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Meant upvote, sorry ;-;

No worries!

From the way I read it, it seemed more like the MC contacted the father after the waka mentions he has some feelings for the MC. In order for it not to get complicated, the MC, through the info broker, told the father and the father paid for the split up + to bribe him to stay silent about the whole ordeal. Idk thats just how I interpreted it.

I don't get why u are saying he was using itsuki. so by your logic everyone that tries to date other ppl and move on from their unrequited love are using them? lol

He hadn’t come to terms with actually getting over his desire towards his brother until Itsuki made an ultimatum. I’m not even interpreting this was just one chapter ago, that’s literally the plot. It’s even acknowledged as such he’s entirely in the wrong. It’s only rational to be offended to be chosen as someone’s backup, more so when despite all reasons that an incestuous relationship would never flourish, he still held out hope for his brother being a romantic option. Even if we took out the element of incest, if you’re unknowingly someone’s rebound that affects a relationship, as your partner isn’t fully invested in the relationship. He made a hasty decision because he felt cornered by Itsuki possibly ending the relationship. Itsuki deserves better or least the time to actually have Airi take the steps to regain Itsuki’s trust. This is a fictional plot that reduced an otherwise serious relationship hurdle to just taking the time to get a haircut to make amends. In real life Itsuki should have even walked away entirely from the relationship until Airi actually was over his brother naturally not his anxiety, loneliness, self hatred be the catalyst to reestablishing their relationship. Nothing about this is healthy.

I'm not saying it's healthy but I simply disagree with saying Airi was using Itsuki. I went through the story again and nowhere it was said that he was using him as a rebound etc. What I got from this story is that Airi knew his feelings or more like this weird attachment turned confusion was wrong and he wanted to move on. He met Itsuki who he thought he could love and truly fell in love with him and that's what happened. You can't say "be chosen as someone's backup" when the character says "i wanna move forward and take a next step". You are forcing this whole "he was a replacement" when at least imo that's not what it was at all. But I suppose we can agree to disagree

I think you may have their names wrong, Dahm is gray haired and Sunwoo is the dark haired guy. Wasn’t it Dahm who called it off so suddenly and didn’t communicate his concerns for Sunwoo’s education and life?

I wish the author would continue the story after Dahm and Sunwoo reencounter each other. I think they deserve a happy ending too :’(

I think you have their names switched

My bad guys

Preach

Ohhhh true ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Preachhhhhh!

I don't get your annoyance over this - you haven't even seen any of his supposed redemption. People enjoy redemption stories because all of us are pieces of shit too and it's nice to see people change for the better.

Everyone’s saying the second couple is more interesting because what their story is more complicated? What’s complicated about your standard rich pretty boy who’s magically a better person for falling in love?That’s literally the go to plot of every teenage girl living in a fairy tale. At the first couple actually has mental health, communication, and personal development themes that are actually representative of its readers and you can actually connect to.

There’s literally nothing wrong with that. It’s just super annoying every single plot utilizes this exact premise of toxic person falls in love and that’s literally all it takes to make them a better person. I don’t even have to read this plot to know this formula. It’s quite worrisome because this is the exact narrative that used for actual abusive relationships. If pop culture and media constantly feeds this narrative as romantic it becomes internalized and seen as aspirational. Watch any film, read any book, flip through any comic and this trope always ends the same, but it’s not even remotely true.

The first couple resolved in a refreshing way, which is why I'm not going to just jump to conclusions. I'm hoping the author will surprise me again. Also I think that if you are referring to fictional romance stories for real world relationship guidance, that's a you problem. (The "you" being general -not saying YOU specifically do this). The idea that you can fix anyone with "love" is a much deeper seated problem than just "oh I saw it in a novel", you know.

"all of us are pieces of shit", that's a really bold assumption which isn't true, some of us were raised right  ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 

Well....
For someone who dun believe that “good” person dun actually exist, I say no
I mean just becoz someone is not doing anything wrong doesn’t mean they would not do something bad in certain situation

Being good or bad ( pieces of shit ) will always be vague
For me just becoz some ppl do good things all the time doesn’t mean they will not do horrible things
We will never know

It’s like how things comes out when ppl who donates a lot to charity ends up being shitty person
It’s just the good person we know now may not have their flaws exposed yet
Or they are all long gone to check what they did

Sorry for the ted talk it’s just what I think ppl look at so shallowly
There are of course better ppl and worse ppl

Life is kinda unfair
From what u’re saying “ raised right”, it means people with bad family are going to bad people?
And even if they are not raised right, I dun think it’s right to blame ppl for that

i dont think hes a good person, but i am drawn to the second couple because of how different they are from each other. also, painter of the night made me able to tolerate assholes in an unhealthy way loool

I don't mind bad guys I mind when their redeemed through love and not held accountable for the harm they've done to others. We'll be lucky if he even says the words "i'm sorry" to his step-brother I'm sure. Most likely it'll just be an implied thing when they're not at each other's throats. Lol and that's a different level of fuckboy redemption i wont' even touch POTN because of how grossed out i am by the romanticized Stockholm Syndrome and rape but to each their own.

I fucking love you!!!! ur a queen, wish this cute suicidal boy would get another love interest but of course the good ones get the assholes that are only "good" to them only with a shitty backstory type a beat (╬￣皿￣)凸

and I adore the first couple too <3 they on sum good shit, you a got a new follower uwu!

at the end of the day you're right people are complex and contradictory. but i'm of the opinion a person should be judged by their actions within context. It doesn't excuse or condone their actions, but it allows us to possibly understand them. We do however need to stop with these narratives of because so and so happened it's to be expected that so and so action transpired. Which isn't always true. An example given our trying times is say president Thomas Jefferson, the man who helped built the United States. He's well respected for intellect and desire fort the freedom of the American people. Yet, he owned slaves, and raped and fathered children with the black half sister of his wife. Children he kept in slavery until his very death.While his hundreds of others slaves remained in servitude. We acknowledge the good he did but also the evils he contributed. He is not a hero, but was capable of heroic things, so we shouldn't praise him for doing one good deed as being enough to absolve him of his ghastly deeds. This is how we actually humanize people not rewrite narratives about them through simple explanation of their character.

i absolutely love how you put this... there really is a lot of things lacking with the way they deal with characters who've been problematic. one place ive seen it done right is in the webtoon "on or off". the ceo treated the other lead so poorly but later on owned up to the shitty things he did... but even then i forget if there was a clear apology

lol the irony of BJ Alex updates right after i make this post.

he does apologize which is why i love the plot.

lol you're too sweet.

Thanks, my memory has gone to shit but i knew that I loved that webtoon for a reason

i don't know how but somehow the responses to this were deleted?

nvm they're back. this site is so weird.

No one is perfect, which in today's world means you're a piece of shit! It was an exaggeration, don't be pressed over it!

You get it!

I dont disagree with you on the story plot thing bc they surely can be repetitive. It's quite inevitable in my opinion since there are thousands of stories out there, and when you read enough, story plots will start to look similar to each other.

I do think the whole trope "love can change people" thing is quite naive. We love to believe that love is a powerful cure that it can change an entire person. I mean, this notion might be true. Love can be the motivation for someone to change for the better, but at the same time, humans are creature of habits, and people just don't change that easily. People who have "problematic" personalities/behaviors in reality do need something more than love, it's therapy--a lot of therapy to overcome their trauma.

Another point, I feel like simply telling people to stop being an asshole won't really solve the problem. It's like telling a depressed person to stop being depressed, an obese person to stop eating, or a bully to stop bullying. They're just not gonna stop simply bc we tell them to. We gotta to find the root cause that leads to that person's depression, overeating, or bullying in order to actually solve their problem.

Going back to your opinion on fboy plot, I think the reason why people like them or "problematic" characters is bc they tend to have more depth and complicated story. It's something people might feel related to, and when they root for a bad person who turns "good," it just feels good and positive in general. I personally like to believe that people generally want to be "good." You know, most of us don't wake up every single day thinking: "Hmm, how do I hurt other people today?" This might just be me, but I often look at 2D characters as normal human beings instead of characterizing them as "good" or "bad." It just makes me feel like I can relate to them bc as humans, we are way more complicated than just "good" and "bad," and anybody, even the "good" people, can be manipulated and have the capability to turn "bad" under stressful pressure.

The fboy character we see in the webtoon didn't have the brightest childhood, so he carried his trauma/scars into adulthood by doing "bad" things to fill up his emptiness/resentment. He isn't, however, entirely heartless as we saw him saved a suicidal person and gave him money. I think this is the case with most "problematic" people in real life. People turn to alcohol, drugs, have crazy sex every night, say hurtful things, etc. not bc they truly want to, but bc they themselves have been hurt, things don't work out for them, they feel empty in life, etc. Obviously, their past trauma is NOT an excuse for them to be an asshole. However, I do sympathize with what people might have had go through before they reach to that point, and I do believe they should be given a second chance.

I kinda like flawed characters! It’s easy to relate to them cause in real life majority of people are dicks, and I won’t exclude myself from that list! Not proud of it but I’ve done dick as things in life, I own up to them and try them change! I’m far different from the good protagonists I read in these stories!

Lol yea I totally agree with it
I was just a bit annoyed at the person who said “raised right”
I just hear it a lot as an insult since I was born in a single parent family and ppl here are just more conservative and judging so I get a bit mad everytime someone say that
For the second character..hmm I dun like them more than the first couple but I just really like the cleaner company owner so I’m extra invested lol
I just hope the asshole seme really really apologize for it or the uke gets a new guy

You took it that way, "raised right" can be meant as many things. You don't have to even have parents in your life to be raised right, it could be another family member, another adult figure outside your family, or even yourself. You jumped to conclusions thinking I was talking about living a white picket fence life with two parents and a good neighborhood, which isn't the case. And I was never saying anyone was perfect, I just said not everyone is a piece of shit like that person claimed. In my definition, "raised right" means having enough human decency to be sympathetic and knowing right from wrong, which doesn't matter how you grew up, rich, poor, single parent, both parents, or none at all.

Exactly this!!

Lol well it was what I meant too
not exactly “family” just people who raise u is valid too
From my first response that’s what I meant ( maybe I didn’t specific it as much ) well I’m not blaming u or assuming ur intention in using the phrase “raised right”

I’m just saying that I might be a bit too excessively talkative or emotional due to my personal experience <- me explaining to the other person who replied to my first response and not me responding to u with the “raised right” reply

And also the phrase “raised right” literally just mean they were raised the right way by whoever ( family or guardians )to have human decency
But I think by “pieces of shit” I think the person who commented it meant it as in not being great person
I dun think she/he/they meant it as people who dun “have enough decency to be sympathetic and..”

So the first response was me arguing with the fact that being raised right even to have general human decency still doesn’t make them not “pieces of shit” ( in the way that I interpreted what the first person said )
So I still stand by my first response just becoz ppl are “raised right” by ur definition, I still dun think they are not “pieces of shit”
Hope u dun take it as me being mad lol
I just really enjoy sharing opinions online and have debates
Makes me learn more perspectives and all~

my comment was deleted. I had a lot to say but I'm too lazy to type out the whole thing again. It's also frustrating that I can't unlike a comment. Earlier I meant to dislike a comment, but I accidentally click like instead, and I can't undo it.

oh nvm, I saw my comment lol

Yoonseol literally has one of the best character developments I have seen. He was shitty before, no doubt, but he goes above and beyond for Jungsoo's sake to change himself and redeem himself.

I don’t know how you came across this three year old post, but you’re absolutely right. This post is also ironic given how the rest of the story plays out in relation to the main couple.

Your comment was one of the top most, so that's how I ended up here, lol

I can understand what you mean and where you are coming from. Tho I think the tan chara wanted to be uke, so I wouldn’t really say it’s forced. But if it’s in the implication of the authors making it like that, having him be the uke which is “forced” (idk if I would use that word tho) that I can understand your meaning. But it doesn’t mean that they have to top cuz they’re an alpha, same with an omega wanting to top and not bottom. And besides I don’t think it was decided that the tan wanted to be bottom forever, I just think he wanted to bottom then? Unless the author comes out and says it. And saying being alpha goes against that person nature and gender of being the stereotypical omega role, is kinda harsh. The basic knowledge fact may elude to that but the author has free reign to like do whatever, esp if they make their alphas the ability to be pregnant, which is not typical in other abo. And since he gave birth I think being the nuture and caregiver just came automatic, like how most mothers are when they give birth

I say forced because the dark skinned never wanted to bottom to begin with when we read their original plot. He just did because of his harpy mother in law and wanting to prove he was willing to make the marriage work. Later he became fine with it but he originally wanted to top just as much. And I’m not trying to look down on being a caregiver or being submissive that shouldn’t define a person, my issue is in yaoi it’s nothing more than male version of female wish fulfillment so unfortunately being an “uke” isn’t just a role but a personality, character motivation, etc and that role can often times dictate a character’s entire contribution to the narrative. It ends up defining them. Given it’s fictional it’s not necessarily a big deal but it reinforces stereotypes of gay/bisexual men being asked “who’s the women” in the relationship and just making a relationship that by definition not heterosexual, heteronormative.

Oh yea I totally agree with your point and that is true. In my opinion I wouldn’t say he was forced into it in the original story, like yea there was pressure but from what I remember the seme was totally fine being the uke and the mother didn’t mind, it was just the uke was Not into males and into females. Throughout the manga it was him exploring and taking into consideration of being the bottom because he was so against it at first. That psychologist def had a huge part of it. So I feel it was more like... he accepted being the uke at the end and doesn’t mind it and the seme was totally up to being the uke if the tan guy wanted to. I also disagree with often times being the uke/seme dictates a chara entire contribution, I feel like that is the case with a lot of pwp smut but with actual stories I wouldn’t say it’s true (I would say some yes tho, not gonna deny). Like there’s the plot, and then the occasional (or frequent) smut. But I feel our opinions differ in these areas.
You last sentence I totally agree 100% it does give implication of that. And honestly I wouldn’t even limit to yaoi manga it’s like in a lot of movies and shows that depicts homosexual couples, all around the world.

I knew it's gonna end like that. It's yaoi. Switching is some forbidden concept. At best author can tease you with it. And that's it.
There are always excuses. Oh he now likes bottoming and he accepted that and the "seme" wants to bottom... But now uke doesn't want to. It's laughable for me.

It's absurd that now their positions in bed are set in the stone. What does it mean he accepted being an uke. For me it's so hilarious.

I'm so tired with uke/seme dynamics in yaoi.
I also don't see alpha x alpha pairings appeal. I believed they are gonna be groundbreaking. Finally we will get hot sex scene, them fighting for "dominance", switching. But no. In the end it's the most classic seme/uke dynamic.

"uke” isn’t just a role but a personality, character motivation, etc and that role can often times dictate a character’s entire contribution to the narrative. It ends up defining them" - this. One of the biggest issues in yaoi for me. Sometimes I don't even know why I'm still reading it. For few gems?

Not gonna disagree because I agree with the whole uke/seme thing. When I meant he accepted being uke, I was actually explaining the original story because he was so against it at first but then he accepted it at the end cuz he’s done a lot of exploring. He also had a difficult time toping a male cuz.. he was into girls lol. Never said he was an uke forever, just that he accepted to be an uke sometimes (assuming then that they were gonna switch in the original story)
That’s.. what I meant not tryna imply that he accepted being an uke forever, but I can where the confusion came.

Anyway, I know a series of manga that’s really interesting and like... unique, in terms of story and art style. The first volume shows an couple that switches, so if you’d like, I suggest to go and read. It also showcases people who are top and bottom too!

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kuma_to_interi/ (shows a switch couple)

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aru_to_neri_to_sono_shuuhen/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/amato_amaro/

Oh thanks. I thought I've read everything but I don't recall these stories. I'm going to look them up definitely!

I'm just tired. Authors often tease with switching idea... But never deliver. I hoped alpha x alpha stories are going to be something refreshing... But they also fall in the stereotypies. Which is such a waste...

Honestly.. yea not gonna lie they do, which is extremely tiring so I understand the frustration! I feel that a lot in terms of tan charas or “ugly/plain charas” That’s are portrayed in a certain way which is tiring.

Tell me how you like the stories. The plot is really interesting and unique, and it’s not based on smut but there is smut. :)

Can I get the link for raw please?

https://myreadingmanga.info/koto-sato-yamashii-koino-hajimekata-jp/

It on myreadingmanga

Thanks

OMG yes! I'm like I've read this somewhere before.

And another thing, yes the rape isn't cool. But I'm glad they aren't family. Since I can't read Japanese I assumed they were brothers in this manga.

them not actually being family is the least of my issues with this plot lol. but fair enough.

Some people just don't want to jump into sex?? Or want to wait. And that's perfectly fine, it makes sense for Myunghan to want to take things slow because his last emotional relationship resulted in years long of trauma. I also have problems with the lack of interaction between the main couple but why dwell on sex? Sex does not legitimize a relationship.
Just my thoughts :)

I mean you’re right but when your twenty something and can’t even say the word “sex” in a sentence because it’s so “embarrassing” you’re practically a child.

Agreed. It would be one thing if they discussed sex and decided they were ok with not wanting to have sex yet, but the fact that seungchan actually apologized for making myeonghan misunderstand what he meant by "hotel" was weird, like are they middle schoolers???

i feel like the righter just dosint know how a mature adult gay man functions

Sounds about right, hope she'll see feedback or something and learn.