I liked it a lot though the story is a bit weak. What happend to the other guy who was bullied? The main character doesn't care about what happend to his real body. It's all about adapting at school and the friend he once had. I just think in such a situation you have different priorities.
He cares about his body he even said in like chapter 14 he's just afraid of what he would find if he went to see his body
Yeah, in chapter 14. A bit late. He also shows not much compassion for the other guy who got bulied so much. The guy was raped and killed himself. For the main character that's all a joke. He got the name "mad dog" in no time and is most concerend about a childhood friend he hasn't seen for at least 10 years (they look very very young in the flash backs) Also the family relations are a bit shallow. His brother is hating him so much because ...?
Just saying. I like the story, but it could be better.
Why does he need to show compassion? He is literally dealing with all the bullying the guy whos body he is posessing got. Getting attacked for no reason even at home by his own "sibling".
Ofcoarse he is more worried about what happened to his old bestfriend . They were very close then he just up and dissapeared breaking their promise . Now that childhood friend is a totally different person altogether !
I dont think you quite get the story tbh . This is one of the best Yaoi storylines Ive read in a while .
IKKKKKRRRRRRR and he will show some compassion towards han si won when he watches the dvd I'm certain!
???? I see how far compassion for others gets in the world of yaoi ...
A childhood friend you haven't seen for so long is sooo important? What kind of friendship can you establish at the age of 5 or 6? At least they look that young. But that's a common thing in yaoi. The sooo strong childhood friendship. It's not realistic, but who cares.
Why he should show compassion for the other guy? You really ask me that? No comment, seriously.
I said two times that I like the story. The art ist great, the idea is even better. I enjoy it a lot. But it's a tipical yaoi work where some things are super important and others not. Again, I wake up in a differnt body and what do I do? I try going to school and learning some maths. Sure! The whole supernatural thing would blow my mind! He is dealing with the bullying? Like I said: for him it's a joke. I enjoy a lighter yaoi, no need for drama. But it's sad, that he is able to fight back so easily while the other one was broken completely. The "other one" is for me at least as interesting as the main character but we haven't seen and heard much of him. Maybe we will in the future. I hope so.
But you're right. I don't get the story. I hear that several times. People are saying it when I dare to criticize a manga. Which you shoudn't do on mangago.zone. That's a place where you should only squeal: "It's so hot! Yeah! I love it! They will need some lube in the future! Yeah!"
I don't see any critical comments. As if every work here would be perfect. Seriously ... Critism is only coming if something isn't cheesy and a bit twisted. Because people don't get it if it's not fitting in their super fluffy yaoi world.
Whatever. Sorry for my bad English. I'm not a native speaker.
Your English is just fine! I think one important thing to note is that this is more than just childhood friendship. They were emotional supports through abuse, neglect, and poverty--all each other had--I'm thinking their bond would be on the closeness level of siblings.
Also, since his pal up and disappeared and he couldn't do anything about it since he was just a powerless child he'd probably always wonder/worry what had happened.
I obviously really love this manga, and it's totally fine to criticize it if you don't like it. You've taken the time to explain yourself well. I just think that dismissing their connection because they were young (and it really wasn't that long ago since they're still teens) is incorrect in this story.
I agree! I hope the guy who was bullied and raped has a bit more backstory.
HOW DARE YOU SAY ITS WEAK!!!!! It's lovely~ why!? can't u understand (sob, sob). HUHUH HUHU
when I pressed this plus butoon I wqas like Oh my gwad!! this gonna take lil bit of time ta read tis.
wasn't able ta finishit.
I don't think people are trying to be assholes when they say you don't get it. They are really trying to tell you the truth, because you clearly don't. People in survival mode don't have time for compassion. Nonetheless, if you pay attention, Tae-min does show compassion, and a lot of it, even early on. He meets the brother, then he meets the bullies, and he thinks to himself, "Wow...you had no one. You were completely, and utterly alone." That's compassion right there. If you want to talk about compassion, reading a story like this involves putting yourself in the shoes of people who are not like you. Not everyone is able to hug and be best friends with everyone they meet. The main characters in this story have a ton of baggage, and they are not going to behave like people who have had more stable and loving lives. What Tae-min and Woo-jin went through causes PTSD, and that manifests differently for different people. In some people, they become hypersensitive, and in others, they become the opposite: they learn to cope by emotionally detaching. That is normal when you are surrounded by pain and suffering. This is not a rainbows and butterflies story. It is about someone who keeps fighting even while engulfed in flames. It's beautiful, but it is anything but sugar-coated.
I wonder how old you are. People have ideas of life I had 20 years ago ...
A-FREAKING-MEN
That was me, and I forgot to sign in, lol. Regarding what you are saying, I actually thought the same thing you did about my comment when you were reading my comments. I used to have an idealistic view of right and wrong, and various life experiences have changed how I view things like that. Those experiences include studying psychology in college, working as a victim advocate for victims of violence and trauma, going through postpartum depression, getting PTSD from a traumatic experience, and the list goes on. Those experiences taught me that not everyone is wired the same way, and that coping mechanisms vary. There are many ethical codes that I abide by and expect people to abide by as well around me.
Oh, and I am not young. I am most likely in the top 5% in terms of the ages of readers led this manhwa. I don't know if you were trying to be superior or insulting, or were just genuinely attempting to keep the discussion going, but I can assure you that my views cannot be influenced by youth when I am not youthful. However, do not underestimate the insights of those who are youthful either.
It's hot and emotional. I get a fuzzy feeling. But the characters are pitful. It's bothering me. I never liked Doumeki, but now even Yahiro is so weak, a little drama queen. There are millions of people out there who never experience love. Just saying ... it's a bit too dramatic the whole only-love-will-heal-us-thing. As if! And now Yashiro is making such a big deal out of it. We got it, it's hard for him to accept love. We know. We have seen that for countless chapters. I so hope this manga will end soon. Yondeda Kou is great, but this story was just too long ... I'm excited for new works of her.
I feel excited again. It's getting better ... feels like the old days ... Love to see Thorkell back <3
The farmland arc was BAD, not because it was boring, no, because the characters were terrible. I'm so glad seeing Thorkell and hearing about Askeladd ... That's why I felt in love with this manga ... Bring back some good characters! Sadly Askeladd will not return from the dead :(
Sorry, but I don't like that Ren is looking like a 12 years old after all this time. Isn't he supposed to be 16/17?
He looks okay to me, because some Japanese look really young for their age and I was like that too. When I was in America, everyone thought I was about twelve when I was actually twenty one. Believe me, I'm not the only one.
I'm not even a fan of this manga, but that's what I have found on the internet.
SPOILER
http://www.mymangamarathon.com/2016/09/discovering-boys-love-saezuru-tori-wa-habatakanai.html
Doumeki is in utter despair
Yashiro climbed on top on him and started moving a bit,
Yashiro questions him, “what’s the matter? we can finally do it, I can finally get to know what you like?”
But Doumeki can’t bring himself to continue. “Sorry”, it’s all he can say.
“You can’t do it after all, can you?” Yashiro asks, smiling sadly. There’s an interesting shift in Yashiro here, with his hair down, like back in those days.
Doumeki is in a shock here, wasn’t Yashiro going to fire him after all?
??????
Yashiro has been eagerly awaiting all this time to do it with him?
We see flashbacks from Doumeki’s POV, it turns out Doumeki DID know Yashiro back when he was a cop!
Telling him his story of when he first saw him, Doumeki confesses his love.
“I was so captivated by you, I couldn’t help it”, he says, covering his eyes.
He was patrolling the streets when Yashiro greeted him, and he briefly saluted with a tip of his hat.
I don’t know, but with Doumeki’s prowess and training, he really doesn’t seem like an ordinary cop. Unless you go for the angle of officer with ‘a brilliant future’ that got ruined.
Anyways, Yashiro is shocked too by the confession, can’t handle it, and gives himself a shower, fully clothed.
saezuru tori wa habatakanai 23
Yashiro really looks vulnerable here. What a twist. He’s feeling like in those Kageyama days, the tragedy of one sided love.
As he thinks over and over what Doumeki said.
What is it about him?
He can’t do it with him but has been in love with him since when…?
Doumeki in his room after what he just said. “Did I really screw it up?”
But he hears the sounds of water and hurries himself with a towel, only to find Yashiro sitting by the bathtub, dazzled.
And this is the part where Yashiro tells him that the reason he told him all those things and questioning in the previous chapter is because he was afraid of losing him, since he’s only been three months in the job, and he just couldn’t stand it if he died in the line of work for him!
oh boy, the problem here is that he has been thinking precisely of firing Doumeki because he LOVES him! He wants him to be safe, free from this yakuza world!
Doumeki can’t friggin believe it, he’s crying.
Well, the rest I have no words. You have seen the kiss and hug panels already.
sorry i link the same thing......... ╥﹏╥
Thank you so much!!!
Thank you so much!!! I'm so happy!
I'm giving up on this series. I'm tired. No developement, nothing. But a new hot guy. Yeah! Hot, hot, hot ... it's all people can think about. I guess only 14 years old are reading this story.
I'm 24 and I'm sure there must be even older people here. But hey, if what you want is hard sex, the 98% of the rest of Yaoi stories (and I'm telling you that cause I have already read them) has it. If you don't know how to appreciate good work go for a different one and stop blurting nonsense c:
Nice to meet you too.
You made me laugh! I understand you at this point.
I really love this manhua even if the development his really slow. In the manhua's defense, I would say that it's pretty normal. They are still in middle school and are "exploring the mysteries of teenagers lives with all the angst" if I can phrase it like that.
If you look at the beginning of the story which is around the 50th chapter, I don't think the story timeline is more than six months. We saw in earlier chapters the main couple with Zhenxi in college and Jian Yi in high school and that's the present. Right now, it's about their past and what happened before Jian Yi was abducted.
I know that it's pretty tiring seeing people reacting only at the "hotness" of the guy, but I want to see past that, because other than the delusional "OMG! So hot! Love triangle incoooming, giggles <3 <3", I believe that he's important to the story.
I actually enjoy the story, even if it's not fast paced. The status quo in the main couple is not that bad right now, because Zhengxi right is sorting out his feelings and Jian Yi want just to be with him even if it doesn't mean more for Xi.
For the "side gays" as people like calling them, Guanshan reaction to the kiss was one of the most satisfying reaction I've seen in a BL. It's not the "kiss kiss fall in love" situation I tend to see in every abusive relationship in BL. He's afraid of He Tian. I think he is kind of scared of the new guy too, cause he was sweating and stuttering when he saw him.
That's my two cents about it and like you, I find it very bothersome that people only think about the hotness of the guy. I think Old Xian is doing a good job with this manhua and is a good storyteller.
i agree with you. The main story is not going anywhere!
I complained about the new hot guy. So you can assume it's not sex what I want. I want good and emotional writing. The mangaka is capable of that, we saw that in several chapters. But the story is going nowhere. Read it from the beginning (I did some days ago!) and you will see. It's a mess, no (character)development at all, we don't know anything about the characters and it's just too late to give this story some depth. On the other hand it's full of cliches I don't even know where to start. It's all about hot guys doing hot stuff. Period. The lack of sex doesn't mean, that this is good storytelling.
About the other 98% of yaoi manga you mention: no thanks. I search for the good ones. And sometimes it's a tiring search with no happy end.
I agree
Whoa, whoa. The original commenter didn't mention anywhere that she/he is anywhere in need for hardcore sex. The fact that they are getting tired of it is none of your concern, for there are others out there including myself and my sister who are of the same opinion and would like to see another person have it. Why do you feel fired up? Please do not be rude to a person expressing their valid criticism. She is perfectly allowed to criticize.
I agree the development on the main couple is quite slow and opposite for he tian and guanshan which is why im more into them than xixi and jian yi. But cant blame of old xian trying to be realistic because a person cannot fall in love with a man so fast if hes straight in the first place.
No character development? Really? You're kidding, right? What are you calling a character development at this point?
First of all, Mo Guanshan doesn't go searching for fights anymore. He tries to avoid the main couple and He Tian at some point. Even if his father is in jail, from what we have seen in the latest chapter, he is on good terms with his mother.
Zhan Zhengxi doesn't hit Jian Yi anymore and tries to understand his friend. Avoiding the topic of love is perfectly normal. Not every teenager is open-minded about relationships and the big hurdle here is the gay relationship. Zhengxi is not oblivious anymore, he knows what his friend want and try to process thing at his pace. If that is not what we could call a development, I don't really know the meaning behind it.
As for the others, Jian Yi didn't change the way he is because of his friend. At this point, he wants to maintain the status quo.
He Tian is the only one who didn't change at this point and his time is coming too.
For the clichés, I would appreciate if you name them instead of just saying that.
At last, it's about "one day". If "one day" is one chapter, how many "days" does it take for a span of a single day to be complete?
For Jian yi's birthday it was "17 days"
The day Guanshan was introduced is the same day Zhengxi and him fight, "15 days"
The day Jian Yi was almost kidnapped, "26 days".
My point is that the narrative is very slow paced because of Old Xian's choice to draw a single day (how they behave at school and the night, what you call "hot guys doing hot stuff").
Is the story going nowhere? I think she is trying go somewhere, we know that the main couple was separated for two years and that's about it for now. I can't call that a story, but there is certainly more depth there.
You have your opinion, and you giving up on the story is your choice. But I think that your criticism is unfounded.
Also, I choose to discuss with you because you're are the only one in this topic that doesn't bring up the "OMG! New hot guy!!!" stuff and that's far more interesting.
*you're the only person who doesn't bring
About the character development: you're right. Everything you wrote is right. How much time you needed to type that down? That's really the whole develompent you see there. And now we have 170+ chapters. I have no idea about the background of the silver haired guy (sorry, I'm incredible bad with asian names), his mother had a short appearance (of course she was smoking hot and a bad ass), there was some kidnapping going on, even the kidnappers are incredible hot and I personally think the whole cool-guys-come-and-want-to-get-me is pretty cliche. Not to mention that the black haired guy is somehow related to the kidnappers. The world is small I guess.
The idea that childhood friends fall in love is also not new. The silver haired guy seems to be straight, he only loves his friend - cliche, not to mention that the friend is also straight (straight people getting gay for each other - cliche), the other pairing, the red haired one is a fighter (of course - in every korean manhwa there is some fighting going on - cliche), the other one is abusive, that's also not really new. And the best thing: the sister. Her reaction to the relationship of the two main couples is stupid and just meant for laughter. She really is the most useless character you can think about.
Don't get me wrong. This work is better than most out tere. That's why I'm so incredible annoyed by the storytelling. The author could do better.
I'm giving up because I'm tired. I prefer a "dense" storytelling. I'm sure after xx chapters there will be a BIG emotional moment (like the kiss scene between the main characters) but I will pass on it. My patience run out. Especially after the latest chapter. A new guy appears, who of course is smoking hot. I guess we need 100+ chapter to see some development of him. No thanks. I want to learn more about the characters I already know and I'm not intersted in reading about the newest hot guy who appeared!
I see you feel the need to correct yourself? Well, I'm sorry for my bad English.
It took me almost one hour to type everything down, lol!
Okay, I see your point.
Other than the main and the side, I don't really want to see any other development. I see the new guy only as a plot device and I hope she will go with that. I don't really want to see another character introduced.
The mystery about Jian Yi (silver hair) and He Tian (black hair) is the part of the story.
The manhua (this one is chinese) has comedy in his genres, it's normal to have the comic relief (the sister is has a brother complex).
That remark with the red haired fighter cracks me up!
Also, chill! Do you have some kind of bad blood with hot characters?
Well, I don't correct myself every time. it's just for me, I thought it was kind of rude using "that" instead of "who" for a person. English is not my native language, so we are both okay. (^_^)
"Do you have some kind of bad blood with hot characters?"
LOL. Yeah, I have. Like I mentioned somewhere else: I'm a writer myself. And if my characters are not cool and hot, nobody is interested in my stories. People are pretty superficial, that's annoying me to death. I like to write about dorky and funny characters, not prince charmings. But yeah, people are like: I want hot and sexy! When you write hetero storys the man has to be rich, attractive, cool, smart and of course the best lover with the greatest penis on earth LOL. It's not very different in Yaoi/Shounen-Ai, sexiness is always selling. It's just sad that everything else is not selling that good. Well, I shouldn't complain. I have an "okay" income ... which really is a miracle. When I read a manga and the rating is 9+ I know immediately that will be something I don't enjoy. The highly rated manga are most of the time cheesy, mindless and smutty. 19 days and Saezuru from Yoneda Kou are the only works on this side I enjoy despite the good rating. But lately I'm losing faith in both ... Not to mention that the people who comment only say they should finally fuck. That goes for both works. 90% of the readers are only lusting for sex. And if you complain about it they are like you're telling them the moon is the sun. They completely don't get you LOL.
LOL, I know that feeling. I wanted to write to you earlier when you still had 2 dislikes that people will bash you. And right now, someone is marking every comment you make as annoying. That's the kind of stupidity you get from people when you have a different opinion.
I dislike the hot/rich/smart character setting in stories, but I'd give a shot. When you add a sadist in that, I find it automatically boring. That's why I found the red hair being a refresh amongst those hot guys. I was baffled when they were people who said that they don't know why people like him, he's not that "hot" to be with the black hair.
Of course, I just want to see a good story develop even if the pacing is the slowest I could get.
It's been a while since I've read Saezuru. I don't read many yaoi like before. For me it's just this one and some chinese web novels.
You're a writer, that's awesome. Someday, I would like to buy at least one of your stories.
Hehehe! Nice... c:
Love it. Really.
"We just have to loosen up this place, right?"
Seriously? After doing it with that giant dildo? What's there to loosen up?
my thoughts exactly. Heck I think it as even bigger than Alex's
Ikr! How can he take something that big (⊙…⊙ )
Also, when he takes something THAT big ALL THE TIME... how can he not have bowel trouble? He must have some serious elasticity
Lol. I was woried about him too ;)
Who wrote this? A man? Only licking nippels, no oral sex, missing a penis when you can use toys and your fingers ... There are countless possibilities to statisfy your partner. A penis alone would never be able to achive that. Talking about "coming the same time" as if that matters ... I'm speechless.
Well, i did see them 69ing at one point....
Yep, they did ^^
But they did go down oneachother, they did scissoring and apparently 69 as well. So I don't know what you're talking about. Did you read the all manga? And what if it was a man? What's the issue?
But they did go down on eachother, they did scissoring and apparently 69 as well. So I don't know what you're talking about. Did you read the whole manga? And what if it was a man? What's the issue?
It's a lesbian thing. They don't like toys(dildos and such) all lesbians don't use dildos if they do than they are not a lesbian but a bi. Bc a dildo is a like a penis. Can't call yourself a lesbian if your are using a modeled penis
Oh my god. You're joking, aren't you? I suggest you better don't talk like you know everything of every lesbian person on this planet.
Sex is different for everybody, my guy. Fingers and tongues are bomb, but sometimes they aren't long enough to hit a woman's g-spot, so you have to use a substitute. Practicality.