I feel like the chemistry is smaller. Lack of love is one thing but I sense lack of this nice tension... And besides, I'm a little lost (￣∇￣") Don't hate me, I just feel like that, not like I diss the story.
most likely the translation from Tapas
...is some real deal. People having such strong feelings about it... (≧∀≦)
Now I'm relived to see less hate for Seungho in the comment section, so it means the haters left for more morally correct stories. I'm so happy. I just want to enjoy this story and to read normal comments afterwards.
I personalny analize it a lot and don't want people to go and throw shit at me like 'how I can justify the lord' or something.
At this moment of the story I start to notice how nice it is when Na Kyum shows Seungho some affection, gets turned on by him etc. and then Sengho acts all soft and gets so exctited by it ^^
Read bebebisous33 theories about Seungho! It's really worth it!
(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ its ok even if they hate Seungho i find him and Namkyun together so interesting i mean if love isnt supposed to make you a better person i dont know what can ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
That's the point ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
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Psychopath in a dictionary definition is a little different than our lord. You may call someone like Joker a classical psycho. But Seungho is simply a brutal man who demands obedience from his subjects. He wants to mostly follow his desires but he's not heartless and he reflects on his actions, example after raping Na Kyum. He then stopped harrasing him after the fever. And he doesn't enjoy hurting anyone.
The way he finds himself in society is even quite admirable, I mean he's honest about himself, he doesn't hide the things he does and he genuinely doesn't give a fuck what others think about him or his actions. I guess we all should act alike to some extent. A psycho has the ability to act and be sometimes so sweet you may even love him, which he only does to achive his goals.
But if someone would really like to call him a psycho than I'm asking - Do people call that a man who beats and rapes his wife reguarly, additionally, often hurting his kid(s), while being under effect of alcohol in many cases and having no reasons for that all? Isn't that a bigger degeneration? (Present even in our modern times!) Yet still it exists and no one sends those people to hospital with mental issues.
Everybody so eagerly calls this character a psycho but in real life no one really calls actual psychopaths by that name. I know and have heard about a few people who I'd fear much more than Seungho. He has his rules and if you obey them, you're likely safe. Unlike actual freaking scary, unpredictible pschyos in whose heads might appear the maddest of ideas and you don't know when and how. So reflect on our reality when using such words.
i tried reading this story before i realized what direction the story was going in (i.e. rapist ""love interest"") so i stopped reading, but not before checking the comments...omg
disregarding all this random stuff about him being or not being "psycho" since it's not that important to me to differentiate it here ...with all due respect, idk why you're going to such lengths and trying to defend a character who is abusive and a rapist. he is not redeemable.
"he's not heartless and he reflects on his actions, example after raping Na Kyum" you can't say he is "not heartless" after stating the fact he literally raped someone. doing that once is all it takes for it to make him a terrible human being. believe it or not, raping someone does indeed make you heartless and a person who does not truly care how other people feel.
I think it's worth reading (at least for me since i'm a whore for this artstyle not the plot itself) also um raping someone doesn't really make you hearthless -as in lack of empathy- it does make you a "bad" person but it doesn't really mean that you can't take care of others close to you and empathize with other people. But i do agree in the fact that at this point Seungho isn't a redeemable and the fact that he's a terrible human being
Cant you let others enjoy in peace .......If you stopped reading with all the respect you cant judge the situation the right way, we all agree the rape was horrible, it is what it is ,what i dont like is that everyone wants to judge other readers who may like Seungho since they may have seen a change, we are talking about a vicious lord ,we arent talking about a saint .....and these posts make people go to great lengths to protect their view if you cant cope with the rape leave it and let others who can read and like the heartless characters ....i still respect your opinion
@vampirejuicebox
I don't judge people that easily, especially when they try to change. And heartless he would be if he did it with no reflection, just wanting to hurt him. I am surprised how judgemental all the people here are. Especially since it's a fictional story.
But if'd be labeling people easily like that in real life I'd be left alone with no human beings around me. I try to think about it deeper cuz a person is a complex equation of thousands of factors, it's not always that you intend to do things, you sometimes just do them because in the moment you have the impulse and then later starts judging.
And I just don't want people to call him a psycho, cuz in medcial terms he is not and that's what I was proving. I did write he is brutal and demands descipline, you can him call a bad person. Notice that some have more or less such fathers for example and maybe wouldn't exactly be happy to hear they're teribble people.
Be more careful in labeling everything, life is a bit more complicated. If you think there are things that could not be redeemed than your life must by really sad, even God lets people redeem themseves.
If this story is too morally unright for you, go read easy, morally correct stories.
I wonder why people think that Seungho is such a bad person.
He is indeed quite brutal and he needs things to be his way but he didn't intend to do anything to Na-Kyum for quite a bit of time, he just wanted paintings. And he's really blunt in many cases, he doesn't particurarly care what other people think.
Then only later his unexpected desires won, when he saw the boy drunk like hell and decided to use it. Well, it's not very nice to do it, sure, but he was quite gentle and our little boy wasn't really hurt by him. (I myself know the power of alcohol too well in making not very wise sexual decisions (￣∇￣") I feel the uke)
Later on, he did actually rape NaKyum, as he was very angry about something, if I remember correctly. But he at least stopped himself, seeing how he hurts him. It didn't turn him on to see someone in pain under him, so that is a good sign about his personality.
I know it's kinda exculpating the guy but I just can't seem to hate him. He's lost in his own feelings and he definietely doesn't want anything bad to happen to the uke, he just wants the boy to fulfil his wishes and when he doesn't he naturally feels the need to punish him.
Moreover, seeing the lord's weaker side, when the brother appeared, made both me and Na-Kyum, apparently, notice his humanity more. I know I'm exposed to hatred right now, but whatever. That's what I think.
This man killed a person in front of nakyum when he refused to paint for him
if you reread it, the situation was a bit different. Yes, he, the lord, killed a person, but only after nakyum said he is not 'nakyum the painter', that made Seungho question if the man/servant was lying about finding the right person. And lying to the master is not appreciated.
I think so too in his inside he has some good we see that more often now.
His whole behavior is coming from his upbringing and status.
Good reason for killing
I wonder why people think inhun is a bad person, he didn't intend to do anything to Nakyum, he just wanted information
sure is. For master/servant relationship in older times
he didn't do anything bad yes, aside from being disgusted with him 90% of time, asking him to whore for the information for his sake. And then treating him like a whore lol you are so oblivious
Well you clearly don't get the sarcasm, but try to apply what you just said to the other fucker Seungho, no one is oblivious except Seungho's masochists
THANK YOU. Being a noble is his reason for being a dick, but not an excuse. Even then even the other nobles say he's a dick so it's not like what he's doing is standard noble behaiviour.
Also he felt bad for raping nakyum? Good for him. He still did it so what does it matter. He has a weak side? Yes so does literally every other human you're just praising him for being three-dimensional
I am praising the author because Seungho is still fictional and on paper. Moreover, every human being makes mistakes, so does he.
I also don't think that being a noble is his reason for such behavior. I'd say his reason is rather to cover some pain from the past, which you may say is still no excuse but if every person would think alike and ACT alike our planet would be the happiest place in the universe with only morally positive choices. This might be no excuse but it is human-like... You know, bad people don't just decide they want to be bad. They are often unable to be different and often don't see their behavior as bad. The human psyche is pretty complicated which is nicely shown here. Seeing just morally correct characters would only make a story shallow and unrealistic.
(PS I don't know if you've seen La Casa de Papel aka Money Heist but in that story, for example, one of the fans' very favorite characters is a guy who's morality is definitely questionable but he's incredibly multi-dimensional and complex persona which make him that likable)
I actually agree with this! I don't think it's inherently wrong for the author to show us seungho's weaknesses and such to make him more human. However, in terms of knowing that this character will end up with nakyum, the guy he raped, I hope it's not the only thing that drives them together, as a lot of mangas/manhwas fall into the trope of 'now that you see I have feelings none of the bad things I did matter!' but rather show seungho try to redeem himself in some way. And if they don't do that at least admit that the relationship is messed up (which I thought was the path the author was going to take, but I'm seeing now the possibility of following the trope, which worries me.)
(Ill give you an example too lmao one of my favourite redeption arcs (though its still in progress) is Endevor's in My Hero Academia. He doesn't ask for forgiveness from the people he hurt because he knows it's beyond forgiveness, but instead he's constantly trying to show them that he can be better now. I have to commend the author for trying to reedem the manga's most hateable character. It'll be even easier for PotN to do this since a lot of people already like seungho. He has yet to win me over tho.)
Yeah, I guess going smoothly through the things he's done is not something we want to see. I hope he'll try to make everything right and redeem himself or something. It's just that I always like those lost people who make bad choices in stories (if their not total freaks), they're interesting. And if we talk about shounens there's a ton of guys like that - first thing in my mind are Obito or Nagato form Naruto. Not to mention Uchichas and maybe Orochimaru. Very questionable actions they took but in the end they tried to make things right. One can't really hate them. I miss shounens' deeper writing in yaoi.
I don't like sex between secretary and Mr CEO. I feel like the chemistry was better with the other guy. And the uke genuinely was more crazy about him. Anyway, this other guy is probably just more my type of sex partner - more composed, controlling and resolved, kinda into more than sweet vanilla sex. I mean, there's nothing wrong with just lovely-dovey sex and cuteness but I like it smut and hard (●'◡'●)
Hot. As always. Na Kyum is such a cutie, blushing all over his face on the mere sight of his lord. Well, I'd maybe not blush, but I'd definietely get wet on that mere sight of him. What a bastard is our lord, looking so fucking sexy all the time, I'm calling police it must be a crime.
It's perfect. We've got two individuals with strong backstories and powerful personalities but they're each other soft spots. I love the desire and lust between them, it's so hot... like when they look at each other is enough to get hard! Yet, they still try to hide it somehow, so cute. Great dynamics. I love this mix between how sweet they are and how sexy they are the other moment. God damn, I needed a story like this <3
Sorry I meant to like it
This story is so fucking hot that I feel tension in my stomach and excitement just when I see in my notification that there's a new chapter. I suppose it starts reaching my top 10 ヾ(☆▽☆) Jeez how smoking smutty it might become more (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I lose the point of the story sometimes.
Why do they lie and make it more and more? Why does it have to be useless drama because of it in the future? The whole thing feels like it makes little progress and I'm becoming tired. Even sex scenes don't give off anything special, they're super short and come in the middle of the act which destroys the sexual tension between the guys. Moreover, uke always act somehow coy and embarrased for some reason, those are not his first times by no means, so he should act normally...
I mean that's the point of the whole thing
We still don't know why hangyum lied
We don't know How they ended up like in high school but the story is going there, sure the pacing is short and all but it's to introduce the other characters and their roles in this
Yep but if we keep not knowing why Hangym lied it gets difficult to keep relating to the character. The reader needs to be able to relate to a character in order to get interested in what will become of them in the future, but when chapters keep coming one after another and you still don't know shit about the character you start becoming disinterested
The story is being fleshed out (slowly) therefore all the confusing things will make sense later. Try to stomach it in and be impressed or unimpressed by the results.
╮(￣▽￣)╭ Of course the smut could be longer but whatever.
Sorry if I sounded demanding, by the way, it wasn't my intention.
It's not at all demanding. I think when you write a story you better don't half-ass it cuz it's pointless to do something that will be somehow dissapointing and the reader won't feel 'whole'. I'm not critizing the story itself yet, but it gets harder （￣へ￣）
I agree that's what it actually is also about
This is really negative. Which is okay to not like the story. The story is moving slow. And the sex scenes are short. This is a story with a plot that doesn’t focus on the sex just the story. I don’t agree it does not destroy the sex tensions inbetween them. I don’t agree with Hajin being coy and embarrassed. Maybe he is acting normally. Hajin is feisty. I actually think since you are tried and stuck on the lying part, you just miss many good things about the story and have negative opinions over it
Why do they lie? I think it is afraid of rejection...
At least that is what I am picking up on from the story.
Hajin has a bad break up and I would guess afraid of being hurt like he was was with Jaehee for how he acted when Hangyum asked him to be a couple. Then even if deep down Hajin knows this is Hangyum that he knew, he could still see him as an playboy idol that may be a different person. He may think he is just a passing fling. And he is trying not to get attached but he is.
Hangyum is afraid if Hajin learns the truth he will leave him and not want to see him (chapter 19). From chapter 8 and chapter 21, Hajin could had rejected him in the past, and he is afraid of losing Hajin and being rejected.
When someone has been rejected, men especially, it hard to get over those feelings and put your heart back out there. They need to get confident and be brave. That is why most of time men wait until they ask “will you marry me” it is when they know it would be an yes. “Men are afraid of rejection because they see it as a sign of loss of self esteem. A man feels loss of worth if he's not accepted and that he's not valuable. “
That's very true
Oh I see some positives. But I just cannot get my mind around why they try to hide those small details like Hajin keeping secret that he had boyfriends... Why? Is that so bad? He doesn't seem like he cares a lot about people opinions so why?
Anyway I'm not saying I don't like the story, it's fine.
Just, as a writer, I see some things in creation of charcters that could have been done better. I always spend countless hours to make sure that my characters act according to their personalities, consistently, rationally, so that the reader might refer himself or at least understand the motives. I feel lack of this quality in some actions.
That makes sense. What chapter is it where they talk about how it would ruin someone’s career for being gay? Or something if that effect.
This is a story from a different country. It is probably taking from their social norms. He has been with Hangyum but he has not opened up to him and shared with him.
As a writer myself and understanding you, i would would to change things and some conversations because some conversations fall short. But I did not see where Hajin is being coy or embarrassed or how the sex scenes ruins their sexual tension. I think Hajin is being Hajin. I don’t think I would tell an causal sex buddy that is an idol all of my past relationships. Sometimes, if it hard of people to open up. Now if Hajin and Him were dating and Hajin knew this was not just a fling but his friend from the past. I bet he will open up to him then.
Chapter 15.
it could either the social norms of in the story and could be the social norms of Korean. I would like to point out Hajin wanted to hide him and Jaehee holding hands at night on a empty street. People are going to view things differently from their experiences and so on. But sometimes see differently perspectives helps seeing a full picture and into becoming a better writer.
I have done some research. Korean society focus on conservatism. Not many of celebrities are openly out in Korean. One of the ones that came out was fired from his jobs and could not get a major acting role afterwards. Look up Hong Seok-cheon, if your interested. It seems this story is reflecting real-life Korean conservatism.
Ohhhh thanks for the research you did. I didn't know that wow.
Seungho look in panel 10 (ch.42 of course) is so precious (≧∀≦) He's expressions says it all.
On the other hand, I always wonder what is it with yaoi that ukes are crying during sex so often (I get the situation here, it's more overall reflection). According to reasearch and my privat research, tears don't turn men on. Instinctively such reaction should make their minds want to take care of a person (well, more like woman in evolutionary sense) and not to bang. It's a sign of harm which in primal instincts doens't mean sex. SO... WHY? Why does most of the kittens cry during sex and those crazy tops say they like it? Or that they want to see the crying guys under them? Yoon nicely noticed in last chapter that it spoils the mood. For me it would totally spoil. I prefer cheeky smiles during sex and not even once I wanted to cry or cried, even from pain, which happend a few times to me, hard bitch pain. I managed to pretend I enjoy it. The tears appeared rarely during blowjobs, rather when the guy made me do deep throat one or two times than constantly... although, it was just a few tears as a biological reaction.
If someone could explain to me why crying is sexy I would be greatful ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Did you just do a storytelling when you experienced s*x??
Wow how bold.