This is so entertaining! Everyone is so triggered! I swear this comments section had NONE of this just this morning. GL everyone! Part of me wants to root for the anon because it's him vs the entire fucking comments section! Can't say i disagree with everyone else though, it clearly wasn't rape, the dialogue explicitly states that Dojin "lost all control" once his pheromones were released. I also don't think this is "low quality", but to each their own? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Don't worry man, for now, I have no interest in arguing with people who don't see logic and keep being repititive(just like me I guess.) I'll come back if I think I can get through to them. See ya, take care.
Its still rape. Even if he lost all all control, its still rape. It's just more tolerable because Omegaverse lol
Yeah... I value the dialogue more than your personal opinion. The rules of the omegaverse state that sex between an alpha and omega can't be helped if the pheromones are involved, Dojin says himself that he "lost all control" and acted "like those alphas i despise". He didn't want to do it, he couldn't help it. In the same way Hyesung couldn't.
You should take a break, you probably need it. (￣∇￣") I know how much of a bitch it is to argue with multiple people.
Dumbest logic ever. It is rape only when done with the intention of raping. What you're saying is like tying up a man thoroughly, making someone ride his dick and then saying the tied up guy still raped the other person. Wtf? Here, the alpha is subjected to similar metaphorical ropes that bind him. That's what omegsverse is about.
This^
Yeah, phew. So long!
I'm sure lots of men convicted of rape didn't "intend" to rape. It happens all the time. Look, I'm not shitting on the manwha and I understand what you guys are getting at, but I'm just calling it like it is. It was RAPE. Rape is a strong word, which is why people get up in arms about it, but its the truth. You can even turn around and say Hyesung raped Dojin when he was in heat.
Rape isn't a personal opinion but okay
Dude, Id understand if this was a normal yaoi but this is an omegaverse. The alphas have as much say in this matter as the omega. I hate this manhwa and I'm not afraid of calling out RAPE, when I see that's the case. It's just that this isn't one of them. If you're gonna argue that way, then if I injected you with an aphrodisiac and you went and fucked your colleague, does that make you a rapist? Even though you weren't a willing participant?
Men convicted of rape arent alphas or omegas man. This from the point of view of this manhwa, not reality.
I completely understand what you're saying. I know that because its omegaverse the theories on rape kind of change for some people. But to answer your question, if my colleague didn't consent then YES I would be a rapist. Now, would it be the same kind of rape as if I KNEW what I was doing? No, it wouldn't. And I know that kind of rape is different from omegaverse stories. I'm just saying because its a different kind of rape, it still it what it is.
(I also feel the need to mention that I'm not necessarily saying I'm right, or that others are wrong, I'm just simply giving a different viewpoint (that I side with more). I love this manwha and understand the controversies (on both sides) surrounding it.)
Bro, you aren't a rapist, you would also be a victim because you have also been drugged. So if you say it's rape on your part, then you would have volunteered to take that aphrodisiac. It's rape of both parties otherwise. You're the victim and your friend is a victim too. And how that translate if both of you are girls and you don't have dicks to put into each other? And both of your are hit with aphrodisiacs and end up having sex? You cant pin the blame on or girl here. You seem to be confused because of dicks. Since one of them put it in the other, he's a rapist. Now that's not how rape works.
How am I confused because of dicks? I assumed that I was a rapist and that the victim was a girl. I am a girl as well. Not sure where that came from. If this manhwa was Yuri, I'd still say the same thing lol. But yes I'm a victim in one case (being drugged) , and a rapist in the other. Because I DID in fact rape my colleague. I didn't intend to and didn't want to but it still happened
Why are you the rapist? Why isn't it the other way round? Since both your friend and you are drugged and are on the same level, why can't she be the rapist and you be the victim? Why are you bent on being the rapist? If you were the only.one drugged, you're the rapist? Wtf? You'd be the victim then. You didn't rape your friend because you weren't doing it consciously. It would be non-consensual sex from both parties.
Sorry ff
What they meant by "confused by dicks" is that, when identifying a rapist, some people tend to point towards the one with the penetration ability. It's a double standard a lot of people subscribe to, "oh, men can't be raped by women because they are the ones putting their dick inside her". The anon brought up another scenario, what if you were both drugged then? Did you rape each other? Anyways, i honestly don't think this is a matter for debate, you think what you want, but no if you were drugged it wasn't rape since you had no intentions to rape. Even in court that wouldn't constitute as rape. This isn't the same as "convincing yourself you had no control", whole other scenario, that implies they could've stopped themselves and are trying to convince themselves they couldn't out of guilt. This is CONFIRMED, scientifically. They CANNOT stop themselves, it's not a matter of willpower or excuses. It's not that people who read omegaverse "have a different view on rape", it's that the people who read omegaverse and know how it works read and process everything with the rules in mind. In other words, you're looking at this out of context and aren't applying the rules that MAKE this an omegaverse. A misinterpretation. That is what the anon meant when they said your opinion is based on reality.
Hi
Hello! How are you? need some energy drink?
You worded this so well, thank you, I couldn't do that. Wish people would understand this instead of blaming the seme for rape.
I'm tired :‘^( But, nah on the energy drink though, thanks. I'll probably sleep soon. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Get some rest. You've been argue with people all day( or might depend on your time zone).
Thank you and i feel the same, so many people read that scene and just interpreted it however they wanted, like to a ridiculous degree. I saw some people saying Dojin let out his pheromones TO make Hyesung weak and rape him... What? That's literally just not what happened... If you read and understand the flow of events, it's clear that he released them to make a point because Hyesung had just said "are you threatening me?". He was offended that Hyesung was implying he even WOULD threaten him, that's why Hyesung says "these are Dojin's pheromones?" as he's never been forced so he doesn't know what they feel like and Dojin says "have i ever let my pheromones out around you? I was nice to you, i let you make yourself at home.". Then Dojin's eyes glaze over up till Hyesung says "it hurts", indicating he lost control, as he later states in ch 20: "i lost all control".
Ikr? XD They're nosey as fuck
Yeah, i'm stuck inside rn and this shit is entertaining.
I never understood this one thing .out of context here, but if the word 'rape 'is such a strong word and have so much impact, why do people use it on manga like these yaoi cliches where most of the time uke enjoys himself getting fucked or fall in love or sometimes he himself says he actually wanted it . rape is rape I get it someone without your will have sex with you it is rape, but is it that easy in mangas like these? where the so-called victim himself wanted it. why do people forget that in rape, a victim does not want it in any way even if he feels pleasure or the outcome is not like that where they both end up falling in love. people blame me for not recognizing manga like these are rape, but try to understand me here .because rape is a big deal in real and is horrific and abusive, I do not like to call manga like these rape but then sometimes rather than understanding what others are saying people get angry and get personal. no, I am not condoning or defending rape I just hate when people use the word rape in things like these it's sad. there is a difference. people who got rape have traumatic experiences because of it, they do not enjoy or simply forget they get raped.in mangas like these, it is not always either this or that people see the reaction of uke what he himself says or do. if people are applying a rape definition in unrealistic mangas like these why don't they also try to see if there are any circumstances of real-life rape in it or not? without blaming people that we defend rape no I don't defend rape the thing I defend is rape is something big and horrific and to use it rape word in a manga like these bothers me where uke spreads his legs for the seme in the end. there is a word dub con for a reason. I am talking about this specific manga here.
That's actually a rape myth, rape victims can and do enjoy the physical stimulation, it's a problem as it makes them feel like they wanted it and makes them not want to report it out of guilt. It's something rapists take advantage of, "oh, you feeling good? You must want this then." even if you said no. The distinction you aren't aware of is between "wanting it" and "feeling good", when you're touched sexually your body WILL react, so you can feel good even while you're being raped. What matters is if you WANTED it, if it was a negative experience for you and you indicated to them they don't have your consent, it was rape.
eh, I think I got something wrong because I think the same and you are right, there is a difference in feeling pleasure due to stimulation and actually enjoying the whole sex. that's what my whole point was most of the manga where uke himself enjoy at his own will, in the end, admits it too but people still call it rape, he clearly stated, t he is enjoying it by his own will and end up falling for the seme and also acts like rape, is something normal .that is what I have problems with. here enjoying was for not because of pleasure but by his own will sorry for my English
Oh, in those cases the predominant argument is that while the uke says in hindsight he wanted it deep down, he didn't at the time. There're other complications as well such as the seme's role in the sex, did he apply any force, was he continuing even though the uke seemed hesitant? Etc. I agree though that there are cases where a scene was made to look like it COULD be rape, only for the uke to say it was actually okay. In these scenarios the seme usually already knows the uke is okay with it, so he goes through with the sex and this can make it LOOK like rape since the uke isn't making it clear he wants it externally even if he does internally and the seme just continues on. This isn't rape, it's dubious consent. It means that regardless of their actions, the both of them know there is consent. This type of scene is used for rape-play porn in yaoi all the time. It looks forceful and sexy and then it's fine. Some people just have trouble ACCEPTING that it's fine, the ones that view rape as completely black or white. They refuse to accept the uke's dialogue or will try and twist it or say that he's speaking in hindsight and wasn't okay at the time. I wouldn't bother arguing with these types, they're entirely motivated by feelings and see you as a villain for saying the scene, that was confirmed by dialogue to not be rape, isn't rape.
That's the reason I'm following. Chewing popcorn while watching Cyber war is my past time hobby( I don't inspire war though, I'm at arguing with people).
I don't know about nosy, but I think everyone has right to express their opinion( and when I said everyone, I mean everyone). I myself prefer Hyesung over Dojin at the moment, for reasons I will not disclose to avoid getting into war. But I will say this: people like and dislike things all the times for their own personal reason, so please don't get offended when some people have different opinions from you, cause they're not you.
Ah, I'm happy at how you worded this. I was mainly playing devil's advocate on this topic just to spark a debate. But seeing this argument shut me down, lol. I hope no one thought I was offended or trying to offend others. Anyways, nice cyber war guys.
Np and you too :^)
Oh my god WHERE WAS I WHEN THIS WAR WAS GOING ON (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
Why did nobody call me to the crossfire?! ╥﹏╥
Lol, you're everywhere all the sudden! Sorry you missed out on all the "fun" (≧∀≦)
Don't worry, next time I'll try messaging you
it's not 'all of a sudden' D: I've been working diligently day by day, constantly, putting a piece of me in every comment i write..
What does it take to get recognition around these parts? ┗( T﹏T )┛
ヾ(☆▽☆) thank you, handsome stranger
I'm sorry? Ahaha. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
He knew they were in highschool together despite his apparent "disinterest" in everything, HE is the one who proposed they "get together again" and started their FWB relationship, he knew that Hino was surrounded by women in highschool which'd explain why he was so quick with sex their first time as he thought Hino was straight and maybe thought he might change his mind as well as why he refuses to talk about himself as he probably doesn't want this "straight guy who comes across bitchy and takes pity on him" to know he was always gay/possibly interested in him. I think the EXTENT to which he remembers Hino is suspicious and he might have had a crush, but thought he wasn't liked and had no chance.Maybe he wants to avoid talking about himself so Hino doesn't find out? It'd explain why he gets sentimental when he sees a genuine smile from Hino, he probably was on guard since he thought he was disliked, he probably thought Hino was just using him for sex.
I agree with your analysis, Sensei ! (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Thanks! ヾ(☆▽☆)
Hmmm he probably thinks hino is super cute but doesn't trust him yet, but in high school I doubt he had A crush on him bcuz in the raws it seems like he was traumated by someone so.. I'm not sure tho bcuz I can't understand what they saying but thats how it seems to be..
I tend not to take the raws into consideration for cases like these specifically, it's liike, after you saying that all that's been brought to the table is that "he might not have had a crush" which was always a possibility from the start. People tend not to have very great reading/visual comprehension on here too, not that YOU don't, i'm just going to take anything anyone says about raws they can only look at with a grain of salt. Hopefully no offense? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Well if it was for me I totally would love your analysis to be the real thing , excuse my curiosity I actually tried so hard not to read the raws but someone posted sth about it and yup I couldn't wait since they mentioned an ex or what ever he is trust me I'm salty too ┗( T﹏T )┛ anyway I was just stating my opinion from what I saw not that I understood because I liked what you said and wanted someone to correct my view if I was wrong, not tending to argue so no need for the hostality . Peace (づ￣ ³￣)づ
If i came across hostile i wasn't trying to, sorry. （￣へ￣）I was just saying that i don't trust interpretations of the raws, i take them with a grain of salt. I DID make a mental note about what you said though.
And there (down below) is the wave of people who want to ignore Sangtae's obvious flaws and ship Jinwoo with his rapist... AFTER he said he wants away from Sangtae... "hehehe, after the MULTITUDE of times he's been FORCED to watch/feel Sangtae's fantasies about fucking him in the ass and after he was actually unwillingly sexually assaulted and then raped he feels the need to have something in his ass while masturbating? It must mean it's CoNsEnSuAl!"... I seriously wonder if people have reading comprehension sometimes... Or even just common sense... Let's go over a hypothetical situation real quick: Lets say you have a pet, if every time it shits on the floor you smack it and put it where it's supposed to go, what happens? It stops. Now, let's apply this to Jinwoo. If every time he gets close to Sangtae he sees and feels VERY vivid fantasies about being fucked, what's going to happen when Sangtae sees this, gets horny and then ACTUALLY fingers him? He knows the feeling of actually having something in there now and he's been repeatedly forced to visualize it UP TILL he actually experienced it (the thigh fucking scene as well. "this feels like the actual thing, it's embarrassing"). He's been trained... He has to TALK himself into using the dildo, he doesn't want to. "just once". And he only talks himself into it while he's THAT horny. Can you imagine how weird this must all be to him? He didn't naturally discover a taste for anal play like some straight guys do, he was trained into it. An unwilling straight guy had his body trained to like anal play AGAINST HIS WILL... He isn't interested in Sangtae and now this gay guy that he KNOWS is after his ass has CHANGED HIS BODY. You know how, everyday, masturbation is? You know how WEIRD it must be to suddenly have the WAY you masturbate changed against your will? What happens next chapter must make it worse as a certain someone treats him masturbating anally as a turn off of sorts.
No way, it's like 8 am right now. I'm lazy~
Yeah, and i got a really nasty abrasion on the bottom of my big toe... ┗( T﹏T )┛
I got tackled yesterday morning in a parking lot while barefoot and when i did my toe scraped across the concrete and removed the top layer of skin off of most of the underside of my big toe... And i got a scrape on my knee, elbow and ankle... I had to call into work because i don't think i can put anything over my foot or the sliding will hurt. （/TДT)/
Idiots* don't agree that Sangtae is a rapist. He fingered Jinwoo in the stall against his will, that's penetration, rape. Idiots* also don't have reading comprehension or common sense if they think that Jinwoo is at all willing and that Sangtae isn't taking advantage of Jinwoo...
"it's just my OpInIoN!", okay, but when the evidence is stacked against your opinion who gives a shit? Can you do the mental gymnastics for me and explain how Jinwoo leaving his job "to get away from Sangtae" can be interpreted to "i like Sangtae"? I can't stick my head far enough up my ass to see from that perspective.
Oh, you mean how he said "this feels good" AFTER being fondled before he could react AFTER he'd been effected by the fantasies and was ALREADY hard even before he went into Sangtae's room? Lol, what is this? Could it be CONTEXT?! You also fail to mention how he says "hey... W-wait a min-" and "i-i told you to stop...". And how he calls Sangtae a "flamer" and "gay pervert" DURING the scene as well as exclaiming "what?!" when Sangtae told him to put his thighs together... Who insults someone during consensual sex? Lol. You're delusional and your "opinion" is fucking retarded. You can leave.
In addition to this^. Of COURSE it felt good, he was already hard when he got there... He could've rubbed it against a tree and it would've felt good... "sex feels good" is your argument that it wasn't rape? Even though he clearly didn't want it based on his dialogue before, during AND after as well as his body language? Yeah, he felt good, but he didn't want it...
Thank you, he stuck his ass out and said for Sangtae to keep going...
Lol, he said "this feels good" in his head, let's not act like he moaned it out loud and when he says "why are you stopping?" the next line is "you've touched me all over anyways"... Context is key and you're ignoring it all... He was clearly saying that bitterly and sarcastically. At that point he needs to cum and realizes Sangtae won't stop so he gives in.
Yeah, because he gave in... He needs to cum and realizes Sangtae won't stop anyways, that's why he says "i told you to stop, the fantasies stop when you touch me is what i was trying to say", Sangtae says "oh really? Sorry, i would finished quicker if i'd known" and Jinwoo says "bullshit". "bullshit", as in he doesn't believe Sangtae would've stopped regardless.
No he doesn't... Sangtae kisses him...
"it's not sexual assault because he reacted physically AFTER Sangtae literally yanked his pants down and started to fondle his balls before he could react!"... Nevermind that he clearly tried to cover himself when his pants were yanked down, repeatedly exclaims "what are you doing", insults Sangtae even WHILE being fondled calling him "flamer" and "gay pervert", says "hey... W-wait a min-" to try to get Sangtae to stop and then even says "i-i told you to stop" at the end... It's not rape because he felt good while being touched sexually, acknowledged in his head that it feels good and then bitterly giving in...
@Forgetmwnot He did turn around to kiss him, he willingly kissed him after putting his butt out to feel Sangtae's penis. Even if sex feels good, it's not rape when he calls out for Sangtae to keep going and kissing him. Those are actions done by consent.
Again, you're taking that out of context, by that point he is giving up resisting... He clearly says that in a bitter, sarcastic way. His following line is "you've touched me all over anyways"... What he says/does AFTER making it clear the advances are unwanted and Sangtae forces him doesn't matter anyways... Again, all that is explained by him feeling good, but not wanting it...
Also, no he doesn't, Sangtae puts his fingers in Jinwoo's mouth and turns his head towards him... Not that this matters since Jinwoo literally says "i-i told you to stop" after... He literally says himself that he was telling Sangtae to stop when he said "hey. W-wait a min-" because the fantasies had stopped when Sangtae hugged him from behind...
Forgetmenot's probably bussy making new accounts to dislike my comment since they have no counter argument. I started arguing with him, no one else has said anything and all the sudden i have 11 dislikes... Lol.
My comment was up for 2 days with no likes or dislike, i get into an argument with him and the dislikes skyrocket within an hour? AND he's not responding? Lol.
And he ALSO says, "you've touched me all over anyways" following "take that"... As well as all the other dialogue i've pointed out, it's not really up for debate as Jinwoo says "i told you to stop".
He was impatient to cum because Sangtae had just fondled his balls after he'd been enduring the fantasies and "hadn't been touched for a while"... He also says "why'd he have to focus on the tip so much, this amount of pre-cum is embarrassing", as in he doesn't want it, but it feels good and it's embarrassing.
I bet you know firsthand...
Yeah there is no debate when he says for him to take it, game over.
He als sticks his tongue out for Sangtae to kiss him.
It was clearly payback since he sees Sangtae won't stop... He also said that AFTER making it obvious he doesn't want it AND he says he told him to stop... What is wrong with you?
Yeah, at the end, AFTER Sangtae's persistence has made him give in... He says himself that he knew Sangtae wouldn't have stopped and he needed to cum because it "felt sooo good" because he "hadn't been touched in a while"... You're taking everything out of context, the flow of events is important and you're ignoring it.
You're both fucking idiots and can't be helped, i'd say i hope this happens to one of your relatives so that you can tell them THEY weren't raped, but i'm not that much of a dick.
Exactly, the original commentor is a complete moron. He is gross and is telling rape victims actually kiss and tell rapists to keep going.
You are a disgusting person.
He didn't "tell him to give it to him", he said "take this" because he decided to get revenge by teasing him, hence his inner monologue right after about how Sangtae's responding to the tease, he watches him. He also didn't "kiss him", Sangtae put his fingers in Jinwoo's mouth and turned his head towards him. He "said it felt good" IN HIS HEAD, WHILE complaining that it's embarrassing and when Sangtae says "you might actually like this?" he says "bullshit! There's no way!", but you'll both twist this so you don't have to feel guilty about shipping them. Lol.
Why exactly?
No, i'm saying SANGTAE kissed HIM and that he wasn't telling him to "take that" in the context you're saying he did... He didn't tell Sangtae to fuck his ass, he was saying "take that" because he was getting back at Sangtae...
I literally said i'm NOT going to wish that on them...
No, i'm saying it was sexual assault because he never got Jinwoo's consent, yanked his pants down and fondled his balls before he could react, didn't stop when Jinwoo told him to wait right after and because Jinwoo literally SAYS "i told you to stop"...
He is also an idiot and doesn’t know what he is talking about.
The feeling's mutual... You're delusional, can't wait till you end up in jail or prison for "consensual" sex like this.
lol i kinda agree with you here ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Thanks, SOMEONE has common sense! Lol. All these guys trying to justify this shit by bring up that he felt good AFTER making it clear he doesn't want it... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
It’s really sad that people want to argue a person pushing his ass out is being raped. This is so sad to actual rape victims.
A person with common sense will never say this is rape.
sure, if he'd done it in the way you're trying to make it out to be... Anyways, what i find "sad" is that you consider rape victims that showed outward pleasure as no longer victims.
It's sexual assault in this scene, it's rape in the stall scene when he fingers Jinwoo against his will.
Rape victims also don’t say “take it”, this person is so gross for even suggesting actual rape victims do this wow
He said "take THAT", he's NOT saying fuck my ass... You fu- read back, for the love of god read back. I feel like i'm screaming into the void. If you understand the flow of events, he is clearly getting back at him in the only way he can think of with the low amount of control he has over his body... He says "take that" like if you pinched someone and said that.
Rape victims also don’t make out with rapists.
He pushed his ass out and said TAKE IT.
He says, and i quote, "take THAT, then".
SANGTAE put his fingers in Jinwoo's mouth and turned his head to kiss HIM... The void has a fucking echo, you just keep repeating the same shit.
Jinwoo kisses him back and did it again when he was being fingered. He stuck his tongue out and kissed back. He never said no or turned away.
After saying this^ Sangtae says "Jinwoo wait" and Jinwoo says "why? You've already touched me all over!". -actual punctuation, he actually exclaims that at Sangtae, exclaiming implies he's irritated- He CLEARLY was going for revenge.
Rape victims never willingly kiss or stick out their bums or say things like “take that” which suggests teasing. Those things are never done.
When he was fingered he was THROWN DOWN into the stall and he yells "what are you doing". Jinwoo told him at the end of the 1st scene that "the fantasies stop when you touch me", meaning Sangtae KNOWS that all he had to do was something simple like put a hand on his shoulder, but instead he watches Jinwoo squirm, get horny and then literally throws Jinwoo into a bathroom stall and starts sex with him instead.
Who the fuck are you to be writing the rules for how a rape victim SHOULD act? Or tell them that, because of how they acted, despite not wanting it it wasn't rape?
Rape victims do not kiss, play or tease. They are scared and never do things like saying things like “take that” or willingly kissing.
I say "tease" loosely, it wasn't light hearted, he was bitter and angry at Sangtae and looking for a way to get back at him for revenge. He needed to cum anyways and he knew Sangtae wouldn't stop so he gave in, but before he did he got some revenge and "teased" him. Idk a better word. Again, the kiss was forced on him by Sangtae... You SEE Sangtae put his fangers in Jinwoo's mouth and then they're kissing, he turned his head and frenched him, hence why you can see Jinwoo's tongue.
Right before the "tease" Sangtae says "could it be you actually like this" and Jinwoo says "bullshit! There's no way" after having JUST said "why'd he focus on the tip, the amount of pre-cum is embarrassing". So, he talks about how he feels good "because he hasn't been touched in a while and that it's embarrassing, THEN Sangtae says he actually likes it and he exclaims "bullshit! theres no way...", and THEN he "teases" him because he's pissed off.
There is no point is arguing with someone like that, don’t argue with a person that says there is teasing in rape.
Again, i mean "teasing" loosely as i don't know a better word, he did it out of spite, he wasn't "playing".
Really just read the scene, the ENTIRE scene in ch 10 again. Try to look at it with neutral eyes instead of looking for a counter.
Yeah, except there're replying to a misinterpretation of what i said... I mean yeah, there is no playful teasing in rape, but that's not what i was saying so...
Thank you!
Gattaca, you literally just went out of your way to scroll through the comments and respond to EVERY comment i've replied to. I'll just take this as that you have no argument left. This is like, the ultimate salt, the highest quality, thank you for the meal. -kisses fingers-
ANOTHER lie by this person haha
Guess you aren't straightforwardly called out often, huh? Anyways, if you're done here, you can leave. Or did you want the last word? Go ahead, i'll give it to you. O/
I don’t want the last word, I said “thank you” to another user which I guess triggered you again.
Lol, what? I didn't reply because you said thank you, i replied because i just got like 6 notifications and ALL of them were you, EACH on a different topic... Hence me saying "you went out of your way to reply to everything i replied to"... Where did you get the idea that this was about you saying "thank you" to that other idiot? You must be thick. Okay, i'm out.
I am allowed to comment here and I was commenting under different people’s comments, not my fault you were notified lol
If he really just cares about Heesu being happy and "wants to help", why was he so forceful in trying to get Seungwon to let him help? Seungwon literally tells him "no thanks" and he argues with him and tries to bribe him with knowledge about Heesu... It really feels like this is more about him than them. He already knows Seungwon has genuine feelings and sees Heesu already naturally getting closer to him, it's what sparked him trying to "get along" with Seungwon in the 1st place to scope things out. Why is he so desperate to be a part of it? Maybe he finally feels a little guilty? Or could he just be wanting to speed up the process because Heesu's feelings for him will be out of his hair quicker? Guess we'll see.
Yeah, he probably doesn't feel guilty... He doesn't even think he's done anything wrong... His lack of empathy is saddening.
Honestly, after ch 64 i no longer have any fear that they're going to be together aside from a mild anxiety caused by knowing that Siwon is SO naive that he may shatter expectations and fall for a guy whos argument is literally "you think you hate me, but you actually love me and just don't know it" despite Xuan having yet to prove any of his claims from the chapter... People are seeing the raws and assuming what they see is Siwon giving in, but i find it more likely that we were just given the reason behind Siwon's behavior: the lies from this chapter about "the stone is real", "Jinha must not want to see you" and "the stone took you to see me because even though you're sure you hate me, you love me". I feel the likelihood is actually really high that he just struggles with these lies and while he does Xuan hits on him which creates the "questionable" scenes where it looks like he's a shoujo girl for Xuan, but in reality he's just embarrassed because some dude is hitting on him and he wasn't gay to begin with. Hence the blushing and "omg, what almost happened!". I see people point out the ALMOST kiss scene and they ALWAYS leave out an important detail, it was XUAN who went to kiss HIM, he was briefly stunned and then pushed him away before he could kiss him. As in, he didn't want to kiss with Xuan. It looks like they're having a possibly emotional talk during the walk on the beach, he may have temporarily struggled with what to do for a second because of that. Basically, Siwon being Siwon again, caring to a fault. Like just now when he was trying to escape and he got worried for Xuan because he got injured. The guy kidnapped him, Siwon was borderline crying after trying to escape for what looks like hours and despite all the hate for Xuan that should've built up for Xuan because of this, it all goes away when he sees the injury and is replaced by worry.
And people have the audacity to call him abusive 凸^-^凸
I have yet to translate 67 but from what I can tell, Siwon doesn’t want to be with Seonyun but the level of psychological manipulation is making it appear so. ^^
Yeah, i wouldn't say "abusive", when he hurts Jinha it's usually because of a misunderstanding, it's not intentional. I mean, he definitely gives him a lot of stress with the misunderstandings, denial, etc, but i don't think "abusive" is the right term as that implies informed intent. He's just naive, when he grows and stops jumping to conclusions their relationship will go smoothly, he just needs to learn to trust, as evidenced in ch 64 where he actually lets eveything Xuan said about Jinha get to him. "psychological manipulation is making it appear so"-this i what i've been expecting since he was kidnapped, tbh. Even the incense foreplay scene really just seemed like he was trying to confuse Siwon. He's trying to train him, though i don't think it'll work as Siwon still consciously hates him.
oh my gosh thank you
Lol, i thought it was funny, it was like he just said "fuck it", as he says, "i'm only here because you won't let me leave". I thought it was the 1st bit of actual character i've seen from Siwon in a WHILE... He's always competing with princess peach for #1 damsel so it was funny to see him get bitchy and be like "fuck it, if i'm stuck anyways i'm going to take advantage". Though i agree that it WAS kinda stupid and the drink could've been drugged. I DO want to see more of the him from last chapter, trying desperately to get away, but he saw where that leads and at this point is just like "fuck it, i'll just stick around and be super bitchy to him since i can't leave".
I didn't realize he'd been crushing on him for 10 years! And his actions really WERE stalker-ish, though the reason why is cute.
He's resisting it, but it looks like Sangwoo's really falling hard. Not sure why people think he's faking, it's been building up to this for a while. He gradually started to take more and more interest in Bum and as he did he started to treat him better and get jealous/possessive over him. I guess some think he's aware of the bug placed in his house? But, their conversation was in the bathroom, the bug isn't, why would he act while away from the bug if he was faking? Then there're the instances before the bug was even placed, like when Bum fell on that guy's lap and Sangwoo got visibly pissed. He gets visibly irritated by Bum's uncle too. I feel like Bum is the one genuinely good thing for him that has stepped into his life, he always viewed the women as sluts, but he knows how pure Bum's love for him is. When i say pure, i mean that he loves Sangwoo FOR Sangwoo. Even after finding out he's a killer. When he said "don't trust me, you'll just get hurt. Again and again." it came across as very lonely to me, but he doesn't want to hurt Bum. I think what'll happen is, the two of them will get closer and closer with Sangwoo getting better and better, then the cop will come in once everything looks great between them and fuck everything up. It'd be the hardest ending for us readers to take in. Sangwoo looks like he's been reformed and then ends up in prison and Bum either ends up dead somehow (maybe when the cop arrests Sangwoo he accidentally shoots Bum and Sangwoo is broken from his death while in prison?) or "free", though he won't want to be. I kinda want a "happy" ending where they can just go off somewhere and be at peace, Bum deserves it after all this. Yes, i know Sangwoo's crazy and should be in prison, but i'd rather the happy ending than him still crazy and killing people... i just know Bum wont be happy if Sangwoo is in prison. I'd like to clarify that this is my opinion knowing that this is just literature, my opinion irl would be "send his ass to prison".
LOL Sangwoo has you fooled too, he's not falling for Siwon, you'd do better to remember that after two seasons.
It's not an assumption that a bug is placed in his house, it's a fact. Remember Ch 36, page 40. The police dude is listening to their convo. And page 39 last panel, Sangwoo turns towards the bug.
I want a happy ending too but I don't know, I don't want a cliche one.
Siwon?
I didn't say the bug wasn't there, i know it is. What i said was that people are assuming Sangwoo KNOWS it's there and that it might be why he's acting like this, i didn't know he looked towards it, but tbh i don't think it matters. Like i said, the story's been building this up since way back, the bug is recent.
There's been some undertones for a bit now, tbh. So not an entire "two seasons". Idk, you could be right, maybe i am being fooled, we'll see.
Maybe he's being good to Bum because he wants the guy to trust him more so that he can manipulate him? What with the sorry and all that. And this is Sangwoo were talking about, he definitely knows the bug is there.
Yeah, that's why i avoided saying "he doesn't know it's there" and said "people are assuming he knows", because i definitely COULD see him knowing it's there just on account of him being Sangwoo. I was just pointing out that it hasn't been explicitly said that he knows because people are making up entire scenarios based on him knowing it's there. Didn't know Sangwoo looked towards it, i'd have to look back.
Um..what? You know Sangwoo knows about the bug coz he's Sangwoo. Likewise, other readers have come to the same conclusion. And they've made theories on that. But they aren't supposed to because it hasn't been explicitly stated that Sangwoo knows?? Whew you've got som weird set of rules there.
Are you done? I'm not here to argue with some bitchy, defensive Anon, you can ignore my comment if it triggers you. Yes, it's weird to base an entire scenario on an assumption... Not sure how that's "weird rules" to you. Go away if you're just going to start shit.
Wow, you're so easily triggered huh? Anon? As if people with accounts are any better here, spewing shit all over the main page.
Didn't you fucking say it wasn't an assumption but a fact coz Sangwoo knows? Anyways, what's wrong with basing scenarios on assumptions? That's how theories are made, considering all cases. Besides you don't set the rules for what sort of theories people should and shouldn't make. Retarded bitch, see ya.
LOL
Oh, really? Jinha doesn't want to see him? Pretty sure he was just asking that priest guy about the stone... We KNOW Jinha is trying to find Siwon... It's a fake stone and i called it in a comment the moment i saw him give it to Siwon. Xuan's envy stone lets him enter dreams... He just entered Siwon's dream and told him the fate stone took him there... Siwon, don't fall for the ideas he's putting in your head! I can't imagine he will though, tbh.He still hates him, how do you get convinced you love someone that you hate? Oh yeah... It's Siwon... Still don't think he will.
He fell for everything
Coz he's a dumbass
u right
Yeah...
She broke up with him because he discovered that anal play feels good? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, as i said in the title it's "just out of her strike zone". It's just her preference, why stay with someone you aren't compatible with? I just don't personally think the WAY she broke up with him was all that great, she made it seem like he's disgusting for liking anal play. -moving on-
So, what Sangtae's friend said is SO right: "it's okay with me because i'm a masochist, but it's a different story for regular people". This is what i've been saying. Well, at least Sangtae's finally starting to realize that all the shit he's done is fucked up and he even just admitted that he did it all because he got horny: "I mean, i guess i did go overboard with it... But the way he would blush and look at me with tears welling up in his eyes... It was just so darn cute that i couldn't help but want to keep teasing him".
There WAS something i was wrong about though, something surprising, he says he actually IS serious about helping Jinwoo find a solution to his problem. Though he also says "is it because i didn't seem to take him seriously at all?". I take this to mean that while he IS serious about wanting to help, he keeps getting horny when he sees Jinwoo struggling with the fantasies and ends up giving in to his lust instead of helping. For some perspective, this is the same as coming across someone who's drunk or drugged with an aphrodisiac and being like "well, i was originally going to help them, but they were hot and i couldn't hold back"... Jinwoo confirmed something for me though as well, that his body was trained to like anal play and that his body knows that pleasure now and that it was indeed the visualization from the fantasies that did it, as i said in my last comment: "it 's that perverted Ma Sangtae's fault that i even know any of this crap!", "Although the fantasies didn't come with any actual physical sensations... They did teach me about some new places in my body that feel good... And how much to press or put in to feel that pleasure.", "how can i just ignore all of this when i know how good it feels!". He wants to "ignore" it, but can't because he "knows how good it feels", because the fantasies "taught him some new places in his body that feel good". He then goes on to say "i'll use it just this once" and "I'll enjoy this one last time... before i cut all ties with Ma Sangtae, or so i tell myself... I wont let him... Corrupt me by turning me into someone i don't even recognize anymore". He had to TALK himself into using it, he wants to "ignore" this new urge that is popping up in his body because he doesn't want Sangtae to "corrupt him". He was trained against his will, as i said. It's a negative thing for him. He means to "cut all ties" with him to avoid "being corrupted", the anal play being one of the ties as he "only knows this stuff because of that pervert Ma Sangtae", hence this being "the last time".
As a side note: Jinwoo just gave more insight on how he feels about Sangtae: he considers him a "perverted bastard" (pg 2) that he plans to "cut all ties with to avoid being corrupted into someone he no longer recognizes" (pgs 5 and 6) who has now "completely ruined his life" (pg 18 ) to the point that he went over to his house with a bat. As Sangtae's friend said, "He can't get promoted thanks to Ma Sangtae... Ma Sangtae keeps messing with him AND Ma Sangtae keeps sexually harassing him", he has no reason to like, let alone be interested in Sangtae romantically. Sangtae even realizes and admits this when he says he "went too far". Sangtae's friend even says, and i quote: "admit it, you're a scumbag" and Sangtae agrees when he says he "went too far" as well as with his obviously guilty demeanour. If Sangtae AND Sangtae's friend are admitting he's a scumbag and that he went too far, AND Sangtae himself just admitted he acted the way he did because he got horny while looking at Jinwoo, is there really even an argument for him anymore? Same for the whole "Jinwoo consented" argument, he views Sangtae as "corruptive" and is trying to "cut ties with him" even going so far as to change jobs without telling Sangtae. Checkmate? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I'm really NOT trolling, not sure why anyone thinks that? These are my serious, honest thoughts and analysis of what happened this chapter. Did you read it?
People don't like it when you give all the facts and not leave any room for retaliation, because I've donr this before for a living and got lashed for it too, so I just allowed people to be wrong. Just let them be wrong, the easiest way to show you're offended is to say troll or dislike
You're right. ╮(￣▽￣)╭