Mister Pumpkin's Topics (158)

gosh, why do you have so many dislikes? the morals of the mangago community sure is questionable

Because others can't accept the difference between a fiction and reality. I mean.... as much as i want the people here to just enjoy whatever they read and don't really care what they read (bc c'mon guys this is fiction, i don't think we are so immature to not distinguish that they are one), when someone says something real, they be snapping at you. Which is sad.

But you have to consider that we are reading a story BECAUSE it's fiction. If you read a fantasy novel or watch a show and someone comes with "iT DoEsN't mAkE sEnSe!" someone would roll their eyes. They know that in fiction everything is possible and I believe they are old enough to know the difference.

I read many yaois and it turns out the way like any other and I accepted it. Because in fiction everything is possible and it's the authors creation to change the physics and chemistry between the world. A fiction shouldn't be associated with reality.

Umm, i don't really know if you're agreeing with me or not but what you're saying is basically what i said too hahaha or am i too sleepy to process this. But anyway, true to this, Luka. Happy to meet someone who understands that fiction is still just a fiction

THIS manhwa is NOT a fantasy. Even Fiction is fiction, if you imitate reality, you must assume that there are some elements that you can't put in your story. It's like you say that a book so NO in fiction NOT everything is possible, in scenarios there are rules and genre to respect, for exemple qu'en you talk about fairy tales yes you can put literally everything in your work but if your novel is Historical you can't put fairy or even change date, or do a modern moral while your story is about antiquity or anything like this... That's the same with Mangas. All fictions have limits, if you don't built something with a organisation and some logic your story is not good. That's fundamental when you write a story.

You don't read enough opinion or Yaoi so, because I see contradictions in every works.

So NO fiction isn't everything is possible, fiction isn't a mess, it's a story with character and construction, logic. We have a lot of possibilité fantasy for example with more possibilities and ways to go, yes you can do a little more everything but this manhwa is "Historical" so realistic it can't be everything you want, there are culture to respect, behaviour, there are rules... If you don't respect this your work become a mess.

(⊙…⊙ ) I don't know they don't accept reality ...

Idk I was sleepy too (3 am) ╮(￣▽￣)╭ But I said what I said lol thank you

What you are saying is that every work has a limit to it because of the physics and rules they put in the world. An author has the free right to make their own physics and rules in their own work. They can literally change everything in the next pages if they want to because they have the ability to. Some do, some wasn't to keep it simple. By fantasy I also mean fiction. Fiction has literally no rules like in the real world unless you, the author, applied it to.

LMAO I'm so sorry I misunderstood your original comment Σ( ￣□￣||) Ayy I'm so sorry Σ(っ°Д °;)っ I actually only read the first few words and thought like "sigh*.. Not another one complaining about the rape.."

What I mean is.. I 100% agree with you. XD

Sorry I guess I was too sleepy that night.

YES! I definitely agree. Seungho is sexy and attractive but hell nah he isn’t good seme material. He’s an abusive psycho who abuses his power. It’d be great if people didn’t romaticize this, especially the recent chapters where Seungho is being possessive. He IS possessive, because he thinks Nakyum is his property. PROPERTY. A thing he can possess.

Painter of the Night, as it is right now, is not a romantic manhwa. Seungho is nowhere close to being in love with Nakyum, or having romantic feelings. So is Nakyum. The sex might feel good, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t getting raped

I feel conflicted. I dont know if a agree or desagree with you cuz.. Isnt you being naive too in thinking love are just like in Cinderela and such? Love can be really scary sometimes, twisted, an possessive. "Possessiveness is not love" I agree. But love can be possessiveness. Possessive its like you dont fucking really care, but for your pride, you wont let "it" scape. But love can be the fear of lose, of being jeaouly, of wanting that person to just look at you. That at very intense standards become possessiveness. Of course the person must not have their head in the right mind to reach that stage, as I think is the case with Seughoo. Far from me romantcizing the horrific things he's doing with Nakyum, I just think he IS first time in love with the poor boy. And first time being rejected acting like the spoiled brat he is.

Don't worry haha I hope you sleep well haha

If your point is that Love is not something which is good and beautiful, if love is not something ideal and this something where your respect and care about someone... How will you treat your lover ? Love can be scary, when they are together, lovers have a lot things to live, bad and good. But when you fall in obsession, violence how can you call this love ? A human is not an object, possessiveness is not love, it's just "you're mine" but guy, I'm not your, I'm not an object, I'm just someone who likes you. If your possiveness become very violent, and that the person hit you, rape you and force to do something that you don't want, don't dare say to me that this is love. Love is not being selfish, yes it can be jealousy but if you hurt your lover and that you don't care of what he thinks you're just a person who think being in love or who have a fake vision of love. It's not because you say "this is love" that this is love. I don't say is super good, and haven't something scaring. I don't know why you search to learn me what negative points of love because I know it already. x)
Love is the synonym of romanticism. Because the first definition of love is care about someone without hurt it. This is certainly not what Yoon do. He is egoist at any moments he really cares about Na-Kyum. If he was in love, a each time he rape him, hurt him, he will culpabilise at least a little. He is just someone who is very possessive at the extreme, he just see Na-Kyum like a object, he didn't listen his "no".
Love is not something like a fairy tale but the minimum is to care about the person that your love, this is not what it's happening he is jealous, and after, when he hurts Na-Kyum he care about him ? And when NK refuses him he blackmailed or hurt him ONE ANOTHER TIME ?
Yoon is not in love with Na-Kyum, he makes him bleed ! And NK fell sick ! Just... What is your definition of love ? How you can call this love while there are JUST violence. If only Yoon have shows a REAL attention, honest and without bad attention to NK ok, but even when NK was sick he come back on the room and begin to attack ANOTHER TIME Nk sick ?

Perhaps Yoon in future wil fall in love, perhaps he will care about NK after. What I'm agree with you is that Yoon begin to be strange around NK, yeah he is kind of special for him..
... But for this moment.. I'm not agree... this is not love.
Love is good and bad, BUT THERE ISN'T GOOD. NK is NOT happy, and Yoon NEVER do something really nice to NK, with his heart.

Of he do, in future I will seriously say "yeah, ok we can talk about affection or even love if he really do something important"

I understand your opinion, tho I respectfully disagree. I agree that sometimes harsh words are used, but I think I understand why people hate Jeannette so much. The new chap isn't out yet but you can see that Jeannette was not neglected and is dear to Ijekiel and the ones that raised her. If you watch from the "black magic" point of view, everyone is naturally attracted to her, while Athy in her past life was only loved by her maid and in the current one she worked really hard to gain everyone affection. It wasn't something that naturally came to her like it does to Jeannette. Also, about the "lack of sympathy and empathy " you quoted about, I think in some ways this speaks about Jeannette too. In chapter 64 when her and Ijekiel talk we understand that she is well aware of what is happening between Athy and Claude. Still she chose to go to Claude even tho we saw Athy sad about that. She sure is sweet and even too innocent for her own good, but this doesn't change the fact that she is hurting many people with her action. Even in the novel you see how we becomes even more greedy and jealous as time passes, so I really understand why so many people dislike her. But I still respect your opinion anyway

fuck. yes.

I saw new chapters and I'm not really agree with but your opinion is interesting (I pointed especially really rude people who are really harsh ...)
SO.
Jennette yes, wasn't neglected, but Ijekiel's father raise her only like a tool and Ijekiel... Sorry but even he sees her like his sister, at each time he sees her, he seems bothered, not really interested while with Athanasia he is so amazed ! Yes, he loves her, but as the child we see him run away from Jennette, and we clearly see that he is "forced" to be with her, I mean I know he likes her but... He clearly doesn't happy when he sees her, he is just formal... I find him ... This not him, this is not a honest Ijekiel ... When you're with friend, lover or sister, you don't wear a mask, you're truly happy to see them... But I see all the time Ijekiel formal and uneasy with her.
This story of black magic, yeah she attract everyone ... Personnaly, I'm the only one who find this very horrible ? This is so ... Tragic ! People just love you because you have a sort of curse. This is NOT YOU, who is loved but the curse who provoke this attraction. It's terrible to live a life with the idea that people around aren't really attracted by the really you. This is just a sort of illusion, it's so hurting, I'm sorry but this "power" it's just a cursed and a promise to become mad ! Who really love you ? Who really love your mind, your body, your behviour... ? Personnaly I would become so ... Sad. You says this is a benediction but no, it's a curse because love is not magic, love is a construction, a meeting, we learn about each other... It's not something easy, if everyone is attracted to you because of black magic that's just a illusion... And the story prevent us : black magic is NOT good.
Worked very hard for obtain is how you obtain your real friend we see in this story Athanasia hasn't power like Jennette and yet her father, Ijekiel, Luca, Felix, Lily are ready to sacrifice their life for her, it's deep relation... In the contrary, Jennette she hasn't Luca, she hasn't Claude who are clearly hanted by Diane and her daughter... Jennette is just a substitute in this story, she only have artificial relations.

I'm sorry but yeah she perhaps sees Athy hurted but... Jennette is convinced that Claude is her father, he has only disdain for her ... Athy grown with love and at least one dad. Jennette really love her dad, and she must sacrifice her love to Athy who has whatever she wants ? I'm sorry but even Athy have "lost" his dad, he clearly likes her, if he takes Jennette with you it's only because he haven't Athy. And Athy has all people with her, Ijekiel, Luca (who will come back), Lily, Felix... Jennette has the chance to meet her father (yes this is not her father but I take her point of view) and to have other thing that disdain and you want that she sacrifices that because Athy has problem with her father ? Athy grows up with her father during 16 years. Jennette has meet her father 3 times. She didn't cry when he shows her only digust. It's just egoist if Athy fordib Jennette to see her father. Nobody can replace 16 years, even not Jennette. We know that. But Jennette can't sacrifice her happiness just to confort Athy's happiness. It's clearly what you ask for. I don't see where she hurts someone, why Athy didn't see her father face to face ? Because even Jennette was here, Claude can have two daughter, the reality and she is afraid to be put out because of Jennette but the real person put out is Jennette not her, and this is really blinded to see the reality. The novel is clearly inversed, Athy became the heroin she have all love of everyone and she is destined to be happy. But this is not the case of Jennette.

After this is not "Athanasia's past" the Athanasia and Jennette in the first is NOT our Athanasia and Jennette. That completely different persons ( I don't want to spoil you)
And I understand that Jennette become more "vilain" because sorry all is against her and specially when Claude will have recover his memory and Luca, Ijekiel will grows up. She will become less usefull to Ijekiel's father, and Athy will return to palace and will be with Luca and her father... Athy sorry but profit of her situation, she considers (without wanting that) Jennette like a tool, a company that she will forget after to have his father back.

It's 14 years sorry*

I can see your point. I don't really think I'm asking her to not be happy, just be sure to don't make people unhappy in the process. Plus we perfectly know that Jeannette will not have a tragic ending. She's a white lotus and she will obviously obtain her happy ending. It's understandable that you pity her and see yourself in her if you have experienced similar feelings, but be aware of what are yours and what are her feelings.

I still don't think Athy stole anything from her because, let's be honest, you can't steal someone that's yours. In their past lives after she was killed, none of the characters were happy. Claude suffered both physically and mentally, Jeannette married Ijekiel and was controlled and brainwashed by her real father and Mr. White, Athy's maid was killed ecc... what I mean is, that is simply not Jeannette place. She for sure has to find her place in the world, but she can't just be a substitute for a role that is not even her's.

Lol

SO SORRY BUT FK JENNETTE THAT SON OF BITCH LIAR LIKE HER MOTHER OR WHATEVER SCREW HER ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ I hate her so much

Oh I don't think Athy stole anything from her ! But Athy is clearly advantaged because she remember of her past, she is mature and intelligent. In some ways she understand how works Claude easily, she plays the role of the good daughter to save her life. While Jennette was just a child.
I repeat that this not their past lifes x) Ijekiel, Athanasia etc... In the first novel aren't our character actually. I don't want to spoil you, but the Jennette who is married to Ijekiel, is not the Jennette in our Mangas.
Yes she can't be a substitute I'm totally agree with you, because Athanasia will have her role and she can't this role...
Yes Jennette will have her happy end (I hope for her) but she will suffers and understand a lot of things that Claude is not her father, that Ijekiel only like her like a sister, that Mister White literally uses her... It's difficult.
Jennette is not my favorite character, I have a lot difficulties with beautiful and pure character like her because it's too perfect to be true... But I find her life sad and tragic, just that. ^^

HAHAHA !! same ╥﹏╥

anwering the question "why arent you shocked?", in my experience, iv been in the community for a really long time and iv seen almost everything this genre has to offer and honestly as time goes on you kinda just become numb with these stuff ╮(￣▽￣)╭ no im not insane, i dont think most of the peeps here are either. Yea im mad at the ML for raping our boy here and i think the boy should just run for it but ik these are factors that are needed for the plot to actually MOVE. If it goes bad, cool, if it becomes good, okay i guess.

(And no, imo, fiction isnt connected with reality. Thats why its called fiction in the first place.)

But i highkey agree with the whole "seunghoo is an ass and im angry" mood lmao

Well, I watched a lot of Japanese porn, gay and straight, and they have a lot of Rape Scenario, so nope I'm not shocked. And beside every Yaoi I read has a rape scene in it (I don't read shounen ai so), but they sugar coated it, just take a look at Viewfinder and Hidouko Shinaide and so many more, they in the top list for decade before Korean BL manhwa craze, but I wonder why many people isn't bothered by it? maybe because unlike this manhwa where the uke actually crying and scared while being raped, but on those Yaoi the uke shaking their hips and then fall in love and bla bla blah blah.

And FYI, in real life I got real mad when I heard the news when people being raped, man or woman, and if I was a Doctor I wouldn't mind to do the chemical castrated on the rapist since all the doctors in my country refused to do so because human rights or whatever even though the law permitted it.

One of my friend got raped a while ago and before that, I used to read manga with rape without even thinking about. But now I realize how sickening rape is. Yes, people are shock and have the right and reasons to be.

i mean i think i understand a bit of those people who don't compare fiction to reality but like,, at least try not to enjoy this kind of thing in a romantical or sexual way?? thats just fucked up big way in my opinion

That's not a question, I'm not shocked me too, I just denounce some people who seem "surprise" to see people schoked or angry ... and personally I found that the shock is totally normal, and me if I'm not shocked it's because I'm used to see this, I saw worst things in my life, but I don't blame people who are schoked for this manhwa because Rape is not normal even in a fiction.

And whatever we say fiction is a sort of mirror of reality. Reality give us inspiration, influence, and ideas to write, draw a fiction. Even it's not real, it give messages, something about reality. Believe that fiction is completely separate to reality is just ignore something that is real : Fiction influence us, and give something to us personnaly, this has an impact on us, we are sad, enthusiastic... It's because fiction has a link with reality, with us and our world.

You're like me and a lot of person, we are used to this. I read a lot shocking things (mainly Yaoi) with rape, blood... But I'm sort of bothered or even desesperated by this Uke rape, rape and... Rape.. over and over... It's just... I finished to stop to have emotions, or anything... While I should be. I wanted say that I don't care people who say they aren't shocked but some people seems "surprised" "annoyed" that other people are : schoked or angry, while it's totally normal. I denonced that people. You are not schoked ok, but say literally "It's useless to be schoked" is just stupid for me.

I'm sorry for your friend and I hope she/he will be fine in the future, I wish love and peace for her/him.

After, We have all a sort of "illegal" taste in our deep self, a sort of "hidden desire" it's a fiction, so people have the right to like it, because they express their honesty you can watch this manhwa and wait the next saying "I don't like it". It's more honest to see, yeah I like it, but they must say in same time, yes, it's really bad and Na is suffering. Just, not be blind by excitation or the illusion of the fiction.

i see. i am not telling anyone that they cant be shocked or anything, sorry if it got delivered that way @_@
when i said fic isnt connected with reality, the point i was making was these characters arent real. You dont generally think much of inanimate beings. Yes the event is real, and u could be influenced by it, it does mirror things but Seungho isnt a real person. My reaction to rape and sexual harrassment would be very much different if this were a real person.

gbhjricbwe i felt like explaining myself since its been bothering me since this morning U_U i hope i delivered my words right,,,,

I got your point. Ironically in real life events, when there is a case where a woman got molested, raped, there is a lot of people who say 'Oh it must feel good', 'oh you must enjoy it so much that it took years for you to report it', 'oh look at those dress, she was asking to be raped' and blah blah blah, I read those not only on online social media but I heard it loud and clear and the person who say that was a woman for god sake. How nice it would be if these people who spend their energy getting angry over fictional character would also do to the same in real life, but sad thing is the rape victims not only they have to suffer from the trauma but they also got blamed and scorned by society, labeled as 'DIRTY', and this is a fact.

I didn't say you particularly ^^ don't worry. I wanted that my idea and opinion be clear.


Yeah, that's right people who can be "in love" with Seungho in real life will be schoked and angry, and they don't encourage... (I don't know how to say that in English sorry my first language is not English xD) people who love this Yaoi aren't agree for rape or anything. I understand this, however some are.. sort of ... Admiration, or take this like a normal relation ship, you can like this, but they just have to remember that this is a rape and violent relation ... That's just my opinion haha

Don't worry I clearly understood you, me I hope you understand my words because I'm not an English speaker fluently (not yet, It's quite difficult to practice because I'm in another country)

Yes I'm totally agry, this reaction must be more intense in reality. That's a problem in fact because people don't really react or don't react at all ... However, I found that people who are angry are right, and we can't judge them to be angry, I wanted say that, Schoked or not, personaly even me, I'm not schoked, but angry yes because I really love NK, I'm attached at this character and this is really tiring to see him suffer x)

I agree with you on that and dw i also understood what ur saying uwu

Hes a lot like bj alex before he calmed the f down lol. Dude was mean and forced double penetration (LOVE that manhwa) but he reminds me sooo much of jjwons character

I totally get people shipping them in that fucked up harada way but I still am baffled by the idea of actual romance. I do think that Seungho has some twisted infatuation beyond the physical w/ Nakyum but the author just seems to not be going down the traditional yaoi path lol. I think people are soft on Seungho and soften him up but he's a hardcore dude who is just as horrible as Inshit is. It's almost like they don't want to accept Seungho for who he is.

Agree. To know that men like Sunbae actually exist in the society and people are OK with them (or even find them attractive) kinda scares me.

I agree with you and it was kinda weird since the start but i dont think the auther meant it that way because if you saw the raws ****(spoiler *kinda*) ******** you can see it as if ugh idk the black haired guy was holding onto hosik and trying to make him his with all of his power as if he was correcting his mistakes from the past knowing that he must awaken hosik's feelings towards him whatever it takes , yet this is rape no matter how you look at it but the auther tried to give hints that hosik took a liking to the black haired guy (not in a romantic way but in a restpecting way ig ) but he didnt give it too much thought like he wasnt trying to get involved with him, yet the black haired guy forced his feelings on hosik and hosik was left with no choice because he is way too kind hearted , yet u know that the black haired guy wasnt trying to force hosik like he would apologise to hosik if hosik really got angry with him and freaked out and cancel the whole story , u can say that u can see these things in reality like how some people get married suddenly and then try to love their partners after marriage . This is kinda weird but because hosik and the balck haired guy were so understandable with themselves and with each other they manged to work things out even though hosik was planning on his life and the black haired guy blew it all with getting him pregnant and not lettling him live the life he planned , yet his life wasnt compeletly ruined , yet ughhh hosik was crying in the shower after he knew what happened between him and his sunbae and u can the the guilty the sunbae had beacuse of what he did , but if hosik wasnt too kind hearted his sunbae woul've backed out from hosik's life continuing his life with guilt .
Sry for mistakes too , tell me if there's somthing wrong ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶