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A woman needs a link.

I read them on Lezhin.

Oh oh. Okay~ thanks

Let's not make him out to be a saint either. He might not have physically bullied Yeonduk, but he's said and done some incredibly terrible things to Yeonduk.

But yeah, I agree. The author/artist is really great at showing that memories and beliefs are not always reliable. Everything can change with a small change in perspective.

Thats why I said "that bad". I mean, he wasn't nice to him, but he once you see it from Skylars perspective you can see why he acted how he did and why he wouldn't think he was being unfair. He invited him along to hang out just to send pics to his mom, but from his perspective Yeonduk was just using him for money anyway so if any of us was in that situation I can't say we'd feel bad about it. He also never let anyone bully him. But he was harsh with him. But honestly, they were kind of as harsh to one another as any brothers might be, or any really close friends. They both caused each other to suffer a lot without even knowing it....its really sad. But yes! I find what the author is exploring here super interesting! I try to see how different I and my actions may seem to other people to understand conflict. A lot of times when friends get in fights we don't realize how the other side saw the situation at all and its easier to forgive when you stop looking at a situation as the other person knowing how you felt and aiming to hurt you. I also liked looking at how things we remember might actually be really different from the reality of the situation. Really cool stuff here.

Um actually no. Skyler knew what a beep his mother was but he still chose to blame Yeongduk rather than his mother. While he may have still wanted his mother's love and that's why he pushed the blame onto Yeonduk, he DID hurt Yeonduk KNOWINGLY. So not feeling bad about how he treated Yeonduk is shitty. If he doesn't feel shitty, just as Yeonduk did, I can't stand the thought of them being together.

Are you crazy? His mom was LYING to him. He still doesn't know his mom was lying. She would tell him that Yeonduk said he did this or that. So he though Yeonduk was telling his mom stuff about him to get him in trouble and to get money from his mom. He knows his mom sucks be he didn't and still doesn't know she has been lying about Yeonduk all this time. She has purposefully put Skyler under the impression that Yeonduk has been ratting him out when Yeonduk actually hasn't been telling on him at all. She is manipulating him. He literally thought the boy he liked was telling his mom he was acting up so that she would punish him and then give his stuff away to Yeonduk/pay him. So really, he hasn't known the truth at all and has been being rude to Yeonduk because he thought Yeonduk was a backstabber that was betraying him for money even though he clearly never loved anyone more than Yeonduk. They BOTH had their heart broken by misunderstandings the mom made. Also, from Skylers perspective the stuff Yeonduk was doing was just as bad.

I've been suspicious of Mrs. Seo from the beginning. Like, why did she make Yeonduk and his mom do those things that she supposedly does on her own since she's Skyler's mom?

The plot is intriguing. Because I thought Skyler is the bad guy too. But again, it's necessary for us to read further to see that it's due to Mrs. Seo's manipulation.

The reason why Skyler still despised and blamed Yeonduk, though he has always known how fucked up his mom is, is because back when both of them are still little kids, Yeonduk wouldn't want to let Skyler go when Mrs. Seo was about to bring Skyler to Skyler's father.

To be honest I kind of misjudged this manhwa before I tried to read more chapters and now I know why many people are into it and I'm addicted to it hahaha

Dude saaaame. I was thinking it didn’t look interesting and that I didn’t really like the art...but now I’m absolutely hooked. I went and bought ch 27 on English lezhin....and then a couple of the Korean chapters even though I don’t know Korean...I just wanted to see what was going to happen so badly!!

I felt kinda desperate to see what's going on the next chapters as well. Like, based on the snippets I've seen on instagram, chapter 30s seem more interesting. However, since I'm still a broke uni student, I can't afford buying coins on Lezhin. What's more than that: while I can read Korean, I don't understand the meaning hahahaha so yeah I'm gonna wait for the next update here. I hope they won't drop this awesome manhwa.

Yeah. Love those freckles. But he also did something wrong and should apologize. :(

I mean Misora was insensitive...but Misora was assaulted and Tasuku BLAMED them for their assault. I wouldn't be sorry for how that would make me react either if somebody I trusted brushed off my abuse. Misora is a child who just experienced their first time being taken advantage of by a stranger and Tasuku acted like it was a good thing because he didnt understand. Imagine being scared to be yourself as a child with gender disphoria, then FINALLY being able to be in public in an appearance you feel right in...and you're immediately taken advantage of/sexually touched by an adult (and the fear and guilt and disgust that goes along with that) and now you have to wonder whether or not becoming your true self will be too scary or dangerous (trans women experience the most violence and highest death rate of any in the lgbt community and are often victims of assault) I think the point is that Misora's actions were practically nothing compared to Tasuku's and Tasuku is aware of that and doesnt feel that he needs an apology.

Misora assaulted Tasuku and outed him in front of a bunch of people while he was still fully closeted. In public. THAT is as bad an assault as having your butt grabbed. To be hit and then your homosexuality outed to strangers--sorry, but that was a doubly shitty response. BOTH of them had to apologize to the other. BOTH. I'm hoping Misora eventually is as humble and mature as Tasuku is being.

It is not confirmed that anyone heard Misora and it was said as an insult so people heard it as such and not Misora actually saying outing him as gay. Instead people saw a little Japanese girl hurling whatever insults she could think of. Misora in this instance just looked like a woman blowing up at some other kid and the author clearly portrays that that was how the crowd viewed it. It was clearly very scary and traumatic for Tasuku at the time but no, being called gay in public around strangers as an insult instead of as literally outing them is not equal to a child being sexually assaulted by an adult...You also need to analyze the level of trauma each felt. Tasuku's fears after that moment didnt really surround him potentially being outed as gay, they were more existential. He didnt portray that it was a particularly long lasting trauma, but for Misora its not a big part of what they choose moving forward. Misora seems to have withdrawn from society and was basically run out of their safe space by Tasuku's presence there after what he did to make that place no longer safe for Misora. Also you have to think of the culture. Japan is still very conservative in its female and male roles and women slapping men they feel cheated by is considered acceptable in their society. Im not disagreeing that Misora shouldn't have hit or called him gay but you have to look at how each character feels. Ultimately it wasn't a traumatic experience for Tasuku so he is over it without needing or WANTING an apology.

If someone is screaming in a crowded public event that another person is gay while whacking the crap out of them, assume they heard and it was painful. Also, if someone related to him or from their school had been there, his school life would have become a hell of bullying, possibly. So, yes, when you scream out in the middle of a crowd that X is a homo, that's outing.

And not that I"m not asking them to hate each other. I want them to work it out and understand each other better. I'm saying that when people do things they ought not, they should apologize and make amends. Tasuku has had the humility and insight to do that. Misora needs to do the same. No one has a right to beat another person--even if they are pissed off at what was said. I don't have the right to out or beat someone, period, no matter if they call me a bitch or a fag or whatever. I have the right to be angry, to yell even (not to out), and to end the relationship. I do not have the right to assault and decloset someone for making a boneheaded, thoughtless statement that had no real malice. Tasuku never MEANT ill, he was just thougthless. I do take into account malice versus ignorance. Tasuku was ignorant. He was not intentionally cruel.

I mean, I agree with you personally. In real life what you're saying is definitely my policy. I think I was trying to view this from the perspectives of the characters. I think it would be ideal in the real world to apologize to your friends when you get in a fight, no matter what went down its always best if both just apologize to show they care. But, in this case I was also trying to take personality into account and other real life instances. For example, between friends, when there is love and care there, apologies aren't always necessary to know a person is sorry or for you to forgive them. Yes its a nice thing to do, but its not necessary for some friendship dynamics. I guess in this case I was trying to look at it from that perspective. I've definitely had friends who show they care in different ways. Some are really upfront and have a more gentle/vulnerable personality and they tend to be verbally apologetic and apologize through actions-- like getting you something or doing something for you. But there are also friends who are more...closed off, like Misora. From the time we met Misora we've seen that their personality is more...not a bully, but tough love, strong headed, stubborn, but sweet deep down. The smile that Misora gives in the moment they say they aren't going to apologize says a lot to me. Its accepting Tasuku's apology...but to me I see it as a strong willed stubborn person. There are lots of good people that are like that. Some people are very liberal with their apologize to express themselves, and apologize about everything "sorry to bother you, sorry for interrupting but..." etc (they just apologize a lot). Then other friends just see it that apologies aren't as necessary to properly end or resolve conflict. I mean, me and my siblings fight all the time and sometimes we never apologize but then go hang out as a way of saying its all okay, or sometimes one apologizes and the other accepts it and then does something with us and thats just kind of how the fight is resolved. What I mean to say is, I don't think that they way they resolved their fight is bad. I think there is love and understanding there so the words "I'm sorry too" just aren't necessary, especially taking Misora's tough act. I just wanted to hopefully convey that there are different ways of resolving a fight in a meaningful way that don't have to include the words "I'm sorry" and that this kind of resolution seems a lot more fitting to Misora as well as Tasuku's personality.

I was wrong to try to explain this the way I did earlier where I tried to express this by saying what happened with Tasuku was less just because I know the overwhelming helplessness/fear/anger one can feel when something like what happened to Misora happens, and I can't imagine how I would react if my friend were to make a comment like that even out of ignorance...because sometimes ignorance of such big issues is difficult to forgive or excuse when you're hurting. But ultimately, I meant that the way they made up was just very suited to their personalities and I think it was a pretty healthy apology between them that really reflected real life.

BTW, I also agree that sometimes, you apologize and don't demand/expect a mutual apology, you just let it go cause you recognize your own issue in the matter and it's not worth upsetting the person anymore. At least, if you care about them, and Tasuku clearly cares about Misora and, though he's being kinda stubborn, Misora does care. I'd like them to be all sweet together, cause at base, they understand their lot is harder and they should be allies, not at odds.

I will add this has been a super wonderful manga. Characters, story, and the magnificent artwork. This is such a talented mangaka, that I sometimes am amazed at the imaginative way they offer us deep and hard to define moments and feelings. Really beautiful. Deserves A LOT more love.

I agree, I am absolutely obsessed with this manga. Its one of the most thoughtful and considerate narratives, along with diverse characters, beautiful drawings, and writing that is just filled with love. There really is nothing else like it out there, especially in terms of lgbt centered manga. I have so much respect for the writer and wish this series would blow up because it deserves so much love and attention