Lushia's Topics (1228)

I'd say we just evolved from imaginary scenarios to the harsh reality

I want him to still have a spotlight on him. I want him to be spoiled and be her partner in crime and be the protective little brother and to learn magic with her and they having Adventures together. That's all I need in this story. That's all I'm satisfied with. I don't care if she ends up with anybody or whatever the pink hair chick is doing cuz who cares pink hair chicks are all psychos. I just want them to have wholesome fun moments. I'm satisfied with that I'm not complicated

I agree I agree but I kinda wamt to see them end up together lol(I mean fl amd ml...not her and her brother)

Oh phew, you scared me for a second there.

Navier tried to help her but she only shows her arrogant behaviour towards navier thinking that she have the upper hand because sovieshu favors her towards navier

Please she was a dumb slave that only saw worst in nobles bc she was a slave. If your parents are abusing you and you only see that, you will logical assume it's that way for everyone even if you are out of that place. She wanted his favor bc she didn't want to end up at the same place she was and I understand that(I wouldn't want that either, if I was in her place). She saw everything through the diffrent lance than Navier, some that looks so perfect in her eyes ofc she would think she has upper hand and tbh she has. Navier comes from the golden spoon household plus Diamond on bc she was promised crown since birth. We know it's not all sunshine and rainbows but try to explain that to the slave that thinks it's perfect life. You can try but everything will go over her head

Telling Rashta that Nobles like Navier aren't prefect is like telling a kid that thier time in the school is better than work

I'm sorry for answering so much but I'm trying to explain it in the way I see it and I came with new ideas how to explain it better I think.
I think it's natural for her to get greedy, even normal person, well atleast I hav same problem, while playing a game I got really powerful and cocky and I kinda abused that power.
People like Navier and other people that were born with that power and wealth are different breed bc they had responsible adults to tell them how to act and behave but a person like rashta that grow up as a slave didn't have that luxury. Since young she wanted that wealth and power(well atleast normal life) that noble had and when she got it, she lost herself with power and was too scared to lose it(funny enough she lost it bc of that) and there was no one to stop her. There was sovieshu but he didn't care about her, maids are lower class than her now and they can't say no. Other people around her used her for thier benefits so she didn't have anyone to correct her but like I said she got in the end what she dervered. She had sad upbringing but that's not excuse for ruining people's lifes

I think it's perfectly normal to try and sympathize with Rashta, in the beginning of the story I felt the same way as you (now I'm just jaded that the plot is so basic, fight me). She is a slave, someone who's looked down upon, from the very bottom of the hierarchy - that's a sympathetic position by itself.
Anyone would want an underdog to change for the better, it's just that this author chose her to be a rotten mut instead of taking the opportunity and write something with more nuance.

The thing is Rashta had opportunities to change around. Lots of people that had her back but we never saw any of it blossom since she never trust anyone and always unintentionally see herself as victim aka everyone is against her mindset mode. Where every criticism is misinterpreted as "they hate me that's why they say I'm doing bad thus their words are invalid." Navier altho unwilling tried a handful of time and begrudgingly tried to stop Rashta get accustomed in court but both Rashta and Sovieshu took that as Navier bullyng and undermining Rashta. Lots of warning she ignored... NO ONE managed to convince Rashta of othermise. Emperor is trash but he did offer her a hand and had her back but he was ignored (author should have thrown him under the bus too. The unresponsible douche. That let Rashta, a completely uneducated and ignorant of court matters, no offence intended, loose with the empress title and power.). Later on Rashta being an empress, her win over Navier and Duke Edgy support got over head and she straightout imitated the horrible people who treated her bad when she was a slave and thought she could deal with everything by herself.

Just like in irl, no matter how much you knock at someone's door to offer help, if it remains close there's nothing you can do.

I tot agree she's is a victim and tot innocent prior the story and when she was a slave. I also think she deserve all the affection and spoiling she received. Heck, I even admit and applaud her misdeeds if it's for her and her kid's survival sake. It's fair game imo. Everyone in this story is freaking sneaky with ulterior motives ready to throw everyone under the bus. BUT I cannot agree that she remains so when she ill intentionally took the initiative to harm others for entertainment. Or do it out of pure paranoia. Having an empress who kill and torture people bc of delusions and entertainment is terrible. Absolutely terrible. A menace to everyone. I actually also think it's fair that Gloriem was taken away from her bc I'm sorry but her paranoia and delusion is dangerous for her kid. . It just wouldn't make any sense to call her innocent.

Honestly I wouldn't get angry at the author or critized their writing. It's trash and dirty tactic but, it gets good result and the job done in terms of keeping the readers' engagement constant. Just think of the hateful Prince and Cersei from GoT or Reality shows that intentionally keep the most hated player till the finale. It's dirty but works. It's trashy but they did a great job writing Rashta as well even as a villain and scapegoat. She's a super gray character and her misdeeds are logical and make absolute sense in relation to both her background, ptsd/trauma (all its consequences), the circumstance and people she is surrounded. Written well enough that despite her horrible action people can sympathize.

If Rashta was written the way you wanted. Basically get the "villainess isekai treatment". Her story would be just any other underdog story of poor girl gets her justice and the happy ending she deserve. Which is fine and lovely but, objectively blatant, plain and unoriginal since the inflation of such trope in the webtoon and WebNovel. Not for good reasons but the way the author wrote Rashta allowed her to very unique and different from all the rivals we see often in webtoon romance stories with royals and noble girls.

Bruh... Navier helped her so much that she gave her husband away. I don't know what more you need from her.

Like I feel sorry for her since she was a slave a victim of the Eastern Empire slavery policy wich was absolutely trash and tyrannical. Like imaging finding out you are now a slave because a cousin you don't know or ever saw stole a pencil? It's pure injustice. I'm disgusted that a similar punishment logic (minus slavery) is still used in some countries irl.

It's pitiful that the happiest day of her life lasted a year. That she is left with the notion that her kids are all going to be slave like her bc of what she has done. She became what she hated her father for. She tasted freedom and lost asap and was told "hey you'll spend the rest of your life in this small dirty cell with your hallucinations and insanity".

But at the same time, I can't be delusional enough to say what she got is not a direct consequence of her predisposition, wrong choices and bad influences.

She maybe a terribly written character but never the less an interesting one that leaves the reader conflicting feelings of happiness bc justice triumph since she did harm lots of people but it's not a full happiness and joy due to her very sympathetic background. If this can comfort your anger as Rashta fan, imagine that after her death she is reincarnated or turned back time like all the villainess story or is living the happy and fullfilling life every human should have ^^

Tbh I think being a slave, and having no power then immediately being thrust into a position of power where everyone would essentially kiss the ground you walk on is what doomed her from the start. She wasn't born into that life and her mentality/thought process was never going to change so quickly especially after Navier left. I agree that it's normal to feel sorry for her, and part of the blame goes on shoeshoe or whatever the kings name is, because having a slave be queen was a problem from the start. Cutting her some slack from the start was a given due to her roots, but after some time when she had the chance to take the advice of those around her (aka Navier) and never did, it's only a matter of time till that pitifulness you feel for her goes away. But still, the blame lies with her and the king. That's just what I think though

*inhales*
I don't want the villainess isekai treatment, I simply expected her to be a bit more nuanced in character esp if she was meant to make it this long. A villain with layers instead of a vain person who in the end has nothing to say.
Sure, she doesn't have to be nuanced but if you're gonna stretch out a manhwa for this long, try adding some more points of interest at least. Before the main event, the divorce, I was pretty invested in the story and thought Rashta's villainy made sense. I saw the points you were making about her personality, BUT after that it just becomes this pathetic play where you're supposed to point and laugh at her downward spiral which is so boring. It's cathartic to see her lose this hard at first, but then the story keeps showing that again and again, and it's like we get it, so what now?
At that point even if she's a well-written asshole, her whole existence as a character boils down to this one bit where she just keeps taking the L so you can feel good for Navier.

GoT had much more going on than Cersei and her demon of a son, they were part of a greater net of characters and events much more complex than this manhwa. Here the story starts and ends with Navier and her problems who mainly are Sovieshu and Rashta - so why is it that Sovieshu can yearn, regret, be romantized in a way, and have nuance while Rashta burns like a witch? Sure, she deserved it, makes sense for her arc and so on but from a narrative pov it's disappointing, boring, at least it was for me.

It's ok to have that type of set-up and characters, but the god damn length of the whole thing is starting to make it more and more obvious that there's not much going on in the story department besides: 1. Navier good, happy end, 2. Rashta bad, bad end. If after 200 chapters the story boils down to this kind of black and white narrative, that's hella mid.
But that's just my opinion.

Disclaimer: I am in fact not defending Rashta and her actions, please shoot me for something else.

You were able to articulate my thoughts so well. I think people tend to over look Rashtas background, they hate her more than Sovieshu who mind you, didn’t even console with Navier that he was bringing in another woman (Navier knew it was bound to happen because it was common for emperors to have multiple wives) and not just a random woman but a girl who couldn’t even read and was very naive someone who was very impressionable. She was slave who ran away from an abusive household that treated her like dirt, psychologically tortured her by making her think her infant had died. Not to mention psychologically abused her too, she had no one.

And when she meets someone who she views as a savior, aka Sovieshu, instead of talking to her and helping her out of the with everything going on at the time, he just views her as a standin babymaker to be his heir because he believed Navier might’ve been the infertile one. (Which again he never tells Navier) And views himself as a some hero to boost his ego for saving Rashta.

I am seeing a lot people bring up how Naiver tried to help her and Rashta didn’t allow it, but looking into her pov, I can understand why, like I said before, she was alone for her entire life. Her bio father sold her, the people who own her don’t treat her like human, help finally came from the Emperor. She was very uneducated on how nobility works and just assumed that her marrying the emperor while his having a wife was the norm in royalty which she isn’t entirely wrong to assume so because once again she was a slave who wasn’t taught these things. Naiver was very hostile towards because Rashta wasn’t educated on how to be appropriate and assumed Naiver would accept her for no reason, like when they both meet each other for the first time.

TLDR: This is all Sovieshus fault and he sucks.

I totally agree with you on that

I agree 100% but I still have pity for her. I have none for Sovieshu but for her I do, mostly things turned out in the way that they did bc of Sovieshu repeating what his father did even though he promised himself he wouldn't be like that. It is expected to bring a concubine after sometime in that Era and that's find but the problem started when he bring in first a slave and second when he started to show favor towards her thous ruining Navier imagine as a Empress(his wife and his lover) and that didn't sit well with Navier but Sovieshu taught she can read his mind I geuss bc he didn't explain her that plan he had

Yea I totally believe she's 100% a victim of Shovieshu's stupid plans. If he would have bothered to elaborate and wasn't stupid, none of this would have happened

Help!?!?!? Girl was snobby from the beginning, also it's hard to admire somebody who had the power to abolish slavery but didn't. Sorry but never or navy girl is canceled. I don't admire any heroine that sees slaves and think, oh well not my business even though it is directly your business. Girl, if this was seen through the perspective of the slave, you'd be like rooting to bring about a rebellion. Say that it was not within her power, think about all those people who fought against slavery that didn't have the power position that she had that still made a difference. Navy is a coward and she should have known better and and slavery! No hero is a hero if they do not end slavery if they had the power to! Even rebel against it or speak against it to the point where makes a difference! I'm sorry you're saying things through the Royal perspective but it feels like class brainwashing. We're royal family is makes you think, anybody that tries to step up must be the villain. Instead of saying, a class system is where the rich push down the poor. This is just a piece of work that's trying to brainwash you into thinking that royalty has a point

You know, I’m surprised no one really acknowledges the slavery part. I get it’s used for plot purposes (even if it’s a really odd plot choice (¬､¬)) and Rashta needed a tragic backstory. I’m too lazy to go back and reread it but Naiver said how she can be forgiven and not be a slave or something but ran away so she wouldn’t be deemed qualified (which mind you she ran way from an abusive household) and runaway slaves get punished. It’s just so weird… And now that Rashta is being punished for the crimes she’s committed, the empire seems more upset that she’s a slave proceeding to call her vile things. If it was for the crimes she’s committed then thats understandable, but again they’re mad at her for being a slave something she had no control over bc of her pos father. like I have no words on how to express how weird the slavery part is.

A lot of shoujo fantasy stories tend to ignore those kinda social issues if you think about it. Whole wars, slavery and what not are going on but the MCs rarely bother with it bc either it's taken for granted or it's simply too much for what the plot is wanting to tackle.
Fighting against those things is a whole undertaking after all, something which millions of people even in rl have let be, because in the end they have enough on their plate already or simply have no say in the matter.

We could come up with the same excuse for Navier, but she is and was a literal Empress, which removes this lack of influence, which is where it's easy to get mad at her (and Sovieshu anyway).

And this is where again I berate the plot and especially the length of the story bc why ffs do we have to see the bad guys be constantly skewered and grilled like bbq when it could've been spent with tackling this honestly much more intriuging issue that COULD'VE built on both Navier's and Rashta's character?

Navier had to be either a saint or dumb to still care for rashta when her very own husband brought a girl home and cared for her. Which wife would have a heart like that. I know I won't. Still, she did her best. And for rashta I would say " Your emotions are justified but your actions are not". She could control herself if she wanted to but she let greed and jealousy overcome her. (ŏ﹏ŏ)

Let me ask this, as someone who watched Queen Charlotte & Bridgerton. What if, they decided to make this a movie? Will it go over well, that a QUEEN who had power to stop slavery, didn't? In the , OUR OWN PRESIDENT, Thomas Jefferson was 40 when he took a 14yo SLAVE girl & had 6 kids with her & his WIFE looked the other way & was said punish her. Was Mrs. Jefferson the victim here? Or a 14YO SLAVE? As someone whose seen the veil of romantisizing our forefather fall, I know this is incredibly wrong & he wasn't a hero & Sally Hemmings (that was her name) wasn't a SEDUCTRESS & despite Jefferson taking her to Europe as his wife (yeah he did that) he broke his promise to her & did not free his OWN KIDS from slavery. Was she conniving on Jefferson for her children's freedom? If I gave you the bases & said, A powerful man took a slave as his mistress while his wife looked the other way, we'd be looney to root for the wife. We'd be mad at her for not cutting off his balls! Navy isn't some dumb southern Belle wife nor powerless. But nah... she was like oh well... guess I'll low-key ignore this & act catty to this girl who wants to bey friend cause of all the trauma she'd been thru and not know better.
Sorry but how are we not supposed to feel like we're not being brain-washed to accept a slave based class system & root for a Queen that only decided to change the establishment when it directly effected JUST HER???? HUH????

I'm glad that you are saying this and thinking, yeah this is a very wrong system and I'm not going to blame the woman who's trying to escape slavery. I heard that in North Korea that if one person does something wrong, the entire family is punished. Why is there a system in place in this country where a baby is punished for her parents crimes? Okay I understand if the parents go to prison and maybe in this archaic crazy world, they would be enslaved but why the children? Why hurt a baby and put their in Chains and do they not realize what happens to pretty little girls that are treated like property? Am I supposed to root for somebody that could have stopped these atrocities but decided to just shrug it off and run off. I'm so glad I'm not the only one. But the thing that bothers me the most is that when she shook the establishment to get the divorce, it shows that she was clever and knowledgeable and knew the rules and the laws and was able to play the political system like a stradivares violin. But she only did that for her divorce and not to end an inhumane system. The most powerful woman in the country, decides to take action only when it only concerned herself. Am I supposed to root for her?

I 100% agree. The one thing that made it hard for me to brush off the slavery part is that it gets brought up so much because it’s essentially a plot point to a point where it’s hard to ignore. People of the empire needed another reason to dislike rashta and only adding another layer of her trauma as if she wasn’t already doing something bad that would’ve had consequences even if she wasn’t a slave or not.

I wouldn’t have minded as much if she dealt with the consequences of her actions and they still kept her identity of being a slave a secret from the public so at least she could be judged fairly.

It was also weird that Naiver befriended the girl (I forgot her name) who used to abuse Rashta when she was her slave even allowing her to call her “sister” which is something she knew Rashta wanted to call her. Like that’s really f’ed up seeing someone you admire hanging out with your abuser, and they don’t deal with any consequences for how they treated you. Because from what I remembered, she was part of Naivers circle before the divorce.

Yeah, and I’m seeing a lot of comments saying that Naiver tried to help Rashta but it’s been a real long time since I’ve reread this but I can’t think of any time Naiver attempted to help Rashta besides “giving” her husband to her as if that was something . I feel like getting her out of slavery would’ve been more helpful. Even the emperor didn’t do anything to help except hide her documents about her background. Again I’m not really sure exactly why slavery isn’t something the literal emperor, someone who should have the highest power, to abolish it? The story never really goes that into why slavery is necessary, is it just pure prejudice, or is the economy going to collapse without it? Idk I can only guess.

I understand having pity for Rashta and having none towards Sovieshu. Voz this guy sovieshu had it all (except for his sperm) and managed to lose most of the things he had, what a laughable tragedy. This guy is in the highest position compared to Rashta who has no power. (P.S I pity the Rashta before she met Sovieshu)

Now that ypu say this, this manhwa now feels like some Royalty propaganda lmao. Anyways, I like how Navier is flawed. Anyways, well, she's matchy Henry's freak lmao. Remeber when he took the magicians' power as a political move lmao. And the fact that Navier is readry to keep her mouth shut. True royalty indeed.

I don’t think she’s turning him straight, I think he might be pansexual

Lol yea that's also an option but it would be funny(but not possible in reality, you can't just turn magically gay or straight) that she did

But Gyunwoo seems to still have her mom?
Isn't the tiger her biological mom?

Dunno but I don't mind being a side bitch either

LMAO

Same. I'm content to just go with the flow and if it's meant to be then it is, if it's not then oh well I don't dwell on it much and life goes on. I don't think it is a laziness aspect just a mindset thing. I still work hard (work, school, volunteer, observation hours) I just simply don't care.

Same, i have no want or wish in life

Yea

Why would the jester be the boy from the flashback?

I'm not sure but I just feel like he would be. Him not treating her like a witch after she yelled to the kid that's she's not also eyes ig