This is so cute~ i was so sure they were fated too! "my omega". Yes. That had to be one of, if not THE cutest in-love face i've ever seen. Also, there it is, "I'm sorry about last night. I lost all sense of control. i told you i wouldn't lay a finger on you. It's true that you inspired me, but i never once thought about using you. I had no idea (that he was in love) and i behaved exactly like those alphas i detest. I can't believe i only realized it after all this has happened. I guess i was the dumb one after all. -in love face with 'badump' sounds- My child, my omega". This confirms everything i thought to a T. I'm so happy this isn't turning into one of those bad omegaverse. ヾ(☆▽☆)
At the end of the day, it's easy for Dojin to be fluffy and sentimental, he's not the one who is going to have to deal with pushing a baby out.
Oh, don’t worry, he won’t be having an easy time during this pregnancy either ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yeah, it doesn't hurt that he has a walking bank book, his pregnancy is going to last only half as long as a normal pregnancy and his stomach wont expand as much, which'll safe him a lot of the difficulties involved in pregnancy as well. The expanded stomach causes a lot of the issues/discomfort, apparently his stomach will "barely be noticeable".
But, he came across as SUCH an 'S' seme till he got drunk and was pushed down! I totally thought the "be manly and kiss him" advice was just going to lead to Katou being messed with and kissed, but then he actually went and did it. Katou's so shoujo-y that i'm honestly surprised with this development.
Yeah... I was not expecting serizawa to turn out to be an S-uke... I wonder if that's really the direction the story will go?!?!
But now, I kinda see it. I dunno. That cold-uke / puppy-seme type story has been popular lately.
Yeah, that's true. Though the story doesn't usually set the uke up to have a seme personality, it's usually just external. You know, the uke's taller/more built, looks handsome instead of cute, but they usually have that uke personality. This time they did the opposite, the uke's bigger, but they switched the personalities around. Seme is like a shoujo girl, lol. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Maybe we get a seke couple?
I'd like to wish so, but there are some spoilers that say otherwise. ┗( T﹏T )┛
I can't handle where this is going... You can see something's off with Hyunwoo, it's so obvious and it sucks because you can so clearly see they've both fallen in love. I saw someone talking about the raws, so i know, but i can't help but still feel the emotions as i read and see it all going down...
That was just... How are you just going to come out and say it like that? With no sugar coating or anything. I honestly don't get how Logan kept his cool/seems unfazed about that... He seems more irritated that he isn't the crush rather than that he just found out Daniel has been pretending to be his friend since childhood JUST to stay close to his dad and has even considered using him as a replacement if he grew to look like his dad (i don't think Logan was told about this last part, actually)... I guess the idea is that he's starting to fall for Daniel after having sex with him, hence the jealousy after realising he isn't the crush and setting up the FWB deal just now? It didn't feel right, like Daniel just unloaded a HUGE bombshell and Logan was just like "oh? Let me fuck you then". Well, it shows Daniel comparing Logan to his dad, so maybe he'll end up falling for him? After all "that stupid kindess is in his blood". Logan is blackmailing him into being FWB now, but tbh it doesn't look like Daniel cares and wasn't he planning that anyways? "he can be a replacement". I think Logan is just taking advantage because he's in love now, it's a way to progress things and they'd had sex anyways.
Thank you.. those were exactly my thoughts
What? He JUST tried to run away. If we're talking about his blushes/questionable behavior, Siwon blushes a lot and his behavior is clearly being effected by... Something. Xuan tried to say it's the incense, but as Siwon says "what kind of incese even does that"? He doesn't believe it and neither do i, plus, when Siwon called bullshit on the incense doing what Xuan said, Xuan just dropped it like there was no point in lying anymore. I think it was just a stimulant, not "an incense that makes you speak your true desires". I think he used the incense to make Siwon horny and then used his envy stone to make him act that way during the bdsm scene just now to confuse him. It was weird how his mind was saying the opposite of what his mouth was, not in the usual way though. Look through the scene again, he says it feels good when Xuan hits him in the chest with that thing, but in his head he says "what am i saying? There's no way this feels good. I don't want this. Stop touching me", but he keeps saying aloud whatever Xuan wants to hear/acting how Xuan is telling him he should. It's like he"s being controlled, the entire time he says stuff like "why am i saying/acting like this" and at the beginning he said "i can't move my body". I think it'll be a lot of the same up ahead, it just LOOKS like he likes it, but i bet his dialogue will show that he doesn't. For the people who need a reminder of how Siwon REALLY feels about Xuan, BEFORE he was whisked away to Xuan's territory where literally EVERYTHING could be being manipulated by Xuan, read ch 60, pgs 3-8. Lol.
or translate ch 67 and see that there’s a possibility siwon might actually have feelings. of course we can’t truly say he does until he himself says/thinks it. ppl’s minds and feelings can change, even if it’s stuoud...but...u know... whatever diihddihhi
My point was that there is no momentum building up to that... You DO realize that ch 67 is in like 4 chapters, right? Siwon still hates him, not sure why people are looking at the raws and are assuming that the blushing/"questionable" shit isn't the same that it has been till now... All the sudden all you guys want to go all delusional.
lol whatever. we don’t know what’ll actually happen, so honestly we can’t say for sure siwon will always hate lu, and we can’t say for sure siwon will start liking lu. all we got are clues.
and spoiler alert, i didn’t say anything about his blush in my first reply. i was mostly referring to when he thought “Crazy...I’m crazy!!” back in his room bc of that near kiss he got with lu. accompanied by a blush, sure, but he doesn’t look angry, but rather shocked and dazed.
you and i and everyone else are not the author, so chill for a sec. ppl need to stop saying it won’t happen or it will.
i was merely pointing out the possibility. you denied it vehemently.
also, to “answer” the momentum thing....um are we reading the same story? lol idk man but there’s only so much momentum in the beginning before it’s gone.
I mean, sure, it's a possibility in the same way anything is a possibility. Is it likely? No. Sorry if i came across too strong, you just came across kinda bitchy so i did too. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Exactly, Jinwoo isn't an 'M' with a hidden kink or some shit for being looked down on. He's a straight guy with a girlfriend, constantly under an aphrodisiac like effect thats being taken advantage of by a gay who is crushing on him with a loose set of moral values... What straight guy would be okay realizing that one of their fellow men is looking at him "in the way a man looks at a woman" (he's talking in a sexual context here, so he means Sangtae is looking at him like a hole to be fucked)? It's like, Sangtae was just another guy that he worked with and now he's been forced to not just see, but FEEL Sangtae's fantasies and it honestly must've broken that "he's a coworker" trust when he noticed how he was being looked at. The pad was just insulting and that's how Sangtae meant it to be too. Maybe he'll get good use out of it at least? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
It would appear i'm going to have to kill some fuckles myself, and adopt some children. At least Bai. I realize he was really mean, but you can see it's clearly got something to do with his past, he says he "just wants their love" and that he "can't stand seeing his back". I realized after that when he said "my heart hurts", he probably meant literally. When the teacher said he's disappointed. I need to protect him. The other two as well, of course.
He was clearly unconscious, his alpha instincts kicked in (you can see his eyes glazed over) and he went into "pregnancy mode". The same way Hyesung's eyes glazed over and he forced sex on Dojin multiple times. Hyesung even says "his eyes... Get ahold of yourself!" (ch 19, pg 3). If this was rape, then so were the last few times they had sex where Hyesung came onto Dojin while unconscious/ in his pheromones. As soon as Hyesung started to hurt, Dojin was able to snap back to his senses and TRIED TO PULL OUT. Unconscious=can't control himself. When he WAS conscious he tried to pull out, but he'd knotted inside Hyesung while he was unconscious (this is a VERY important piece of information to take in as without it, it looks like he's just NOT pulling out while hurting Hyesung. He PHYSICALLY couldn't pull out. Read about "knotting" here: http://haberkonium.tumblr.com/post/146555840779/omegaverse-explained-knottingbonding-edition, if you need, it's a biological thing in canines.), so he could only wait till it shrunk and he could physically pull out. He didn't keep fucking Hyesung when he regained consciousness, he stopped and waited, WHILE INSIDE HIM, till his dick went flacid enough that he could pull out while trying to comfort Hyesung during the wait. He didn't use his pheromones to rape Hyesung, he used them to show that he'd never used them before. He was saying that all the sex they'd had up till now was free of his pheromones as Hyesung didn't know what they felt like till now. "Have i ever released my pheromones in front of you? I was nice to you. I let you make yourself at home. So what's the problem (with staying here)?" (ch 18, pg 7 + 8). Some spoilers here: it wasn't even this round of sex that got him pregnant, it was when Hyesung was unconscious/in his pheromones and mounted Dojin that he got pregnant. The one where he says "i want a baby". HE got HIMSELF pregnant when he mounted Dojin, who had been asleep. Dojin doesn't consider Hyesung a "surrogate", he's in love because they're a fated pair, he says in the raws "there's still time" (to win Hyesung over) after Hyesung gets upset about the shoes. He wants Hyesung to keep the baby because he loves him and it's their child, he also wants Hyesung to raise it with him. It's why he's so desperate to keep Hyesung from leaving.
All your rant becomes invalid if you pay the attention to the fact that alpha was conscious before he WILLINGLY started to emit pheromones to make omega submissive. It's the same thing as to drug someone's drink in order to fuck they.
He didn't emit pheromones to make him submissive, he did it because Hyesung was acting as though he was trying to force him to stay there, look at the dialogue again... He was just asking, desperately. He uses his pheromone to show that he's never used them on him to make a point that he's treated him right.
Hyesung: "Is it because you need me to be inspired or something? I don't know how important that is to you, but i could care less! I'm sick of being used by other people! So just leave me alone!", he's saying that Dojin is just keeping him there for the inspiration he gets from him. Dojin: "no, that's not it. Why are you... Always...Trying to run away from me?", he is saying that Hyesung is under a misunderstanding, he isn't using him. The inspiration is just a plus, he wants him there to take care of him as he has been because he loves him. He doesn't understand why Hyesung is always trying to run away when all he does is treat him well, he uses his pheromones to show that he's always givin him options, if he'd used them before, Hyesung would recognize them. It wasn't to rape him, i said this in my comment.
Thanks!
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I agree with this. The problem is that some clearly don't know a thing or two about the rules in omegaverse. What other people don't understand is that most of the characters' actions in these types of stories are prompted by INSTINCT. Like ruts, heats, scenting or knotting. Or the uncontrollable urge to keep your mate close and being possessive, like what Dojin did. Or the need to have sex and get pregnant, like what happened to Hyesung.
And about the rape issue... I know rape can never ever be right but following the rules of omegaverse, putting an omega and an alpha under the same roof is a disaster waiting to happen. Tho, maybe that's why the author made it that way. To build up the story.
(Side note, maybe mangago should have "mature"/"non-consensual" tags in their mangas/manhwas to avoid having people get triggered all the time.)
There DOES seem to be some thought going on that seems to be being applied out of context. I agree with you as well. The omegaverse is a setting, it IS rules, it's how things work/are regardless of the logic we try to apply based on our own irl experiences. The instincts CANNOT be controlled, this is part of the canon, even the suppressants tend to fail in cases. Medication isn't even a solution here... Then there is the biology page that some people skip as well. Those pages at the beginning are important. (￣ε(#￣)Σ
Yeah. That is so true. The first few pages of a manga with an omegaverse setting explains the whole thing but some tend to ignore it. They're there for a reason guys.
Before Dojin released his pheromones on purpose he did it by accident because he got very upset (and they leaked out) that Hyesung was trying to leave (again). This is why the fight about the pheromones started.
You need to remember that Dojin is a dominant alpha which in this omegaverse means has stronger pheromones than normal, he also doesn't like omegas and generally avoids them. So he tends to not use his pheromones. In contrast the author clearly showns the brother using his on Heesu to get him to agree to taking extra spending money and perfume. (Which seems to be the socitail norm in this setting.) Wheras Heesu mentioned that he's friends with Dojin because unlike the other alphas he has never used pheromones on him. It is also pointed out that Dojin is very sensitive to omega pheromones and doesn't like them and tends to avoid coming into contact with them, also seems to have stronger resistance to them. (I think this is the reason he tried to help Hyesung but it got complicated and escallated because he didn't have a home, but these are onlly hints so far though.)
Hyesung is still in denial that he is omega (he has been forced to accept facts but has still to accept the impacts on his life and how society expects him to conform).
Dojin can't understand this and there is major communication problems on both sides. We also have yet to see how Hyesung's background is affecting the situation as it has been hinted as an explanation to his actions.
So in general Dojin is not your typical alpha for this omegaverse society, just like Hyesung is not a typical omega.
Just to point out a few things that I think are not being picked up on. The author has set up the omegaverse to have dominant and recessive alphas and omegas. The dominant ones have strong pheromones and can have difficulty controling them. The recessive ones can have delayed development of their pheromones and when they develop the first time can be strong.(was mentioned when Hyesung was confirmed as omega, but he had a fit and left before getting all the info) It is also socially acceptable to use your pheromones.
At this point that is all that is clear, we don't know how the pheromone perfume fits in or the way the rape laws work for this society (we know there's one as Hyesung mentioned it) or if there are laws about pheromones or how bad the omega discrimination is yet.
I think that since the pheromone perfume is new in the society, the effects are yet to be known (at least publicly) so laws and regulations will not be in place. In my opinion the brother intentionally made the perfume to force Dojin to mate with omegas because of his complete refusal to do so. Wheather it turns out that the loss of control is an intended side affect or not is yet to be revealed. It could also be that it is target spicific to Dojin as the brother developed it. In my opinion the perfume is like a date rape drug but has not been picked up on as it is new. But we'll have to wait and see what the author reveals.
We do know that perfume was involved in the first sex with both parties affected (Hyesung's first heat, Dojin desperately tryin to convey the situation Hyesung was in, loosing control and leaving and then Hyesung mounting Dojin) but we will have to wait and see if the brother has been having Heesu dose Dojin with perfume and if this is triggering the other times or if fated mates exist in this omegaverse.
What a lot of people seem to be doing is applying our societal values (in which rape and consent are hot topics for debate atm) to the omegaverse one when there's a completely different social make up and acceptable norms. Even if they are wrong they are the setting for the story and we are following how the characters interact with them or how they try to change them or whether they conform or diverge.
This^ Hyesung was acting like he was threatening him with the little accidental slip of pheromones, it pissed Dojin off that Hyesung was implying he was trying to force him to stay by threatening him with his pheromones so Dojin let them out for real to make the point that Hyesung has never felt them before because: "have i ever let my pheromones out around you? I was nice to you. I let you make yourself at home.", he's always treated him well.
You can see that he lost consciousness for a second, the uke even says "his eyes... Get ahold of yourself!", then he knotted (when an alpha fucks an omega with the intent to get them pregnant, their penis will swell and the bulge on the base of their shaft will grow so that the alpha stays inside till he's done cumming, he can't pull out. It's a biology thing in canines, the instincts go for max pregnancy possibility.) inside because his instincts were looking for and found the place to get him pregnant, so he couldn't pull out. The knotting started to hurt the uke, which brought the seme back to his senses and the uke was impregnated while they were waiting to be able to pull it out. He only used his pheromones to show that he hadn't used them up till then, not to rape him, he was showing that the sex they'd had previously were all without influence from his pheromones. If the uke's instincts are being taken into account, the seme's should be as well. No, i don't think it was rape in the same way it wasn't rape when the uke came at him with his pheromones, it was all instincts and couldn't be helped. If you're saying the seme raped him, then the uke raped him too, multiple times, WITH pheromones. If you want to say they raped each other, fine, but that seems like such a sad way to look at it.
Finally! Someone said it! I agree with you!
I like how you present this i'm really curious about where you get this information have you read it from some manga with the same storyline if so please message me i'm really interested in Alpha, omega, and beta story. This is soo detailed.. Will be waiting ok..ヾ(☆▽☆)(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
It's mentioned at the beginning of each omegaverse manga how the universe works in relation to the three sexes, this manga included, if you look it actually shows the bulge only found on alphas there. Um... So... You seem fresh to this so i'll give you a warning, the majority of the omegaverse manga are dark and usually include rape/prostitution. There are some light hearted ones, but they're kinda rare. A pretty good one is sex pistols if you want a place to start.
i love you bc of that answear!<3
WHO DAFUQ DISLIKED THIS?!SHPW YOURSELF!!
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Lol, don't worry too much about it. It could've been an accident? ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
CH 10 isn't rape though
Cuts he said no and stop to sucking his dick only
Penetration part was on dojin
And also the strength difference , I mean come on , he was so sober and he said (don't have to be impatient since I will put it right back in) , how is that rape ??
Dojin gave in to his desires , and he was , merely forcing his own desires to stop , and he said (I hate his our bodies hunger for each other ) ..
He didn't gave in to hyesung , he gave in to his desires ...
While hyesing was fighting dojin while he raped him
I love dojin and I clearly see he is an angel ..but he lacks communication skills and we shouldn't justify what he did ,
I'm sorry, i don't understand what you're saying. (￣ε(#￣)Σ I'm actually saying that none of the scenes were rape as in all of them the "aggressor" wasn't conscious. The seme is caught off guard and resists the uke when he comes onto him before giving in and having sex, the uke does the same until the seme regains consciousness and tries to pull out. The seme comes back when he sees the uke in pain, he literally wasn't conscious till then. I'm not "making excuses". ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
First: IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESPOND, READ THE ENTIRE THING. Now:
There it is, Jinwoo DOES NOT like Sangtae, he's being forced. He's trying to leave his job and he says he "can't accept" staying near Sangtae anymore in case he "makes him weird". Did it feel good? Yes. That's why he's trying to get away, because his body reacts to Sangtae after all the forced touching. DO NOT romanticize this, it's clearly not in a good way. Did Jinwoo look happy at all this entire chapter? He tries to have sex with a woman, he's still straight, but he's being traumatized and his body is being trained from the repeated sexual assaults. Did/does he want it? No. It's a physical reaction to being touched while he's already horny. He's too embarrassed to have sex with his girlfriend... This shit going on has him TOO EMBARRASSED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND. Really let that sink in. Sangtae has literally psychologically scarred him now...
I see a lot of comments saying Jinwoo is "cheating and lying", what? Cheat and lie? He's not willingly having sex with Sangtae, did you not read this chapter? He makes it clear. He shouldn't have to tell anyone about being sexually assaulted and raped either... He's "lying" because he doesn't want to tell his girlfriend he's been sexually assaulted and raped by another man... These are problems seriously weighing on him and he wants to get away from Sangtae, again, he explicitly says that the reason he wants to quit his job is: "to get away from Sangtae even if the fantasies continue". It's not the fantasies anymore guys, he wants away from SANGTAE, tell me how he's falling now? This type of situation and you guys' reaction to it is exactly why it's such a huge problem that there aren't any male sexual abuse centers in the U.S. If you want to say Sangtae is hot, fine, say that. DO NOT try and argue that Jinwoo AT ALL wants what's happening or is AT ALL at fault.
Sangtae isn't to blame for the fantasies, but he IS to blame for the psychological damage and stress his words inflicted on Jinwoo BEFORE their relationship got sexual (remember those times where Sangtae rubbed it in Jinwoo's face when he got credit for his work and when he ripped Jinwoo's face off/said snarky comments to Jinwoo at work because the fantasties forced him to leave? Only to find out that Jinwoo had actually already done a lot of the work?), and now he is to blame for the psychological scarring he's inflicted on this helpless straight guy he sexually assaulted and raped. Having a crush doesn't give you the right to have sex with someone who is clearly not appreciating your touch and, no, Jinwoo showing him his dick didn't justify the first sexual assault... If you actually read the chapter and understand the flow of events you'll see that Sangtae was implying Jinwoo needs psychiatric help when he told Sangtae that he knows he's gay because he sees his fantasies. Jinwoo decided to prove it by telling Sangtae all his kinks, Sangtae said "how do you know those aren't just your fantasies" and THIS is when Jinwoo explains that the fantasies don't happen like normal fantasies, "they're like a constant porn loop that plays in my head." -whips out dick- "do your fantasies make you like this?". He's showing that the fantasies aren't like normal fantasies where you can just calm down and they'll go away, he had to show this by showing how his body literally WONT calm down. Even putting that aside, by the logic of "he showed Sangtae his dick, so Sangtae is justified in getting horny and sexually assaulting him", doctors are allowed to have sex with you, all your gym classmates are allowed to have sex with you, all the civilians in the YMCA lockers are allowed to have sex with you. Do you see how flawed that logic is? No, getting horny isn't a justified reason to touch someone... He didn't show Sangtae his dick to make him horny, he showed him his dick to prove the fantasies aren't normal. Just like if you get changed in the locker room while facing and talking to a friend you aren't "giving them a show", if they get horny, that's on them.
For those of you who want to argue that Sangtae is "just trying to help", look at ch 10, pg 22. This is where Sangtae first tries to say he should "help" Jinwoo, now look at Sangtae's eyes while he says "well, now that i found out i'm obligated to help. You said it, it's my fault", he's LOOKING AWAY... HE doesn't even think he sounds believable. Let's look at a few other things here. Look at pg 19 UP TILL 22, notice how BEFORE he offers to "help" while looking away he goes from being calm and collected while talking to Jinwoo to blushing and "badump"ing? He got horny, hugged (i say hugged, but that sounds cute, he was just jumping Jinwoo in a fit of horniness) Jinwoo from behind and then offered to "help" while looking away... Now that that's been put aside. Let's look at 3 pages, 22 and 23 first. In 22 you see Sangtae touch him and 23 you see Jinwoo go to say that the fantasies stopped, but before he can even finish his sentence or even react to what's about to happen Sangtae yanks his pants down. Now look at pg 36, Jinwoo says "i-i told you to stop. The fantasies stop when you touch me... Is what i was trying to say". Jinwoo just said that ALL that needs to happen to stop the fantasies is for Sangtae to TOUCH him, not sexually. Meaning, the NEXT time he assaults Jinwoo in the station stall he KNOWS what he's doing. Jinwoo TOLD him. Finally, let's look at the end of pg 36 where Sangtae says "oh... Is that right? Sorry... I would have finished sooner if i knew...", that's an awful lot of pausing... It's almost like he's lying, right? In the same way he was when he offered to "help" when he was really just horny. If you thought so too, you're right because even Jinwoo calls him on his shit and says "bullshit". Jinwoo says HIMSELF that he doesn't believe Sangtae would've stopped, he KNOWS Sangtae is taking advantage. On the train Sangtae could've just put a hand on Jinwoo's shoulder to help him, but instead he gets visibly horny, pulls him off the train, PUSHES HIM DOWN onto the toilet and then forces Jinwoo while he CLEARLY protests this time (guys, he fingered Jinwoo, there was penetration. It's rape BY DEFINITION). While in the 1st sexual assault scene Jinwoo was pretty explicit in not wanting what was happening, the stall scene is even more so, to the point that there is no arguing it wasn't rape. Jinwoo is a lot more vocal about his irritation.
Hopefully this chapter was enough for the sympathizers to realize, this is NOT some light-hearted "oh he's just being a tease" romance about a straight guy falling for a gay guy. This is a manga about a straight guy who can't help but get horny around his gay co-worker, not because he likes him, but because magic, and a gay guy who has a crush on said straight guy and takes advantage of his crush's situation to sexually assault and rape him because he knows he can't help but feel good. It has explicitly shown that Jinwoo is physically incapacitated by the fantasies, he literally can't even work, so of course he doesn't punch Sangtae/hit him off... In other words, date rape with comedy thrown in to make you not want to hate the sexy Sangtae. The comedy and the crush are just plot devices to make you wonder if you SHOULD hate Sangtae. The comedy specifically is literally JUST there for damage control, "don't hate Sangtae TOO much, don't take Jinwoo's pain TOO serious, if you do this story will be REALLY dark~". Jinwoo doesn't want it and gets upset after each time, he wonders "how am i going to tell my girlfriend" and even has trouble with sex. He's a straight guy traumatized by being sexually assaulted and raped by his gay co-worker. Okay, i think that should do it, bye. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
But Sangtae didn’t rape him. It maybe sexual assault but without penetration.the first sex scene is later in ch 19 and I think Santagtae asks him if he can put it.
Can you wrote my essay for me
Yeah, i said "sexual assault AND rape", the sexual assault is the 1st scene and the rape is the stall scene where he penetrates him with fingers. I definitely made this clear, i even refer to the first scene as sexual assault.
If you're trying to argue that the stall scene isn't rape because he didn't use his dick, i'm sorry but that's not right. It fits rape by definition, it says "penetration", not penile penetration. He penetrated an unwilling straight guy with his fingers while he couldn't fight back. Rape. Plain and simple. Try to switch the sexes, if Jinwoo were a woman in this exact same scenario, would you argue that it wasn't rape if Sangtae fingered her vagina? It's the same thing. Men use the ass to do intercouse, hence the term "mancunt" and other vaginal comparisons.
I don’t have an account, so I can’t like this OP but I would
And to the other anon, does getting technical matter? It’s nonconsensual regardless of penetration
Thanks :^)
Tbh at the end of the day it’s yaoi lmao you came for it not to overthink the typical shit we always see sadly in yaoi I will just take this as a damn smut and enjoy I don’t care anymore Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
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(≧∀≦) I thought about the same thing too !!
I can respect that. I COULD just not take this seriously, i just don't feel like it. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
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finally someone said it
Thank you for debunking the arguments with actual facts! My reactions to the apologists was in the line of "did we read the same stuff?". I mean, I am (sadly) used to rape in mangas/manhwas by now; you can even enjoy these kind of stories, I mean, go ahead if it's only fictional. But you MUST be aware of what you're endorsing. Don't pretend Sangtae isn't using a convenient situation to rape his "crush", and don't pretend Jiwoon wants any of the things happening to him (that includes the bullying, btw, something discussed here already; Sangtae might be an S, but Jiwoon isn't an M, he doesn't like to be harassed). Either way, no one is telling people to stop reading - I myself won't stop - just... please realize Sangtae is trash and because of his actions, Jiwoon, who has never done anything wrong, is going through a lot of pain and stress.
I've been saying it all along, people are too quick to take the comedy bait and not hate Sangtae, it's retardedly effective, there were some even arguing that Jinwoo WANTED it... They want this to be something it's not, a cute romance about a straight guy falling for a guy guy who's had a crush on him, but it's really not... The crush isn't a focal point of the story, it's a plot device along with the comedy to make you question if you really SHOULD hate Sangtae. If the comedy wasn't there this'd just be a tragedy story, one of those deep ones that leave a bad taste in your mouth and can end up "happy" (bittersweet ending, maybe where the straight guy unwillingly gives in to his trained body and isn't happy while being used by the 'S' seme) or fucked up (straight guy leaves job and maybe eventually the city as well carrying the trauma that caused him to be unable to have sex with his girlfriend, maybe he starts unwillingly having sex with guys after he moves and is disgusted by it, but he can't help it anymore?). I can see it! Take a look at the last chapter and remove any comedy, like the face he makes where he says he "couldn't get it up", the face lessens the impact of what he's saying and how serious he's really feeling. The comedy is literally just here FOR this reason, damage control. "don't hate Sangtae TOO much, don't take Jinwoo's pain TOO seriously, if you do this story will be REALLY dark~".
Yes. Though i want to specify something, reading and enjoying ANYTHING isn't "endorsing it", what IS is when they try to argue against the reality of the situation, when they try to rationalize and excuse the actions. I'm assuming that's what you meant.
Hey, I do agree with you, but I'm not sure how to the define the moment that Jinwoo went with the flow and did let Sangtae kiss him, and did he push his backside himself in ch 10 pg. 28? just something about his behaviour in ch10 in the last pages bugged me...
I couldn't have said it better! You saved me from writing, really. Everything was definitely non consensual, and during the whole manhwa i was really uncomfortable . The poor guy didn't deserve all that shit he has gone through just because of the selfish desires the seme has. No matter how much i try, i can't find the seme attractive at all when he's acting this way. I do want to continue reading tho, since i'm quite curious about the continuation.
When he pushes his ass against Sangtae's dick it's a form of revenge, if you look he says "why not, you've already touched me everywhere else", he's irritated Sangtae didn't stop when he said "w-wait a min-" so he egged him on to get back at him. what's confusing here is that behavior, but you have to keep in mind that he's feeling so good right now that he doesn't know what to do with himself, he can't help but feel great because the fantasies had already got him so horny that he was hard already when he arrived. He realized he couldn't stop Sangtae and he needed to cum so he had to give in, this didn't stop him from getting some revenge by egging Sangtae on until he was so horny he was panting "hot breath" and saying his name "in a nervous voice".
Exactly what I meant! If people understand that the actions they are seeing portraited in fiction would be inherently wrong were they to happen in real life, then it's all good. What we can't do is find excuses for abusive behaviours (such as "but he was enjoying the sex so it wasn't really rape"), even if they are only fictional, because that would give people an opening to find excuses to abusive behaviours in real life as well - which, obviously, would be a serious situation.
Yes, exactly. (⌒▽⌒)
yeah i agree, but for yaoi something like this is normal sooo. ┗( T﹏T )┛
Reylla, he or she didn't use facts. I also go "did we really read the same stuff" when people call this rape. Rape victims don't tell their rapist to keep going and remarking how incredibly good it is...that just doesn't happen. When people call this rape, it's really a slap to the face of actual rape and rape victims.
Rape victims don't push their ass out and tell the rapist to keep going.
Gattaca, why are you LOOKING for my comments and responding? I've already heard all the idiotic things you have to spew, just stop fixating and go. I've already addressed the "tease", it was a form of revenge out of spite and what's really sad is that you would look at someone who didn't want the sex and tell them that because the outwardly showed signs of pleasure that they want it. He didn't even say "it feels so good" out loud, if you look in the replies i went over all of this. He says that while complaining that it's embarrassing and of course it "felt good", he was basically under an aphrodisiac effect. Quit acting like he moaned it aloud, grabbed Sangtae and told him to fuck his ass... You're just taking everything out of context. You believe what you want, but don't be spam hatemailing on my posts.
For anyone who wants to read the scene for themselves, feel free, it's ch 9 pgs 9-11 and ch 10, pgs 6-36. I've already explained everything panel by panel, feel free and read it yourselves, a basic level of reading/visual comprehension will allow you to see the sex isn't consensual. It wasn't rape since there is no penetration, it was sexual assault. The 1st rape scene is the stall scene in ch 11 where he literally throws Jinwoo into a bathroom stall, Jinwoo yells "what the hell are you doing?!" and Sangtae quickly rips his pants and underwear off and starts to finger him. He was told by Jinwoo at the end of THIS scene in chs 9 and 10 that the fantasies go away from a simple touch, meaning he could've just put a hand on Jinwoo's shoulder to help him on the train, but instead he purposely gets close to see how he'll react to the fantasies, his eyes glaze over as he gets horny watching Jinwoo squirm on the train, he says "i can't take it anymore" and then rapes Jinwoo inside the station stall. Not sure how this is even up for debate, HE'S LEAVING HIS JOB "TO GET AWAY FROM SANGTAE" (actual quote), but the sex was consensual? Lol. He even looks depressed after the stall scene while saying "how am i going to tell my girlfriend?"... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Also, i left another comment further up if you want to see the argument between Gattaca and like 2 other idiots and me. Basically, their argument is to take things out of context and that "he felt good so it's not rape", needless to say, i told them i think they're all idiots. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
The comment is titled "ugh." and starts with "and there (down below)".
The user youraedthiswrogn is a troll and pretty much an idiot. This person has been harassing other people here and has made multiple accounts to pretty much spam the same bullshit. He has said how there is teasing in rape and how rape can be playful.
I will continue to let people know that this person is an idiotic troll who has been making dangerous and moronic comments regarding this manga.
There is no teasing and playfulness in rape!