Seoan goes through so much !! My poor boy.. he has to provide support to woowon emotionally, mentally, physically and also financially.. this is nuts.. like he's raising a whole grown ass man whom he is in a relationship with.... And the support is completely one sided...i haven't seen a single chapter where seoan got a chance to show his vulnerability aside from showing his anger or insecurities...
And today's chapter completely broke me apart.. The amount of time he said to wait and stop while being intimate is mentally hurting me..
No i didn't, i also did not forget that woowon was telling seoan to stop because woowon was worried that seoan would hurt himself cuz he was trying to forcefully insert woowon's giant ass manhood inside himself .. so woowon basically told him to stop out of concern that he's gonna tear seoan without any preparation.. i hope i got my message across..
??? letâs not act like seoan only went through so much. yeah, he had it rough, no oneâs denying that but he also did wrong. like straight up assaulted woowon. and the way people keep calling him pitiful as if that erases what he did? nah. he wanted woowon to lean into him and depend on him, and when that actually happened, suddenly itâs âheâs raising a fully grown manâ? thatâs not woowonâs fault. he tolerated it. he enabled it. you deserve what you tolerate.
also that part where you said âthe amount of time he said to wait and stop while being intimate is mentally hurting meâ like okay, but didnât he also ignore woowon saying the same thing to him? the double standard is just... meh.
Did you not read what I wrote or are you just gonna act dumb here? Woowon said stop just "once" because it was hurting seoan, its not because woowon was in pain moron... He never said no to the sex, but he was more concerned for Seoan's well-being...Please up your comprehensive skills a bit....
Actually just admit that you are a Seoan hater at this point lol.. the way you phrased "seoan wanted it" sounds damn nasty.. seoan wanted him to lean on him true but that doesn't mean what woowon did was right either, thats in a way toxic.. and its a fact that he's practically raising him at this point, giving him shelter, financial support and what not...
lol itâs actually ironic how you're calling me dumb, a moron, and telling me to âup my comprehensive skillsâ when you didnât even get what i said?? (LMFAO) and i literally worded it SIMPLY. like, how did you miss the point that hard?
i never said woowon said stop because he was in pain, i know he said it because he was worried about seoan. but thatâs not even what i was pointing out. my point was, seoan DIDN'T listen. and whether itâs out of care or not, âstopâ is still STOP. if roles were reversed, yâall would be dragging woowon to hell and back. but because itâs seoan, suddenly itâs fine? okay.
also, saying âseoan wanted him to lean on himâ being ânastyâ is wild to me. like⌠thatâs literally what happened? he wanted to be the one woowon could rely on. now that heâs doing it, youâre calling woowon toxic and acting like seoan didnât sign up for this? LMFAOOO
anyway, instead of throwing insults maybe read what people are actually saying first. itâs not that deep to understand that seoan can be both pitiful and problematic.
*made some word uppercase bec u dumb asf
Wtf are you yapping about now?? Woowon literally raped him in the recent chapter while being in the process of having sex and you are comparing it with the consensual sex they had before?? seoan didn't listen and woowon manhandled him afterwards...so they both had consensual sex after that..woowon practically rammed him real good, it wasn't assault nor was it a rape you idiot..go reread from chap 59-61 cuz your brain seems quite slow to me..."Saying stop is STOP"- wtf does that mean XD ? Are you on crack or something? Get some help instead of loitering around here trying to justify rape with you shitty ass clapbacks.. just because a partner wants their other half to lean on them, you are saying they have to cope with getting raped and taken advantage of now? Disgusting
Tbh the sex scene between chapters 59-61 was forceful, sudden and also due to Seoanâs anger which is a form of stability. If you consider the most recent chapter rape you should also hold this sex scene to the same standards, although woowon did end up going with the sex he even said himself that he wanted to calm Seoan down more than anything. Itâs similar in sentiment although not as noticeable because woowon is a pushover unlike seoan. They both have their fair share of toxicity, of course with none of it ever being ok.
Yes it was sudden and started as being forceful. I agree with you, it was also anger induced in Seoan's part, but through this i think the only person that ended up harmed would have been seoan, which is like someone inflicting self harm to themselves.. and woowon understood that.. woowon's purpose was to calm him down and his stop and nos' were also for Seoan's sake...rape is something done on an individual forcefully without their consent that traumatise and hurts them both physically and mentally and if you think about it woowon was never against the sex but rather he was against hurting seoan in the process. Its because i understood the sentiment that im saying that in the recent chapter it turned forceful in the midway through their intercourse, it was hurting seoan .. woowon disregarded his continuous pleas and even the starting of the sex was quite forceful.. im not saying seoan was a saint cuz he has his fair share of flaws but what he did is nowhere compared to what woowon did.... Say for example if it was a hetero sexual relationship and seoan was a woman then no way anyone could have compared it.. because a man forcing themselves on a woman is an complete act of rape no matter how anyone tries to justify it.. here woowon's act is considered a rape just like that.
but what if the woman tried to forcefully have sex with the man then what? Ever thought about that? In law terms and rules a woman is not capable of committing rape, and their version is considered as sexual assault because for rape someone needs to insert and penetrate the other person's private areas (vagina/anus) forcefully without consent that inflicts injury and trauma.. so now come to this story, what seoan did can be considered as an assault if he was forceful and woowon was completely against it from the starting to the end.. but after woowon confronted seoan he himself manhandled him and then they had sex , even if you say woowon didn't want it he finished it till the end.. now this can be assault for you and nothing for me... But comparing this to what woowon did in the recent chapter is completely invalid as it satisfied every element that needs for it to be termed as rape ..
Didn't want to write such a long reply but your reply was reasonable and I understand where you are coming from as a lay person but as a law student myself I thought people really need to know which one is rape and what is not.. otherwise every disagreement will be considered as rape..
Excuse me i never said that? I said the two events are completely different which you tried to portray as the same... Bottoms also have dicks so they surely can of they want.. i don't care what you agree or disagree... I stand by what i said unless you can prove it logically and lawfully impossible to me.. end of this discussion..
u said it yourself that 'it was sudden and started as being forceful' it you don't consider it as rape? that's some retarded brainded shit af. go get your brain check, just bec you love the art or the manhwa doesn't mean you'll have to excuse their actions?? you all wrote that shit just to defend a rapist? dawg, the bar is in hell.
having âsudden,â âforceful,â and ânot an assaultâ in the same sentence is exactly what a brain-rotted take looks like. i donât care if youâre a law student, that just makes it more embarrassing, LMFAO. you can absolutely study law and still be an IDIOT. degrees donât fix DELUSIONS.
youâre out here twisting basic definitions like consent and assault to protect a fictional character, while sounding like a walking CONTRADICTION. itâs giving âi read one paragraph in my textbook and now i think Iâm untouchable.â
hate to break it to you, but in any actual legal circle, youâd be a laughingstock. a disgrace. imagine saying âit was sudden and forcefulâ but then turning around to go âbut itâs not assault, trust me i study law.â bro. please.
I didnât try to portray them as the same, although woowons rape is more upfront and obvious what Seoan did to woowon was rape as well. Sex without proper consent is rape no matter what situation, even if itâs a woman forcing a mans dick in her. Itâs really not that complicated and idgaf what the law in your country considers rape, the judicial system fails people all the time and you should know that specially if youâre a law student lol
@stewie bitch go read the definition of rape first.. blocking me won't make you look like you won the argument.. you don't even know whats rape and sexual assault... Fucking prick... I don't wanna argue with uneducated swines like you.. you are the real life laughing stock of this society.. get some education or something instead of blindly defending rapists...
And none of my statements contradict one another.. woowon did engage in consensual sex even though he was against for Seoan's sake at first.. that sex was consensual.. and consensual sex can never be called assault or rape.. getting your fucking facts straight first.. i keep writing the same shit over and over again.. what is this crack head behavior? Whats so hard to understand? I swear all kinda brainless morons comes here and can't even get their facts right... Know the difference between all kinds of sexual assault first and then come argue with me...
And its not just the law in my country every freaking country says the same shit.. rape can only be committed when a man penetrate their dick forcefully on another.. its the same for every single country... Its hard to see you talk so much about rape and not knowing that small thing.. this is why women can't commit rape... only men are capable of rape...and here Seoan's the one in the receiving end...so yeah he's the only one in the relationship that will be capable of getting rape if its forceful.....Go get a proper idea on what rape is instead of arguing here with me..
@nuts if you don't give a shit then don't come to force your illogical opinion on others, you look like a tantrum throwing princess... Majority of you don't know how complicated this topic is, so you're just saying whatever comes to your mind... Its because you keep being oblivious to this and think whatever comes to your mind is the right thing that rape is being so easily ignored in the society.. fake rape cases are the reason society thinks its a joke now... So its actually not the law but you majority that made this topic a laughing stock.. nobody takes it seriously nowadays... And you people are the ones defend real rapist while blame the victims or try to find faults in the victims like you are doing now.. but yeah whatever floats your boat as long as your favs are being portrayed as innocent...
Is education illegal in your country?? Looks like you don't even have common sense...Like you are the one defending a rapist here and you are pointing figures at me??? You are defending woowon who literally committed rape like wtf are you taking expired weeds or something?? Your ass needs jail time tbh because you are pretending to be all slick but you are directly defending a rapist.. you couldn't even get a single valid point and spouting nonsense since the very beginning.. you don't know 2 shits about consent and creating a drama here... You are lucky that you get to write so much crap online because if you were in front of me face to face you wouldn't stand a chance talking all that shit... Sudden and forceful indeed but that doesn't make it rape , rape is so easy for you but it needs to satisfy all the elements.. whatever, why the fck im explaining this to a dumbass like you who doesn't even have proper education... Go get a life or something rapist defender ...
how do you even call yourself a âlaw studentâ when you canât comprehend the very simple words i wrote? where in any of my replies did I defend anyone? iâve literally been calling both characters out. but apparently reading between the lines is too advanced for the self-proclaimed legal genius.
youâre throwing around words like ârapist defenderâ and âexpired weedâ while missing the entire point. all because someone dared to say that seoan isnât innocent either. if this is how a future lawyer argues with no reading comprehension and all bark, then yeah, the world is doomed fr. law student my ass, more like brainrot dumbass retarded idiot
youâve âdealt with people like meâ before? yeah, people who actually read and make valid points â no wonder you're so triggered lmao. I donât need to âvictimize a rapistâ because I never did. you just canât accept that both characters were in the wrong, and you're too deep in your bias to read properly.
you said youâre not calling yourself anything, but you literally pulled the âlaw studentâ card to try and sound more credible â and still flopped. embarrassing. calling people degenerate and disgusting doesnât make your argument any stronger, it just shows you lost the plot.
youâre out here confidently saying âonly men can commit rapeâ and âwomen canât rapeâ like itâs some universal truth, when in reality, thatâs one of the most outdated and dangerous takes Iâve ever seen. and youâre saying this as a so-called law student? embarrassing isnât even the word itâs terrifying.
rape is about lack of consent, not just penetration. and yes, women can rape. so can bottoms. so can anyone, regardless of gender or role, when consent is ignored. the fact that you're still stuck on the idea that only the person with a penis can be a rapist is genuinely disturbing.
youâre NOT JUST WRONG, YOU'RE IGNORANT, and worse, youâre spreading that ignorance while parading your 'aw student' badge like it gives you authority. it doesnât. it only highlights how deeply UNQUALIFIED you are to speak on anything related to consent, law, or morality.
you called me a moron, but you're the one proudly saying things that are literally disproven in international law and modern legal systems. your mindset is the exact reason why so many survivors stay silent because people like you only recognize assault when it fits your outdated view of what it âshouldâ look like.
if this is the future of law, then god help us all.
Lol excuse me you have been defending woowon from the very beginning wtf are you on about now.. and I didn't tell you that im a law student i said that to the other idiot.. so now that your irrelevant points are not making sense you are resorting to personal attacks?? Shame on people like you... You really are a proper degenerate ... And you tried to say both committed rape i said no seoan didn't because he's not capable of doing it, but now you are saying something else?? You exaggerated the consensual sex they had between the chapters 59-61 and called it rape where it wasn't and now you are saying you just pointed out how both of them are wrong? You are such a 2 standard liar...
lmfao now youâre rewriting your own words just to save face? you literally called yourself a law student when replying to someone if you didnât want people quoting it, maybe donât say it in a public thread. own it.
and yes, Iâve been CONSISTENT: i said from the beginning that both characters were in the wrong â i pointed out seoan's actions back in chap 60 before you even acknowledged them. the fact that youâre still out here saying âseoan canât commit rapeâ just proves how little you understand about consent, power, and accountability.
you say i'm lying and switching points, but all youâve done is deflect, twist your own words, and throw insults when you canât keep up. you say i exaggerated a scene? LMFAO your words were âit was sudden and started as being forceful.â that CAME from YOU. i just didnât excuse it like YOU DID.
so yeah, shame on people like me? nah. shame on people like you
not you saying âiâm not making personal attacksâ when you were the first one calling me a moron, a dumbass, degenerate, and even told me i needed jail time lmfao. the audacity is insane. you really out here playing victim now that people are holding a mirror up to your mess? you threw slurs and insults the second someone disagreed with you, and now youâre pretending to be calm and rational? be serious.
Im not gonna read your bullshit and keep arguing with you.. i didn't read all those books for years on rape and its vast terminologies to come here and talk with a idiot who thinks women assaulting someone sexually is called rape... You don't know what you are talking about you just saying whatever comes to your mind at this point.. and no i didn't make the rules its the universal law that they can't rape... Go Google it or something im not here to educate you... You don't know shits about laws regarding this vast topic so keep it out of your mouth ... Im talking facts and you are talking bullshit that you cooked up... The things i said are the actual law of every freaking country its not what i think neither it's my views.. you yet access to all sorts of stuff online so i can't believe people like you exist that can't even check their facts right.. its not outdated views rather its the rules...
oh i get it now youâre not âthat brightâ LMFAOOOOOO because youâre too busy dodging your own mistakes to actually face them. lmfao. all that loud barking about laws and âfactsâ but the second someone challenges you with actual logic, suddenly itâs âiâm not gonna read your bullshitâ? yeah, because you canât, not without admitting you fumbled hard.
keep pretending itâs âuniversal lawâ if that helps you sleep at night, but the real issue here is that youâre just mad you got called out and canât handle it. thatâs why youâre spiraling instead of debating.
You have distorted your statements a countless times by now, by saying seoan raped woowon and then went on to say seoan needs to tolerate it because he accepted woowon to lean on him and then you moved on to say both of them were wrong .. why so many distortion ?? Can't stick to one ? Seoan is in the receiving end in the relationship so yes he can't rape but he can commit assault if he wants.. but both of them had consensual sex so its not considered rape or assault.. i literally wrote this same shit a million times by now and you are still acting dumb... Go research on this topic or something instead of trying to distort amd twist what these terms are... Because your dumbness is hurting my brain...
you keep saying iâm distorting my points but the only one twisting things here is you. itâs honestly wild how you still canât read between the lines. i never said seoan deserved to be raped â what i actually said was, you calling him pitiful for âraising a grown manâ is ironic because heâs the one who literally told woowon to lean on him. he offered that role. so yeah, donât act like it was forced on him â he chose it. and when you willingly take on that emotional burden, saying âheâs pitifulâ just doesnât hit the way you think it does. thatâs the âdeserve what you tolerateâ part. not the assault. donât twist my words just because you canât keep up.
also, you keep screaming âi said this a million timesâ like repetition makes your argument more correct â it doesnât. what it really shows is you canât actually respond to whatâs being said, so you just keep yelling louder and insulting peopleâs intelligence to cover it up.
maybe if you actually read my replies instead of foaming at the mouth, your brain wouldnât hurt so much.
now, who's the dumbass here, isn't it u? the law student who doesn't have any comprehension
I keep Repeating it cuz you guys don't know what it means and keep pointing out weird shits you cooked up... Thats not how it works sorry to burst your bubble... Go search it up or something Google is practically free for you dumb people.. rape can't be committed by women thats a rule and i didn't make it... Its the universal law.. and also seoan is the one getting done here so in this relationship he can't do it..
And you actually said what seoan did was rape lol.. i can even copy paste you reply... Now you are denying the fact that you said it .. damn
And no people don't tolerate bullshit a d toxic behavior from their partners just because they said they can lean on them... This is outrageous that you think this is right... this just shows how little you care about the people that are being abused in a relationship
And show me where i twisted my points?? Im still sticking to the same things i said..
From chap 59-61 - their making out started as rage induced and forceful from Seoan's side, woowon tried to stop him because he was worried Seoan's ass gonna tear, but then woowon manhandled him to stop and calmed Seoan down then they did have consensual sex... It wasn't rape, it wasn't assault, it was CONSENSUAL..
The recent chapter: woowon forcefully kissed him and they started making out , but then woowon again manhandled seoan and started having sex then seoan told him to stop because he was hurting or feeling weird but he didn't he continued.. and them again seoan told him several times but he continues anyway.. this is called rape in a relationship... Get it now??? And no way in hell this should be tolerated in any relationship...
I have been sticking to the same exact point but you keep jumping from one end to another... And then came here to say i twisted your words? And then you keep lying consistently saying i called seoan pitiful.. when was that?? I said he goes through a lot because of the circumstances he's in... You keep saying bulls crap as if the world revolves around you.. you are now making up new laws and rules for rape and shit .. like bruhhhh
you know what? iâm not even mad anymore. this is just sad at this point. the way you genuinely think you're making sense while missing the entire point over and over again is... honestly disturbing. youâve thrown insults, tried to flex your so-called law knowledge, and still managed to misunderstand basic reading comprehension.
no one said you literally used the word âpitiful.â we said you framed seoan as pitiful by going on and on about how much heâs âgoing through,â how heâs âraising a grown man,â and how heâs the one we should feel sorry for. thatâs the tone you set, even if the word wasnât there. itâs not a lie â itâs just reading between the lines. which clearly, you struggle with.
you keep shouting that ârape can only be committed by menâ like itâs some universal law, when in reality, youâve been corrected multiple times with real-world examples, legal definitions, and direct sources from actual international laws. but instead of considering those, you double down and say âgoogle itâ â while you continue to post the most outdated, dangerous garbage with your whole chest.
youâre out here quoting chapters as if we didnât all read the same thing. you yourself said the scene in 59â61 started as rage-induced and forceful. and yet, youâre the one trying to say thatâs totally fine and consensual? but suddenly in the more recent chapter, when the roles are reversed, now itâs âunacceptable and clearly rapeâ? this isn't consistency â it's bias, plain and simple. and the fact that you keep claiming you're being logical while failing to grasp your own contradictions is honestly embarrassing.
whatâs more sad is how you keep accusing me of âjumping aroundâ when iâve said the same thing this entire time: both characters have done wrong. thatâs not switching sides â thatâs holding both accountable. something you clearly can't do without exploding.
so no, iâm not making up laws, twisting anything, or lying about your words. iâm just reading what you wrote â and itâs not a good look. if this is how you interpret consent, power dynamics, and abuse while calling yourself a law student, then yeah â societyâs in trouble.
iâm done arguing with someone who clearly isnât here for discourse, just projection and ego. good luck living in that echo chamber. you'll need it.
Honestly, at this point, itâs clear this isnât just a disagreement, itâs a fundamental misunderstanding of legal definitions, power dynamics, and what accountability looks like in a complex relationship. To clarify one thing, rape is not universally defined as something only a man can commit. That claim is legally inaccurate and ethically outdated. Many countries recognize that rape can be committed by anyone, regardless of gender or sexual role. If you're going to cite legal standards, you should at least verify that your statements align with actual laws not just assumptions. Saying, âItâs the same in every country,â is not only factually wrong, itâs honestly embarrassing. My country, for one, acknowledges more inclusive and realistic definitions and itâs not âpatheticâ for doing so. As for the rest, Stewie never said Seoann deserved to be assaulted. They said both parties have done harm, and highlighting oneâs trauma doesnât erase their wrongdoing especially when that trauma is used to excuse harmful behavior. Thatâs not twisting anything; itâs simply applying accountability consistently, not selectively. If someone tells their partner to stop during intimacy and thatâs ignored, that is not okay, no matter which character does it. Thatâs the point. And if you genuinely believe otherwise, then yes, thatâs a concerning take to hold, especially if you're claiming to be a law student. In short, no oneâs twisting your words. People are reading what youâre saying and pointing out the contradictions in how you apply them.
Where are you from? As you mentioned not every country holds this as the same regard and gave your country as an example then i need to know so that i can show you what your country perceive as rape... Rape has a specific definition, anything outside that is not rape , this rule can not be charged no matter where you are from and i gave just a basic idea of the rule.. i can verify my statement through real statutory definition and rules.. because it is not my "assumption"... As im from uk under section 42 of the sexual offence act 2003 it gives the definition of rape , you can search it if you want.. under section 74 of the sexual offence act 2003 it gives the definition of consent and what constitute as consent... I can cite common law cases too but you are not gonna search and read those huge case laws i know so im just giving you the statutory citations...
Here what you guys are calling rape is completely different from how rape is perceived.. this is why lay people dont understand these facts because they are driven by emotions and the primary concept of it...
Giving consent can invalidate anything as rape.. thats exactly what woowon did by giving his consent to the previous chapters 59-61...he said no out of concern for seoan..so seoan doesn't get hurt but the he managed to calm him down and the sex finished with both of them giving green sign to sex and consent....this is why this even cannot be compared to the recent one.... so no matter what any one says even though it started forceful or not you can't hold seoan accountable for committing rape because 1, woowon gave consent so it becomes consensual and 2, woowon is the one penetrating him...
And i don't think you read all 40 comments because stew did say what seoan did was rape and he tried to justify woowon's act because i said seoan goes through a lot ... trying to justify that what woowon did is right indirectly by bringing up the previous event which wasn't even a rape though it was filled with misunderstandings is completely outrageous... I don't think people without the knowledge of what suffice as rape or not will understand the depth of this crime... So tagging someone as rapist is as serious as invalidating the crime...
Thank you for sharing the legal references from the UK Sexual Offences Act 2003. I acknowledge that statutory definitions provide an important framework, but itâs also crucial to recognize that legal definitions alone donât fully capture the complexities of consent and power dynamics, especially in nuanced interpersonal relationships. Consent is not simply a one-time âgreen lightâ that permanently invalidates any later claim of assault or coercion. Consent given under pressure, fear, or confusion especially in a context of force or emotional manipulation may not meet the standard of freely given, enthusiastic consent recognized in both law and ethics. Your explanation that Woowonâs prior consent âinvalidatesâ any claims of rape in subsequent interactions overlooks how consent must be ongoing and can be withdrawn at any time. The fact that Woowon initially said âNOâ to Seoan out of concern is a significant indicator that consent was not freely given in that moment. The circumstances you describe suggest a more complex interaction than a simple binary of âconsensualâ or ânot consensual.â Furthermore, focusing solely on the mechanics of penetration ignores that sexual assault and rape can be perpetrated by individuals regardless of gender or anatomy, and can include coercion and abuse of power, which is why the conversation about bottoms or women being rapists is relevant here. Lastly, dismissing peopleâs concerns as âemotionalâ or âlack of knowledgeâ risks oversimplifying a serious and sensitive issue. Also, it's quite embarrassing to claim that âevery country defines rape the same way,â especially given recent legal developments that directly contradict this assertion. For example, the Supreme Court of the Philippines recently ruled that genital contact is not required to prove attempted rape, broadening the legal understanding of the crime beyond mere penetration. This clearly shows that definitions of rape vary significantly across jurisdictions, and blanket statements like yours undermine the complexity of international law. Itâs important to recognize such nuances rather than make sweeping generalizations that donât hold up to scrutiny.
You still didn't mention where you are from and completely disregarded it...that says how you are trying to hide it so that I can't show you your country's provisions.. To call it a rape not only consent but court sees every other elements in it.. so its not only a matter of consent... And you didn't even read the Philippines case, the rule was about an "attempted" rape not committed rape .. you don't need genital contact for rape that's being attempted.. but to commit a rape you need proper penetration.. lol you missed out the meaning and wording of their verdict and now calling me embarrassing??? And then you said i don't understand comprehension ?? Oh please...Don't try to get smart with me because i know very well what i said prevails in every country... And its not only statutory definition they seeks out they also go through common laws but you don't know that .... I never made any general assumptions its you people that keep on making statements based on whatever seems right to you..
I swear a bunch of dumbasses read this story.. its reaching the wrong readers for some reasons...
Its 2025 and people still think it's okay to out someone like their wish doesn't matter..
It doesn't matter if other people supports you or knows you are gay, every gay person has their own conscience, if they feel out of place or uncomfortable coming out then its better not to reveal it no matter how close you are... Sometimes people just don't want to be looked at differently or in a sympathetic way just because they are different in societal standard...








Has anyone noticed they were watching themselves in the tv