The FL was weak (like girl fight for your guy if someone is testing your marriage). Normally I wouldn’t recommmend fighting for ANYONE but the ML seemed sensible and loyal and Karmela was asking to get slapped.
And Fraco....you poor thing. She wasn’t worth it. Karmela was a liar, manipulative, and downright the worst. She doesn’t get to be easily forgiven because she was pregnant. Ugh.
BUT them going for counseling made me so happy! Like yes, maturity and adults that actually act like adults in a harlequin!
Some people ARE just weak. But at least the FL had proposed marriage counseling before leaving, and immediately returned to tell him of the pregnancy when she found out, and was only gone for 10 days and then didn't fall into bed with him immediately upon returning and without the aforementioned marriage counseling. All in all a LOT better than the majority of "weak" FLs in Harlequin stories.
Who wrote this bullshit? Absolutely ridiculous! She gives up NASA for that toxic POS? Nah. Ugh. Just no.
[Spoiler] *for those who read the update on Lezhin
After the most recent chapter that updated on the main site, I’m shocked to say I’m not happy at Nakyum admitting his feelings. And I thought I might be. In fact, it just made me ultra sad. It’s Stockholm at its peak, and it is just ultra sad to see how despite how much he’s abused, he so reliant on someone, anyone, to feel some sort of love for him. He doesn’t even care if it comes in the most toxic, twisted way.
Also if Seungo kills the nice old man for telling him the truth, imma lose all my shit
I think Nakyum is fully aware of the fact their relationship is problematic. Nakyum actually acknowledges in this chapter that he hates the violent side of Seungho. But he didn't fall for the "abuser". He fell for the man who confessed to him because he could feel the sincerity in his words and gentle expression. Seungho was clearly affected by both Mr Kim and Heena's words so I suspect he will let Nakyum go. If the author is somehow gonna make this relationship work they both need time apart to rethink how they feel and what they want. I believe Min’s plan is whats gonna finally bring them together since Nakyum is his target.
^^this
I like your point of view and I totally agree..
Thank you
wow thank u
Yeeees
Sorry,I meant to downvote.
I think you are misunderstanding my comment. I definitely think Nakyum is aware of how bad the relationship is and he is still willing to accept it despite it all because Seungho has grown on him. E.g. Stockholm. I think it’s problematic to try to separate abusive Seungho from “slightly affectionate” Seungho who confessed. It inadvertently downplays the constant abuse that he subject Nakyum to and seems to have no remorse for. Basically I’m just highlighting my feelings on their situation. Tbh for me, I don’t need them together at this point because I can’t see how Seungho can redeem the things he’s done. Feeling remorse isn’t good enough, letting Nakyum leave isn’t good enough (because technically Nakyum should be able to leave anyway), and apologizing isn’t good enough. Tbh a real person in Nakyum’s situation would maybe have already suffered from severe depression or tried to commit suicide so I can’t redeem Suengho.
Despite all this, I still really like the story so I’m sticking it though until the end. Tbh I like tragedies and I don’t need everything to always end with every party happy. I just want Nakyum to be happy in the end
Also bro just downvote if you don’t agree. It’s literally a forum for discussion. I don’t care lolll
I agree with you. I think this tendency to disassociate two sides of one unhealthy character is indeed problematic. Abusor SH and slightly-nice SH are the same person and realistically it wouldn’t make sense to fall for him because of one side. This is not a natural reaction (except in the case of the very stereotypical Stockholm syndrome). To put things into perspective and give an example, I myself had to live with someone with an hot-and-cold moody (and toxic) behavior and I can tell you this is not attractive at all. When someone acts nice just after being a jerk, you feel very lost and uncomfortable. And because it’s so unexpected and sudden, you start wondering that you might be projecting or that you did something wrong (you try to rationalize the nonsense in front of you lol). You act extra wary because who would want to receive an affection that comes as disingenuous considering the previous actions.... All these feelings are hardly compatible with falling in love. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
The readers who think POTN’s developments make sense psychologically have read too much romance. Because realistically it doesn’t work like that (but when it comes to fiction I admit it’s something we see often). And thinking NK’s love for SH is understandable just downplays the legit reasons why it is not (the abuse).
tbh I think their relationship is very much sangwoo n yoonbum but less ankley
1000% agree with you. I think it’s fine for readers to desensitize themselves to this type of behavior for the sake of continuing the story, just so long as they don’t let their acceptance of it filter into reality. And tons have read too many stories of this genre and think it’s fine because they’ve seen it so much. I’m literally about to pursue post-graduate studies in sexualization and fetishism in lit so while this is super entertaining, I can’t help analyzing the issues.
By falling for Seungho's 'kinder' side I'm not saying that Nakyum (or the audience) should disassociate that kindness from the more violent aspect of his personality. Nakyum is fully aware that Seungho can be a brutal and frightening man, but he also recognises that there is still humanity left in him. This doesn’t mean he forgets the abuse, but it’s easier to overlook when you’re being cared for. When you are in a position like that you accept the bare minimum.
This chapter proves to the critics that the abuse is not romanticized and actually tackles real-life problems such as Stockholm syndrome through an outsiders perspective. Like when Heena tells Nakyum that Seungho wouldn't hurt him if he truly loved him as a person and not a posession.
In this chapter Seungho’s first instinct was to kick Heena out to keep Nakyum hostage for himself, but real love is never selfish or posessive. That's why I think this arc might be where Seungho's TRUE progressive development can occur. It gives him the time to reflect on his behaviour and *hopefully* decide to put Nakyum's happiness above his own selfishness. I don't believe he is completely irredeemable.
True but I upvoted and I didn't want to, hence my message.
Your studies sound smimulating! I myself did a bit gender studies and it lead me to subjects such as sexualization and fetishism too, though it was not necessarily related to literature. If you have some interesting articles about it, I am open for recommendations
I’ll be damned if I nurse him back from his illness after he effectively treats me like shit for months. Your illness isn’t an excuse to be shit. It was like he was actively trying to push her towards a state of depression. If you want to end things because of the illness then breaks things off like a normal damn adult
Fuck Yahwi.
And if you are still rooting for him, fuck you too.
I don’t even care about dislikes at this point. He has done nothing but gaslight and completely disregard Jooin’s feelings. I could give 2 shits that he’s hot. He just all around sucks as a character. Like he didn’t defend him, and instead turned on him rather than say anything to his trash friends. And I’m goin going to be mad as heck when the author somehow tries to defame Cain’s character to make Yahwi seem like a halfway decent ML. Ugh.
Yahwi needs to get his complex love shit together
I agree that he really does kinda suck but I wouldn't say "fuck you" to anyone rooting for him. That is their choice. There is nothing wrong with it. Also it's just rude. No need to be so bitchy about a manhwa :)
i'm in no ones team caus yahwi is not treating him good and cain is using him or he is hidding something (he saif it himslef) but i want yahwi x jooin to work out (only if Yahwi changes)
Normally I would be down to internalize but nah. Not for this character. If someone likes him, they can, but if they come under my thread, then they need to understand the energy I’m coming with if they try to defend him to me because his character is honestly trash
Well, maybe it's just me. I have seen a lot worse than Yahwi so maybe that's why :) I personally don't like him that much, but if someone does I wouldn't want to argue with them or anything.
Just by reading the story suggest that either Jooin and Cain met when they were yonger or Cain has pass memories, why do I think so? Because of the panel where Cain and Jooin where dressing in hanboks and Cain muttered he looked the same as in the past and the way he fluently spoke korean
{because like obviously he’s not going to automatically fall for someone who was an ass up until 2 seconds ago}
MC: “Let’s stay as friends”
Crazy ML: no
*Me: I know this mf did not just take 2 tiny steps forward to knock himself 4 large steps back
I take issue with narratives like this. I feel for Saku and I want him to work out his trauma, but I dislike that Kyousuke is in a position that he has to suffer because he can’t forget Saku. I want Kyousuke to move on. I feel like that’s better. It seems a little sad that his narrative is to just wait on the other party until they become emotionally available. That isn’t to demean Saku’s trauma, but I want to see Saku fix himself and Kyousuke to move on towards a relationship with someone who actually deserves him right now rather than him wait on Saku. I’m cool with them just being friends
Thissss! I totally agree. Yeah, I would be glad to see Saku get some help, but Kyousuke definitely has the potential to move on and find him some real lovin. All wishes aside, kyousuke is still in love with saku and that’s just how it’ll be. I hope there will be a manga like how you described it should be one day!
But it's not Saku's job to get Kyousuke to move on. Kyousuke has to do that himself.
I know. That’s precisely the point I’m trying to make. I want Saku to heal on his own and I want Kyousuke to move on while he does that rather than wait for him. After all, who knows how long Saku’s healing process will take
trueeee
I don’t understand the people actually like Diego. I literally HATE guys that can’t take no for an answer the most. Hits too close to home. Diego is honestly just annoying. It would be one thing if he didn’t act like every other high-handed, arrogant prince ever written but nope,l. The most prominent part of his character is that he is the stereotypical prince who is interested in the first girl to tell him no. He’s so basic it’s painful. (But maybe he will have character development)
Even though I’m re-reading, I still cry like a baby. It’s a masterpiece.
I just want something to go wrong so that Taesung will wallow in remorse and misery. Fuck him for wanting to break his other leg. Not cool