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How?

It is? Can you explain?

I'm sorry but in what way?

At almost each chapters, I can see some sexism, whether it’s subtle or not, so making a list would be too long (⊙…⊙ )
But for example, the fact that mc is shamed by the entire school for being pregnant without being married. With rumours saying the pregnancy is from a one night stand, which furthers the slut shaming.
Here the definition of slut-shaming : « the practice of criticizing people, especially women and girls, who are perceived to violate expectations of behavior and appearance regarding issues related to sexuality. »
When it happens in fiction, it’s not necessarily sexist if it is portrayed as a negative behaviour. But here it’s not exactly the case : even before the scandal, the mc thinks that the idea « teacher who is pregnant from a one night stand = enethical » is true. The unfairness of this treatment is not tackled

Oh ok, I get what your saying, thanks for pointing that out! Although I don’t think it’s the author themselves they are most likely going off of what is common in that area and culture when a female experiences pregnancy out of wedlock, and how they are treated. Which is completely different to how a male would be treated if he got a female pregnant. That idea is sexist but the author is basing it off of what is common. I know I’m wordy, sorry!

I do hope that the unfairness when it comes to pregnancy out of wedlock will somehow be addressed and handled in updates to come.

I understand the cultural reasons behind too, this is why I don’t blame the author. I believe everyone has some internalized sexism because of the way we are raised, even in western countries. It still a bit sad that we are blind to it.

I think it's supposed to be like that, it's addressing the sexism that women face. It's supposed to make you mad; "Why does her being pregnant make her a slut? Why does everyone care so much?" etc. I don't think it's trying to enforce gender norms and normalize sexism. At most, it just plays into the fantasy of having a handsome, rich, perfect man sweeping an average woman off her feet.

I agree. I think the author only wants to let the readers know the cultural norms, this also happens to a teacher I know, she got pregnant without getting married first and got fired from her job

I don’t really agree, yes the webtoon shows the sexism but doesn’t address it. It’s the readers themselves who can feel mad and then make conclusions about how problematic is the society - but the mc sees the rumour as a natural consequence of her actions. When she tells the ML that he shouldn’t have stepped in, he says that she shouldn’t have let the situation get out of hands then. Like what ??? It’s her fault if the rumor has spread now ? And she apologized as if it was the case ┗( T﹏T )┛I was ashtonished

There is something else too (and you can consider it as another example of sexism) : the ML can be nice on one hand right, but he is really bossy on the other. He pushes on her for the mariage, decides a lot of things in her stead / doesn’t let her time to decide (like 3 seconds). It can be okay when she is fine with it or when it’s for small things, but for marriage ??? Like no. I am not saying I hate him bcz it’s not the case and it is not my point : what I want to say is if the role were reversed, the girl would be seen as a rude / pushy / desperate person, and called a bitch by every reader. I know that because some fictions are like that. Basically, this fiction portrays bossy behaviours as cute (and it’s not because this is a common trope that we should be fine about it)

Sorry for the rant he he ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

For this comment- I believe a lot (not all) of girls who use this website have some sort of internalized misogyny. When you look in the comments it’s common to see ppl shit on FL because they think they could do better than them for the ML. There’s probably way more examples but I can’t think about it in this moment lol.

omfg, i totally agree. I was reading this one webtoon called "bunny and her boys" and the readers were totally bashing the FL because they really thought that if they were the female lead, they would do better, like??? Please consider miss FL's situation first before you bash her???

SO TRUE, HOW CAN I LIKE THIS COMMENT? but ye, readers be really thinking that when m*n act like assholes, they cute but when women act like that, its totally over for them, like what??? im sorry but couldn't be me. We out here being women supporting women!!!

I had a problem with him planning the wedding too but I try to give the benefit of doubt to him since it does affect him more in terms of his schedules and him not wanting to place stress on his pregnant fiance. Hopefully she gets to decide her dresses and stuff when she feels like it.

About the not addressing the issue with her pregnancy and slutshaming at school, I think the author is just being realistic and the resolution comes with us as reader. The author probably is angry with the situation too and hence use it as a source of conflict. The resolution and solution though(in a sense) comes with us as we got out in society voicing support and normalising pregnancy our of wedlock.

I dont know where you live but actually, if stuff like this happens at school, most likely the teachers will be kicked out of school. Female teachers I mean. It is so disgusting for me to see but there is nothing that could be done since they are seen as people who uphold standards and be a role model for students. Other times, they had to be married not even engaged to legitimize their pregnancy. Sure it was irresponsible to get pregnant without a plan but I think that ruining their lives ..slutshaming them isn't right either. They are human. As long as they bear a child and demand responsibility or contribution from the father, they deserve respect for raising the child alone. Plus, even if they get pregnant, none of anyone's damned business anyways. Student shouldn't know too much about teachers and teachers should keep their mouth shuts on other's coworkers business.

1) The Duke saw her resembling as Yvonne because of her hair color
2) He pity her

But as Penelope grew older her hair color started to show more as red instead of pink. And yadayayada.

Thats basically it.

Actually I read that but it didn’t make much sense to me so I though there would be another reason ╥﹏╥ ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Like it’s not like he absolutely needed a daughter

he just miss his daughter, and when Penelope didn't meet his expectations, he neglected her. Honestly, the Eckers are just a piece of shit, FR.

It’s understandable that she would cry, as she cried while apologizing. It wasn’t like she was trying to be a victim, but that she sincerely felt bad. I’ve seen teenagers cry when they sincerely felt bad because they owned up to their mistake. It would’ve been bad if she wasn’t crying, because it wouldn’t have been sincere for her type of character.

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She didn't want to marry the foriegn king just to be discarded later when he found a new woman that peeked his interest (like his current queen). I think she picked Regan because he was of the royal line so he couldn't be objected to, but his reputation is such that nobody would believe him over her. The problem is that he's obviously traumatized by his past (previous wives and nobles' treatment of him for being a bastard child) and has addiction problems . Ingrid isn't emotionally or mentally ready to handle it. The man came with serious baggage that he was more than upfront about, but she forced him into marriage anyway. Now that they are together she keeps acting like she shouldn't have to spend time together with him and try to break down those barriers. She just gets mad at him for not understanding her. He has tried multiple times to reach out and have her stay with him, but she's not getting it. He's an addict who has been surrounded by scummy and abusive people for a long time. It's going to take a lot of uncomfortable communication and serious dedication to get through it all, it can't all be on him.

Thank you for your answer, I can appreciate the story better now that I know more about her motives. The fact that they were explained way later in the story quite reduce our ability to empathize with her first.

I am a bit more advanced in the story and I agree with you that Ingrid seems to not understand the ML. I feel like she doesn’t see the full picture, of him and all his issues.

YES THIS! Finally. It's a two time effort and both of them have problems they need to work on but MAJORITY of the people here just go for Regan and shames Ingrid for it and vice-versa.

They have problems they need to work on and TALK LTOS LOTS LOTSLTOS Of talk.

thank you, completely agree.. both of them have baggage but shes not attempting to understand him at all.

just keep reading you will see how she deals with her

My only guess is her character might have been similar to Micheal’s mom. And she was the cause for his mother and sister’s death. That’s what I guess.

i mean it's fiction first of all. but if you want to get historical female 'kings' were a thing in europe because kingdoms often banned queens/empresses from ruling but not all of these kingdoms had rules against a women holding the title of king/emperor.

I mean when Hatshepsut, Nefertiti, and Cleopatra ruled Egypt and where called pharaoh not great royal wife/ female. People online even get annoyed when they are refered to as "Queens" since some even dressed and acted like men to be treated equal to there other pharaoh's. In China Wu Zetian was called emperor not empress. Jadwiga from Poland was called king. Nigeria also had a female king. The only example I can think of used the female type is that queen Victoria is called queen instead of king. I somewhat think it makes sense since I think of it as a female that becomes our president would be president not first lady. Oh also, some religions call females in high positions priests instead of priestess cause of the power dynamic each stereotypically has.I think the male term comes with the prestige and many women in the past ( Cleo as an example) wanted to fight against sexism and be treated 100% as there male counterparts. So if someone from far far away here hi queen so and so they might not realize she is the main figure head. The male term some what solidified it.

Your answer is interesting. When I referred to past European ruler, I was thinking of the United Kingdom queens (since there were several) or the Empress Catherine II from Russia. These are the most well known European female rulers outside of Europe. Since they existed, a webcomic artist willing to be accurate would most likely take inspiration from these rulers and not the one from their own continent.
I know from my experience that in the Korean and Chinese webcomics with the European-inspired Monarchy, there are some cultural inaccuracies : basically it happens when the author thinks that a tradition / concept in Asia necessarily exists in the Westen world. For example, the position of « concubines » which was not a thing in European monarchies (it disappeared during the early middle age).
Therefore, I assume that the choice of the word « emperor » in this webcomic is more of a cultural projection / innacurancy. From my understanding, no well known south-east female ruler could keep the title of queen or empress for them to rule. So, the author would think that it works the same way in other countries.

I mean it takes time to conquer a whole continent. I believe Pauliana joined the conquest 2 years after its beginning, the river arc took 1-2 years and the rest is hinted at when taking over other countries.