different ways to be happy.
Edit: Also I just thought of this but Adamant reminds me of a neglectful father. Gems don’t have a healthy parenting system. When they are born they get thought how to speak and how to fight. That’s it. They don’t go through the slow learning process children are supposed to go through. After their lessons they are free to be with the others but the others are on the same boat. Even when they are hundreds of years old they still don’t evolve in their brains. They don’t long to learn to search for and find answers bc they never had the need to. That’s why even when they have a group for studying Lunarians that group still only does through the basic minimum and jusy skim the surface. Phos is different bc he was left alone without a job for such a long time and i believe this allowed him to turn his gaze on himself. Why am I here? Why am I here when I don’t have any use? He starts to question himself and after a while starts to question everything else. While writing this long ass Ted talk I didn’t have an idea why he was the one asking questions but now I know why!
Please add a damn tl;dr . This comment needs it
TL DR: Phos wants to crush all gems now. He no longer wishes for peace and fun. He has forgotten a very large piece of himself and only remembers the times he was useless and weak. He is different from both the Moon gems and Earth gems. He is alone and he has lost sight of himself and his goals. He is no longer Phos...but he isn’t Lapis either.
I added the most watered down version I guess...
I cant believe I read all of this. The whole time i was nodding to myself like a dumbass. But I agree wholeheartedly
Thanks, I'm crying again (●'◡'●)ﾉ
But thanks...good comment...
Just because you had a sad childhood doesn’t justify raping and holding another person hostage. Today I watched a video on a guy that was abandoned as a baby by his biological mother and then his adopted mother (which he considered to be his real mother) died so he found his bio mother to ask her why he left him and to learn where he came from and stuff but instead he was convinced that all of the women in his life always left him behind and abandoned him so you know what he did? Went and murdered random women on the streets.
For one moment I want you to imagine if the person who found Mioto when he ran in the rain was his friend Kuze, imagine what would happen. 1) he would get help (obviously as he didn’t see his friend for weeks and now he found him like that) 2) he would be worried 3) he would be angry at Tsuki-something (as he should bc he basically kidnapped Mioto) 4) Mioto would go to a safe place
The only reason Mioto didn’t ran away further was bc it was raining, he was basically just raped and naked & he had nowhere to go. He only accepted Tsuki again bc I think he couldn’t forget the times Tsuki was nice to him (which is sad and manipulative on Tsuki’s part)
It’s not sex if it’s not consensual! It’s just rape! And rape is violence! It shouldn’t be considered different than hmm being beaten, let’s say! Imagine all the sex scenes as Mioto getting beaten and see if that still seems nice
Bad actions can't be excused because of the background story of a person. It just bring a better understanding of why it happened. And Mioto knows it. He doesn't forgive Tsukihito because has you said he raped him and kept him locked in his room for days. Still, I think that he wants to give him a chance to become a better person who would not repeat that kind of things.
In general, everyone deal with trauma differently. Sadly, some do it by hurting people. I think we all saw some criminal minds or NYPD épisode
But...but tsukihito didn’t learn anything? I mean it seems like he did bc Mioto was like “if you do these things I’ll hate you!” And then tsuki did those things saying that he would rather be hated than let Mioto go. And then Mioto ran away and Tsuki was like searching for him bc he didn’t want to let Mioto go...but what I don’t understand is he didn’t get punished. He didn’t get hated by Mioto even though he did horrible things to him. I feel like it would have been more hmm how do i say this, interesting? No, real? If after he let Mioto go Mioto would have some kind of distance between them or idk would flinch when tsuki got close and then tsuki would understand the consequences of his actions. Of how what he did hurt Mioto and made him hate him. But that didn’t happen so even if tsuki seems like he changed actual change doesn’t happen that quickly and without realizing that he could get punished for the bad things he did. I know I put so much thought in to just fiction but I like to do that and that’s why I am so specific about the things I read lol
I understand. Like you were expecting a whole redemption arc and it wouldn't have been so bad. Maybe it will come when he will be more mature emotionally and understand everything that he did to Mioto.
Actually, I think that if Mioto didn't manage to escape at that time and stayed longer locked in Tsukihito's room he would have come to really hate him.
I'm the same as you.That's because we put so much thought in these sorties that we like them so much
This is one of my favorite mangas and it has been like two years since I finished the anime and I have been reading the manga since then. This is such a good character development that I feel speechless every time. I don’t mean that this is a positive chara dev. as in Phos doesn’t become good but instead succumbs to other effects and changes gradually and its so gradually that it took this long of a time and I love that. From the moment he lost his legs to his arms and even his head it’s such a complex web of other gems that in the end this may not be even Phos. Phos might have died long time ago or even when he lost his head to sapphire but you see no one is sure. Because they are gems! This is not as simple as Ajin where when they lose their head they become different (that’s why the main was trying so hard to protect his head if I remembered correctly) they are gems and each part of their body contains their memories (their hair containing the least). Phos losing his legs was a huge memory loss but for the first time he had felt important and so he gave his arms for the sake of a better improvement (even though he didn’t knew he was going to get gold ones, he hoped for something better and more useful than himself). Phos is no longer just himself and I feel both sad for him and amazed at this brilliant fiction. His want for ending this fight once and for all clouded his judgement and there is no one there to show him the right way because he was always the odd one out. He was never truly friends with any other gems even if he tried so hard and now he is alone on a mission he assigned himself for the sake of others while ruining them in the process.
I meant fiction as in plot
You may be right, after all, in the last chapter he sees an image of the old Phos and didn't recognize him!!!
The Manager is one of the types I hate the most. I would hate him more if he blackmailed or sexually harassed the main character but thankfully he doesn’t. I still don’t like that just because of a dumb rejection in high school he is tormenting the MC. Like it wasn’t even something so horrible like “ew I’m not gay” and then there is a rumor that he is gay, like that didn’t happen so why think about it at all? Why torment the MC? Like MC said he is just making fun of him and I don’t like that. I also don’t like forced labor, there was no need for all that extra work!
I agree with FL! And this was something I really hated in some of the other mangas: to fall in love with someone so easily. Even though she tried to live her life peacefully to not die she still feels afraid and I understand that. But she is done being scared now! When she shouted at the crown prince she was actually talking to the magician and I’m happy to see that! To come to the issue with Serenia, FL is right to think that they had a relationship. 1) everyone around her thought so too bc it was the logical outcome 2) she knows about the plots and once again it was the logical and predictable outcome that Serenia would be the actual female lead 3) no one told her otherwise. Even though the duke said “what does this have anything to do with Serenia?” He didn’t explain that they were not lovers and it just seemed like engagement is different while Serenia is also different. Lastly even if the duke poured his heart into making the earrings for all she knew he did jewelry in his spare time and decided to give her one as well, a classic engagement present. Even if the duke studies all the novels and tries to treat her better it seems normal bc treating people you are going to be engaged to nicely is proper human behavior and there wasn’t anything romantic happening at all. She doesn’t know him that well yet and I’m really glad that she rejected him. I hope they start to know each other more and maybe fall in love!
I agree with you but the reason I am upset with the FL is because of one simple reason, a way to end all of it. Just talk. She never talks to anyone or asks questions and assumes. You're right, she doesn't know the duke that well, because every time he's tried to talk to her she runs away. He can't even say 'Good morning' before she runs our of the room. She assumed that he was this person who only wants to hurt her but he has been nothing than nice to her. He's even trying to change himself so that she would just TALK to him. 'No one told her otherwise,' right, because she never asked. Everyone thought that she was aware of the dukes feelings. Everyone in this story is trying to talk to her but she never gives them a chance and lives off of her assumptions. She's known this prophecy for years but has yet to tell anyone about it. Yes, I understand that she is being cautious and I understand why she didn't talk to the duke but why not her family?! Even if it was still years after it happened, telling her family would have helped the situation and calm her down. She expects to live a normal life but if you are continuously ignoring your fiance and acting mean towards him and his femald friend who just wants to be friends with you, your life isn't going to be normal. Its going to be 10x harder because now everyone thinks you're crazy and evil. She's hurting so many people's feelings and confusing others because she's living on opinions and not facts. So many things could have been solved already if she just talked to someone, anyone, and she never does! Thats what annoys me about her.
Of course at first she ran away from the ML bc she was sure that he would kill him, just as you said. But my point was that she changed. She came to understand that maybe He won’t kill her. But you see I don’t agree that “No one told her bc she never asked” bc let’s say you meet someone who has a golden ring on their ring finger. You would assume that they are married. And another thing she didn’t have to ask if there was something going on with the Duke and serenia bc she didn’t care. And she doesn’t have to. She wasn’t in love with the Duke so why should she care that he has a girlfriend. I mean it came down to the Duke to explain things bc he was the only one in love. I agree with not talking to the family about the prophecy. But I also understand that maybe she didn’t tell bc she didn’t want to worry them. She thought she could simply fix it by living calmly and normally and I don’t think that hurts anyone. You see I don’t think she was trying to be mean. And she had that mental image of the cold Serenia bc Serenia destroyed her friend in front of everyone. This gave Serenia the ruthless image FL got and I agree that Serenia was way too rude. Maybe everything would be solved if she just talked with people, but you see she doesn’t know them. She is just getting close to them. Why should she or anyone else tell their whole life story from the first meeting? They don’t have to and personally I would never do that.
I can get behind almost ecerything you said. But personally, I don't think she did change. Yes, she may have changed her opinion on him but she herself has not developed. She still keeps everyone at double arms length and still doesn't talk to anyone and lives by her assumptuons. She may not see him as a threat but she isn't trying to get to know him as anything else. Like I understand that she doesn't have feelings for him yet but if I'm going to be married to someone, I at least want to be friends with them. Its not like the duke is pushing her away, he's trying to get at least a talking relationship started but she's not. Like is she planning on avoiding him the entirety of this marriage? And you say its the duke job to explain...lets be honest; he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to this subject. He doesn't even realize people think he and Serina are like that so he doesn't know that he has to explain to her that they're not. Hence "What does Serina have to do with this?" And Serina...I'm not sure what you're talking about. Like she destroyed her friend? What chapter is this cause I obvioulsy forgot that. (I don't know if that sounds rude or not but I genuinely mean I don't remember it so seriously, what chapter?) But to be fair she is trying to get a friendly relationship with FL...the female doesn't need to be friends with her but I'm assuming Serina is just really lonley and saw a woman who's in a similar situation as her and thought this could be her first female friend since she got to this world without realizing what FL was actually thinking.
I enjoy the story a lot and I like the female lead, I was just saying talking would literally solve everything. Ever heard of the Anime/Manga 'Gamers!'? People literally call it 'Misuderstanding' the anime cause everything would be solved if they talked and explained stuff but never does and it leads to a whole lot of misuderstandings. The difference between that series and SLoRL is I thought Gamers! was funny...this just makes me pity everyone.
The Male lead may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but he himself said “What are you doing to my partner?” Like in front of everyone. This is the same chapter (Chapter 2) in which Serenia embarrassed FL’s friend in front of everyone. Which I understand that she was trying to protect herself bc she didn’t start the argument but this still gave her the cold, cruel look to her. But you see this changed bc now they are becoming friends! They are starting know each other and they even call each other by their first names! You say she didn’t change when she obviously did, so I don’t understand what you consider as change.
I never heard of that Anime/manga but I also don’t see why these two would be similar? Bc there is only one and maybe two (if you really squint) misunderstandings in this whole manhwa. First one is obviously the relationship between ML and Serenia (once again even though he isn’t the brightest he still said “what are you doing to my partner?” in front of everyone so he basically created the misunderstanding in the first place and it’s still up-to him to fix it) and the second misunderstanding could be...hmm the wizard? I mean the prophecy as maybe all this time she misunderstood it as she would literally die (though I don’t think so as the wizard was very ominous when he said this). So yeah! There are like two misunderstandings and I don’t see why anyone should be pitiable?
Ohhh a verbal fight, my dumbself over here thought you meant a physical one. But...I went back to reread chapter two and...are you talking about the girl who slapped her?! Cause no, she deserved that. She literally came up to woman who she had never met, slapped her and called her a worthless woman with worthless background....I think Serina has the right to tell her off. Serina wasn't the rude one, that chick did that to herself.
I also saw where the duke said 'What are you doing to my partner." And once again...he's just stupid. Knowing him, he probably ment fighting partner or ball dance partner and lets be honest, he probably doesn't even remember that happened. I do agree that its still his job to clear things up, I'm just saying he doesn't realize that there is anything to clear up. As far as he's concerned, the woman who he asked to marry him agreed to marry him and then comes to the house, seems to hate him and run away from him. If you look at it that way, if I was him I would be confused to. And you said there are only 2 misunderstandings in the manhwa but there are much more. Yes, those are the two major misunderstandings but those two lead to small little ones. For example, when he tried to give her gifts; she thought she was being poisned or when Serina was trying to become friends with her, she thought she was being threatened. The whole manhwa is littered with these situations where someone comes to her with the intent of kindness and she somehow twist it around to be the exact opposite. Another thing that people seem to forget is the first misunderstanding, the marriage itself. Her father saod that if she ever wanted to break the engagment, she could. Of course she doesn't know this because he didn't tell her but if she went up and talked to her father about how she felt and that she didn't want to get married, then he would have never let her. If that 1 conversation happened, she wouldn't have been in this situation. And I'm not saying that she should have been the one start this conversation but thats the problem. No one talks but because we follow the FL who is from our world, we expect her to make the most logical decisions. But because of that conversation she had with the oricale, she...how do I say this...is paranoid(?) She constantly runs away from people who she doesn't know but sees them as a threat, she doesn't trust a lot of people and is not close witg a lot of people. Not even her family, she doesn't talk to her father about how she feels and even in the first chapter, she never realized how attached her siblings were to her.
You say that shes changed a lot but I honestly don't see it. Like I said her perspective of people may have changed but I don't see anything different about her than from the start of the manhwa, like she still acts and think relatively the same...in fact, it sometimes feels like she got colder. Oh also, when I meant pity, I don't find them pitiful I find the situation pitful. Like, when she was misunderstanding the gifts or when he thought she hated him it made me go, "Damn...thats tough," cause he's trying but just not getting it. I like this story, I just find it ironic that literally none of this would happen if people just talked lol.
Oh I definitely agree that the purple haired lady had that coming for her but still like the FL said its politics. By twisting her words as something they weren’t she ended her maybe whole social life and you know I just thought that it was kind of extreme as even though she was in the wrong it was inevitable, someone else would do the same bc Serenia is an unknown factor in the high social class. No one knows if she is even a commoner or not and the bourgeoisie are highly protective of their position. Even though the purple haired girl probably didn’t think that I think everyone else would. And now no one else will talk to her bc Serenia made it out as purple was questioning the royal family’s decision.
Now that you said it yes there are a lot of small misunderstandings and I totally agree with you that our FL is paranoid. She came into this world hoping to do better, to live better. But all of her dreams were brutally crushed bc of the wizard. That’s why she is paranoid. And I think she can’t just change that easily. If you live your whole life thinking that one day you’ll die bc of something, you’d get overly conscious of that thing. If the prophet had said “you’ll die in a car crash” she’d be thinking about her death whenever she was in a car, heck maybe she wouldn’t ever step inside a car. And this paranoia made her distant and self absorbed. She ignored her siblings without meaning to bc she always focused on that thought of staying alive. She twists their kind intentions bc in her mind they aren’t kind. She doesn’t know these people and all she knows about them is that they can kill her. I say that she is changed bc she is no longer afraid of that prophecy. She believes that she can change her fate now! And she is getting a lot more closer with her siblings and family! That’s change in my books.
I agree that if her father could have just asked her everything would have been easier but he didn’t bc he wanted the Duke to prove himself. And FL didn’t ask for the cancellation bc she always (from the beginning) thought that this engagement wouldn’t last. That it was temporary already so why does she need to make a fuss? She doesn’t.
I don’t agree that the duke is so very confused bc FL agreed to marry him but is now distant, I think he is confused bc she seems to have a lot of emotional baggage. This was a political marriage from the beginning. The duke talked with FL’s father and they decided to get these two married. FL didn’t object bc sooner or later she would have to marry and it didn’t matter who it was. But after learning that it was the Duke she knew that this engagement wouldn’t last bc of Serenia. And you see she didn’t read this story or that she woke up to the world she read in a book. This was just an average fantasy romance novel to her. All of the same things would happen: a girl would appear, the duke would save her, the two would fall in love, done! There is no need for anyone to be between them, heck anyone that came in between them could die (that’s why she is suspicious of everything, bc she is paranoid bc she is expecting to die by their hands)
Once again I agree that none of this would happen if everyone just talked, but even in real life no one ever tells each other everything. She didn’t tell her family about the prophecy bc she didn’t want to worry them and thought that she could fix it by doing nothing. She didn’t tell Serenia that she was from another world bc their worlds were different. She didn’t know the time Serenia lived and so didn’t Serenia. (I honestly thought that Serenia was kind of hmm not dumb but slightly dumb bc she told the FL everything but I also understand her reasoning. She is in an unknown world all alone and this lady might know about what happened to her! While FL knows the basic reasoning of stuff but not everything)
Maybe it’s just me but I think she is breaking years of brainwashing. That might seem extreme but the wizard doesn’t need to repeat it over and over again for it to be brainwashing, she is doing that herself bc she can’t help it. I recently watched a video about kidnapping survivors and the lady there said that everyone could be manipulated, even if you just bought something bc someone else told you it was nice that’s still being manipulated even though its on a smaller scale. The lady in that video was brainwashed from a young age into thinking that if she didn’t birth a child when she was 16 something horrible would happen to the world and so she decided to kill herself before that, but she became suspicious in that last moments. She decided to test, to do something her captives said she couldn’t do and see if something horrible really did happen, it didn’t! She broke years of brainwashing and manipulation by herself and that’s really hard to do. I don’t know if this was an extreme example but it just gave me a newer perspective to look at FL. Breaking of years of paranoia, of the thought that you’ll die if you do anything extreme would be quite hard. But she did that! On their engagement day! She yelled at the wizard! That he can no longer control her or her future! Once again that’s change in my books!
Ps: I don’t know if you’d agree but I’m having a great time talking and discussing with you. I don’t see this as a competition to see who’s right or wrong like “haha! It’s as I say, you’re wrong!” I don’t see it like that. It’s really nice to hear your thoughts on my thoughts. If there is any other manhwa you wish to discuss (and that I already read or am reading) let me know if you want to!
Alrighty then! I think we just came to a middle ground of agreement! I mean I still think purple chick totally had it coming because, yeah other people would have said that but other peole wouldn't have introduced themselves by slapping her out of jealously! Like seriously, thats how you gonna give your first impression?! We shluld be lucky Serina didn't slap her back (then people would really have a reason to be scared of her) Eh, everything else I can understand but I will say I never thought of brainwashing...I always kinda just saw her as someone with PTSD but I know that its a sensitive topic with people and I didn't want to lable her like that incase the symptoms were wrong. And you know what, its sad because with her personality she would have been like one of the coolest FL in manhwa's because she started learning swordsmanship and magic in the when she was younger and then *boom* Oracle dude came along and ruined everything! (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ but I do think she's one of the most realistic if the author is trying to portray PTSD or brainwashing inside her character because when you go through things like that, it is hard to break those bad habits because its your way of protecting yourself.
And yes! This was so fun! I love doing debates like this and I read a lot of manhwa's and webtoons just like this. To name a few (Suddenly Became a Princess, Abandoned Empress, The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass, Beware of the Villainess (Two of my favorites of the moment) and A Witch's Hopeless Wish) add in like...80 more and you got my whole collection ....yh I have a problem, don't need to tell me but pick one and we could definitly debate something on one.
I love love love Suddenly became a princess one day & Beware of the villainess. I also like abandoned empress and the empress reverses the hourglass. The only one I hadn’t read was A witch's hopeless wish but I’ll certainly take a look. You can choose whichever you want but I don’t think I would say anything too negative about the first two bc they are my favorites and I love everything about them. I don’t have a topic to focus on and discuss that comes to mind right now so if you do have something on mind feel free to say so. I also like remarried empress and I choose the emperor ending. And uhh I don’t remember the name but brown haired girl comes to past with telephone and the male lead is red haired. Ob! And I love love love the emperor and the female knight (I’m not sure if that was the complete name) and I’m in love with Pauliana, so yeah do let me know if you have a topic and I’ll do the same if I think of something :)
Omg yes yes yes!! I highly recommend A Witch's Hopeless Wish, its sooo good but I started I Choose the Emperor Ending but never finished for some reason but I'll start it again. And I loove Remarried Empress and Emperor and the Female Knight. I already know how both is going to end but I'm reading RE just to see Trashita suffer and EaFK because I simp for Paul. Like, I'm not gay but if Paul asked me to be her wife, I am NOT saying no. Also, a manhwa I love to rant about is I Became the Villains Mother(?) the FL is starting grow on me but she could use a lot of development imo...
Now, important question for Suddenly Became a Princess: Lucas or Ijekiel?
I think I started the I became the villains mother but didn’t finish it I guess, I read it once more!
Omg Lucas or Ijekiel uhh it’s hard bc I loved the baby Ijekiel but then he became smug. I really don’t like sadistic smug characters but I don’t think he’ll turn out that way so I guess my heart is with Ijekiel but Lucas...I love Lucas but at the same time I feel like we don’t know him yet (I mean duh he is hundreds of years old and never explained his past) so for now...just for now Ijekiel (and even though I don’t actually hate the brown haired girl I...I felt so satisfied when Ijekiel rejected her) how about you? Lucas or Ijekiel?
I am whole heartedly a Lucas fan. Even though we don't know a lot about him, he is just the enbodiment of my type of character (fictional wise) He's snarky and funny even though the main characters may not think that they care a lot, they worry about them the most. He's like a mixture of Karma from Assasination Classroom and Hak from Yona of the Dawn (Two of my favorite male characters ever) so of course I'm in love with him and finding out his past is just gonna mame me love him more.
Ijekiel, I don't hate him but I don't love him. I have this thing where I can't stand if charcaters, usually the second male lead, get so confident to the point they start to think that the FL is theirs already. Like the Library scene when they were younger. Even though then he was just trying to be friends, I guess, she said it was her library and asked him to leave and it took Lucas for this man to dip. Like she asked one, she shouldn't have to ask again. And that scene when he tried ti confess
Omg yes that library scene made me so angry like, hello? Who do you think you are? Literally, why would you do that? But after that I think he understood his boundaries and backed off instead of pushing so I like that he changed.
I want to get to know Lucas more! See more of him!
Btw I forgot to mention! If you go to my homepage(?) and look at my things(?) there is a ranking list I made while reading fantasy romance manhwas and if you read some of those, we can talk about those as well! There are like 40 manhwas but they are not my top 40 like I really hate some of those...but yeah!
I mean I don’t know if I’m right but to me it didn’t seem like he had this rooted hatred towards bisexuals, it just seemed like you know how when there are a lot of kids around and you just got off school and it’s noisy so you think to yourself “god I hate kids” or you hear a straight man insult women and being homophobic and you once again think “god I hate straight people” it was a thought in passing. Do I want all children to die? Of course not! Do I want all straight people to die? Once again of course not! If he had this deep rooted hatred and loathing towards bisexuals I think it would have a more important or big part in the episode. But the episode was about two people who have known each other’s bodies but never considered the other person on a deeper level, and now! Now they finally get to know each other on another level. I think it was very cute
If he really hated bisexuals he wouldn't still be close friends and working buddies with his ex lol
What I don’t understand is, what does Heinley’s friend have anything to gain by helping Trashta? I mean isn’t he Heinley’s friend? Why does he make his own friend seem suspicious in front of the Empress? I hate the friend almost as much as I hate Trashta and the trash emperor.
So he can control Trashta as he pleases....because she trusts him
Yeah but what does he have anything to gain by controlling trashta? He is rich so I don’t think it’s money and it’s not like trashta can influence the emperor so it’s useless to think that if he controls trashta he could also control the emperor...I still don’t understand
@Ozge do you want to be spoilerd ?
Yes! Yes yes!
Excuse my language but what kind of bullshit excuse was that??? Like nothing justifies rape and the ex talks like “I did it for you, it’s better this way” no bitch shut up! You could have ran away together left the group and all that. Hell you could have told everything to your boyfriend like “see the leader wants you and he said this and that” hell in the most absurd case you could have faked it together like “muhaha we are going to act like you were gang-raped and then we are going to run away! So that the leader forgets you!” This would’ve been ten times better even though it sound dumb
Not really justifying the ex, but tell me a solution ? Even if they run away they can't do it forever, they will be caught someday and boom the the uke become sex slave of some Mafia and get ruined. Secondly if you Read it again ex didn't rape him but rather his Yakuza gang members and you think they can easily fake a gang rape and Yakuza boss be okay, obviously he will take videos or send his Subordinates, Could someone better become A sex toy for Yakuza forever or get a few trauma but still able to move on someday ? I am not supporting the ex, but even if I look from every angle I can't find any solution. I really hope there was another way, The only I think I feel us pity for Nana to have been caught on this situation.
To me it didn’t seem like the mafia leader was obsessed OBSESSED with the uke. I mean of course he wasn’t if he says things like “I’ll give up on him if he gets gang-raped” I think the mafia leader was just playing with the seme and wanted to see if he would actually let his boyfriend get gang-raped just for him to leave the uke alone. Once again, I don’t know the mafia leader or the whole story from that side but aren’t there police in japan? Are they that incompetent that they can’t find them a safe house? Or at least investigate the mafia group? To me it seemed like if they ran away the mafia leader wouldn’t be bothered to pursue them because once again he didn’t seem that obsessed about the uke
God I love that scene in chapter 2 where she says with the coldest smile ever “I don’t need it anymore.” Damn I like that, so cold so fierce
I love this manhwa, i really do but for the past few chapters one issue kept bothering me: Aerum and Oakjae. I know that Aerum isn’t perfect, hell he is disrespectful and selfish but that still doesn’t mean he has to be treated like this all the time. If Aerum was as selfish as everyone claims than I don’t think he would do anything he actually doesn’t want to do. But instead he listens to everything Oakjae says, agreeing with all her wishes and getting nothing in return. I don’t mean nothing as he never enjoys anything they do, bc he clearly does but his own wishes are always dismissed. He wants a blowjob and a normal sex. I’m not saying that Oakjae has to force herself to do the things she hates but to some extent that’s exactly what Aerum is doing. Oakjae reminds me of her past boyfriend. He used to threaten her with being beaten up but now Oakjae threatens Aerum with leaving him. Another issue for me was that Oakjae never looked as happy as when she was dating Yoonki. Hell, her smile there was what interested Aerum but now she never smiles and it makes me wonder whom did Aerum fell in love with? On one side there was an abusive boyfriend, on the other there was a cheating bf/sex friend and out of all of them the one who was least shitty gets treated the worse. Aerum is dumb and childish, in a way he is similar to Minhee in his “selfishness” (though I didn’t witness it as selfishness for a long time) but they are treated completely different. Yes I understand that at the beginning Aerum said rude things and made fun of people but everyone can change given the right lesson. I think his lesson was to get his arm broken and I feel like he changed a bit. Hell, he even apologized to Minsuh when he first saw her next. And still he is treated like he never changed at all. I don’t like it. I want Aerum to do as Oakjae demanded him to do and read more books, educate himself and get to know himself better and then leave Oakjae bc he deserves better. Oakjae might need him bc “oh when will I ever find someone as obedient as him?” But Aerum could find someone better. Hell, if he liked anal so much he could maybe experiment with boys idk. I just want to see him get treated better...
I absolutely agree!!!! I got tired of Oakjae treating Aerum like an inconvenience (add the questionably consensual (?) sex scenes)... now I just skip their parts because I see no development in her treatment to Aerum and i have given up on them. Just want him to be happy and be a better person. I dont need them to end up together