Seme cannot be excused anymore. No matter what, he belongs into jail for the rest of his life. He made Nakyum, who already had issues, into a nervous mess. It started the first day he went to him. Since then he was always a nervous mess, getting more and more stressed out. Then after a huge shock after another, he shut down and just went with whatever Seungho wanted for a bit. It is a method of survival called "dissossiation"...that is why seungho was so irritated by how nakyum suddenly was so unmoved by their intimacy and just went along. And that Nakyum was lost for a bit and back, it was just an excuse for him to torture Nakyum. A fucked up bastard like Seungho would use everything as an excuse just to not have to listen to his common sense and feelings and reality in general, but project all that onto someone vulnerable like Nakyum. He is a narcissistic bitch. So you cannot change them. He went through some trauma as it seems. So what? Nothing is ever an excuse for manipulating, threatening, kidnapping, torturing and raping a person. Especially if you know you are "more powerful" than them, so they cannot "do anything anyway". God.....realistically, people would already feel suicidal after alll that insane mental and physical stress and trauma he went through in such a short amount of time, with no way to rest and no moment of feeling safe and stable and relaxed. Gosh. If the author does not allow Nakyum to leave and never see an asshole bastard fucker like that rapist again, and become a happy awesome independent person who lives a life where he can do what he loves and is treated with respect and love, I will be so dissappointed. This will be a waste to such an amazing art....like...this would be like "pretty trash" in the end ya know....
It's just a comic...but um..let's just see where the story ends and how it ends to actually you opinions or idk (︶︿︶) like that one girl in the silent voice said "I decided to find out if the roler coaster was scary after I tried it" it doesn't make much sense since it's a completely different matter but I hope you understand what I'm saying (￣∇￣")
i do understand people who always want to emphasise that it is just fiction....but it is a story that was created nonetheless and as long as you read it and engage with it it is part of your reality now....as it is a part of your memory forever....and thus, i obviously wish for it to be one that makes sense and that i can be fine with...not one that leaves behind bad feelings...like common rape glorifying yaoi tropes....no matter how much you say this is just comic, it makes you feel right? it makes you feel very real feelings and emotions right? so are those fake as well? no, those are real....thus you can tell that even if something is just fiction, for your brain it is the same as "reality"....it does not differentiate....so why would i want to irresponsibly want to feed my brain with data that will pollute it? i appreciate the authors art. but i have a right to have an opinion and critisise and until now, the story is unsatisfying and go more and more into a direction where it seems it will make no sense in the end and be a cheap rape trope....i pray it won't....but yeah...i will wait and see
In this era of civilization the rich could behave this way so, no, he does not belong in jail, in this timeline. Stop trying to make this real. It’s not.
You know the difference between subjective opinion and empirical evidence right? You personally would want to strongly believe that Imagination has no impact on you in any way (which like makes no sense if you think about it for a bit), but anyway....the reality is though, that in different fields empirical evidence has been found showing that imagination DOES impact your body and all over wellbeing as it is still a NEUROLOGICAL REALITY....it is not happening outside of your brain...which means you do not experience it through the combination of all your senses, but you are only experiencing it through one sense =your eyes. Why else would people get nighmares and real phobia after watching horror movies? Nothing wrong with wanting to believe stuff, but you should be aware how no amount of personal desire can proof that what you say is a fact. No...if it is subjective without empirical evidence, it is an OPINION.
Bruh, read something else. Simple math.
If I read a news report about a real life story like this with real photos of victims/bad guy, say on FB, it would affect me afterward. However, reading this BL does not do a thing to me in my day to day because I do not feel it as reality. I think people like you who try hard to smash this into readers minds as parallel to real life are so fixated on soap boxing that you make yourself phantom sick from your own actions.
how those men who were into haruhi, treated her like some object. The fuck is wrong with them? And no one seriously punished them for the way they were. Especially that childhood friend who lover her oh so much for oh so long and whatnot. The fuck. Go push that love of yours up your ass cause it is worth as much as your shit you bastard! Forcefully trying to touch her and whatever not you were planning, talking about her like she was some offering that had no voice or will. "Her dad wants it, I want it, money, blah blah." Those kinds of people need to be beaten to a pulp over and over until they understand the kind of peace of shit they are. Be it literally or by karma. THIS TRIGGERED ME SO MUCH OMG!!!
Ikr! I was so freaking pissed (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ they were thinking only about themselves
authors nowadays love to ship toxic relationships for no reason....there are ones who make sense...this one just seems to try and make it make sense cause they realise it actually does not make sense at all, but they decided in the beginning they want the first ship and now they try to somehow safe it even though everyone already sensed it is fucked up and realistically could not work out....gosh...i hate it when authors do not listen to the story but stubbornly try to force their pre determined red string....real great authors who mastered being an author understand to let go of their ego and go with the flow of the story they created....cause if you are good at telling a story you will realise it can start having an own will and all you do is just write down what it "tells you"....if you read interviews of authors of great masterpieces that is something they kinda all say when they talk about how they came up with this and that...sometimes they also say how they thought it would end up super different but while writing it went into this unexpected direction "because the characters wanted to go there".....sounds creepy, but it has a lot of reason behind it that is to complex to explain....anyway....that is why reading stories like this which has potential, feel so painful....so i drop this...if it ends, i will just look to see if the author may be changed or if my prediction was right....but yeah..bye...hhhhh (cry)
I also feel the author has changed. Sorry, don't hate me ╥﹏╥
Maybe it has something to do also with the kind of readers nowadays...you know those who are thirsty for smuts over plot. Stories with gradual plot development often mislook today. Though some authors spent time in molding characters viewers don't appreciate it or only got bored. Toxic relationship in yaoi manga is popular today because readers find it "new" and "interesting". Especially after Killing Stalking set the bar.
there are those who just want to feed quick tropes and keep readers attention by satisfying those kinda stuff and with nice art and convenient input of romacne and whatnot t get off the feel of toxidity, they make the story memorable a bit....but those who truly take care in really delving into the story they are molding...those stories are what are unforgettable for everyone...be it the perverts or the softie prudes....we all know a few of those here on tis website....even people who don't like romance love them cause they are so realistic within themselves, they intrigue even those people and reach far and wide....some are so good they become classics for centuries even (famous literature books we all know or heard from)....there are people who write for money and those who write for the art...then there are those who are in between so it is hard to tell or admit....nothing wrong with that...or this kind of story like this manga...what is wrong though is for people to act like this story is not like that even though it obiously is, cause they don't wanna admit they love cheap amusement...again nothing wrong with that....not at all....just the hypocricy is annoying...
Stories with this type of storyline are the popular ones, which I think is a huge factor why we see more toxic relationships, esp in yaoi, instead of a slow, healthy one. Hope kids who read this dont think this is hot in real life and go look for those handsome bad boys.
they do though....why you think almost everyone in the world has in one way or another an issue because of their parents? cause their parents staid with a person that they did not mesh well with in reality and how can unhappy parents make their child truly happy and love their child unconditionally like they should? people are stupid. they rather believe in some magical shit that never happens, instead of common sense and facts. a human never ever ever ever changes. no amount of amazing love will change a human. only way a human can change is if they want it and are diligent enough to stick to changing their issues from deeep down upwards slowly rebuilding what was set wrongly....which involves work over a period of time....no one just does this for no reason but selifsh desire....and if they live in a way where they already get all they want without changing their ways, why should they ever consider that they truly are the issue and should change themselves? this toxic fucker here has everything and get everything, even while being a toxic fucker....why should he change? he may go a bit woony for a bit when he gives in to uke in a bit...but after the drug called lovey dovey feelings settle down into a habit, he will resume his toxic fucker behavioural scheme....why should he change? the uke is already his and he didn't leave before when he was even worse, so why would he leave now? stuff like this does not happen consciously always, but subconsciously....why do people love this kinda story? they always did....people love this kinda unrealistic stuff cause they wanna believe they can have it, too. or they wish they would. a love that changes a handsom jerk into a handsome princey boyfriend..WOOOOW...how awesome...pfft as if...if you were to experience this in real life, you would run whit your legs in your hands or be a person insde the known and easily googleable cycle of a toxic abusive relationship....abuse is not only physical...it has many ways...this one here is emotional abuse mostly i would say....
I agree when you say this mf seme have everything so why will he change and he is so sure the uke is head over heels for him that even he is such a mf Jooin will still stay.
Toxic relationship is a cycle indeed unless one will have the initiative to give up first and move on. In this story I think Jooin is key. If he will continue being a push over nothing will force to Yahwi to change.
Ghad Alex (of BJ Alex) is kinda mf at first too but in their story he made it clear that he only want physical relationship until DG decided to give up. But Yahwi's intention here is so unclear that the readers will only notice his garbage side.
Yeah. Alex would never have changed like he did, if Uke just kept staying with him all swooning over him like he is some God or whatnot. When he realised, that no matter how much Uke loved him, he still left him, cause he was an asshole, he realised that he didn't want to loose that love and that person, so he stopped being a selfish insensitive asshole and started being a human being. A human can always change. We are not solid, we are fluid. We can always be something else, but we need to want to be and put in the effort. Or why else are humans able to play completely different characters and act out so amazingly that we forget they are just acting? Or some actors loose themselves so much in the acting, they forget who they were before (Like Jim Carrey in that one role that completely changed him and made him go into spirituality etc.)....or how people who were criminals who never seemed to have an ounce of empathy become super docile and considerate people after years of prison and thus a lot of time of self reflection in a place where no one knows them and expects nothing of them?....this is all basic shit....but people forget what romance actually was....the origin of the word romance and the original meaning of romance...me as a european who had german literature classes, i know....i consider myself lucky, that our teacher made me realise the crap that i was willingly eating like an idiot before about love, romance etc. and listened more closely to science and ancient knowledge and whatnot and saw what an amazing business romance is haha...anyway...it is sad...how people try to belive in myths to lie to themselves about the sadness of reality, cause they are afraid of facing reality head on and thus the unknown change it might bring to them and their future....that is why only few people break out of all this hallucination and seem "crazy" for many people cause they state facts....anyway....nothing bad in fiction....the problem is why people crave for this kind of story....as much as people want to lie to themselve it is just fiction and they don't believe it or are not affected by it...it is not true...it is not possible logically to not be affected....cause for the brain there is no difference between imagination and reality....so both are stored the same way....only thing that does differenciate between a memory that was made through a fictive situation and a real situation is your conscience, while you remember something....sometimes you even forget when you made what memory....if it was real or if it was imaginary....cause it was so long ago you have to focus to remember where it came from....people over estimate themselves a lot....sadly...anyway...whatever....it won't change the fact that this relationship is toxic and will never be truly happy and that the love they have is tainted and not unconditional....no matter how amazingly the author uses the device or romance....romance was never meant to be happy anyway...it has a sad history....anyway...yeah...dunno if anyone would read this essay pfahahah
and just to add....alex changed because it was fiction...that stuff rarely can be applied to reality....only cause the author wanted him to become like that after the break up did he change like that and never repeated the kind of crap he always did before...like magic pff....not realistic sadly :/
is super at fault. I don't get people who are so oblivious by choice....like dude...you have a partner....you are both also fresh....and you are abroad....you should have sensed how uncomfortable your partner was with that guy....and how that guy was like super inappropriate to your partner and how he is still super inappropriate towards you who he knows has a partner....and you go out with him regularly, stay out all night, get drunk next to him, someone who is stronger than you and could overpower you and who is interested in you with ulterior motives....and you lie about all that to your partner, who is far away and already antsy about not being with you....I do not like people like this at all....yeah sure it is your first relationship, but why are you being dumb and oblivious on purpose? why do i say this? cause woonyoung knows....even non intelligent people realise this stuff, they just put it in the back of their mind, cause they don't wanna think about it and make their situation that they find convenient change....i had a friend like woonyoung....when she did this kinda stuff with her second relationship, i finally lost my shit and she even said thank you, that she needed someone to talk sense into her, cause she didn't wanna admit she was being an insensitive asshole on purpose cause she was too selfish to be considerate...and she is an amazing person....but good and evil go hand in hand yeah....so you never forget, that your actions count not the intention....and woonyoung may have no bad intentions and be a sweet loyal person who loves his alpha over everything, but his actions speak a different tune....which is why he is at fault here for making his partner so anxious...and encouraging that dude who (spoiler) wil attempt to fuck him later cause he was so full of false hope from the ambiguous actions of woonyoung....
don's missunderstand....rape is always no no....what i mean is that he thinks he has a chance in seducing him cause woonyoung was being all hot and cold and ambiguous.....he said no in the end so he is obligated to stop then and there....if he does not than he is a criminal fucker so yeah...not to get this fact confused here..
Read this all and your absolutely, right , no one can’t tell you that what you said is false bc what u said it’s not a opinion it’s a fact
I do agree and I hate the fact that this issue is not focused in the story. The author should have made Uke realized his wrong actions but the thing with him and Liam did not escalate dunno why it didn't but that's actually some serious case for me even if they don't have any intimate relationship what they're doing is completely out for me.
If my lover did that to me, dude we need a serious talk. I ain't over reacting or anything it's just wrong.
Yeah. Cause as we can see, Woonyoung grew up sheltered and spoiled. He never had to think about other people. So he is naively selfish. Low emotional intelligence. I mean, I can bet my money, that if Seme did remotely the same stuff as Woonyoung, he would go apeshit crazy....he looses his composure over anything that frustrates him real quick and dramatically anyway...so imagine Seme acts the way he does and roles are reversed...he will write a whole soap opera about how hurt and betrayed he feels and cry and run after seme crying and questioning him, stalking him etc. whatnot other dramatic stuff and be hard to calm down.....but he has an "insider secret" with that third wheel right before his boyfriends eyes....that's screaming "you have a chance bro!" to anyone else! lying to your boyfriend with the guy who is interested in you right infront of your boyfriend together as accomplices....OH I WONDER WHY HE WOULD EVER MISSUNDERSTAND YOU?!(╯°Д °)╯╧╧
infuriatingly shameless guys like dion it is important they fall in love first and become soft teddies towards their lover...cause you cannot tame them if you fall first....usually i hate this kinda talk....but with guys like this dude, there is no other way they will ever be tamed in a positive way and become good lovers....cause they already have it all and they know they do, so yeah....hhhhh....i love and hate him...aideen is the best to knock him off from his weird high horse into a whimpering puppy asking for attention from her.....she deserves nothing less hehe...i cannot wait for the day she will be comfortable enough to let herself revel in her feelings and you know...relax...imagine a relaxed and comfortable aideen smiling, being happy and all...gosh....wow...we will all question our sexuality if that happens hahahaha
You know it was so sweet to read ur cm so thank u(▰˘◡˘▰)
clean someones ears or node...the heck....first it is ew and it is also dangerous....gosh...best is stuff like someone stroking your hair and back....they are talking nonsense goddammit....
you had tragic past experiences, does not excuse needlessly hurting others. It literally negates all the suffering you went through. Cause you went through pain....you were treated unfairly....but by making others feel those things that you hated and that traumatised you.....you now are not one bit better than anyone who ever hurt you before....you are the same as them...and it means your do not deserve anything better now, because you fucked up your own karma....everyone lives a life without knowing what may come....all we are born is with the most essential insticts, which all come down to survival...the brain just always only thinks of survival...the rest is really us, a you that was shaped and formed by experiences, how you responded to them and processed them and your habits and whatnot....which means you are not rigid, but fluid...you can always become a new you if you put in the effort...we can change...that is why humans can act out such absoltely different roles (actors) to their "original self" and sell it so well to millions of people....we can be what we want to be....these two wanted to be assholes....so basta...what matters is what you are in the present and not what you once were...because the past is no more...it is dead and stagnant...it won't change it happend and is gone....the influence it has on you depends on how you take responsibility about your inner self and thus also on your outer self etc......somethimes that includes asking for help (psychologist etc.).....i know a lot of people who went through unimaginable misery before their brains were even fully developed (<15), but turned out to be amazing adults...why? they have a vision of a self they want to be and pursue it....which includes not to be in pain and not to cause pain as they experienced how shit it is....etc. anyway...i feel sad for what they went through in their pasts.....but i have no ounce of whatnot for what they do in their present....they act bad, so they are bad...basta....does not matter how they are on their inside..only your actions count....you can be as sweet and amazing inside as you want, but if you act like a cruel fucker, in reality it means you are a cruel fucker....BASTA
the art is awesome and I like the idea and all...but bro....what is wrong with this flow? It feels like everyone in the story knows what is happening, but the reader is not an insider, so we only get like 70% so our brain is getting almost burned out after reading this to fill in the gaps that we cannot understand cause we lack the knowledge how to uncode what is going on or something.....this gave me such a headache....guess i am not fit to get this...i am not a chosesn reader or what pfft....
Lols where did you get confused? It's not too terribly hard to understand, but it does need you to pay attention enough to comprehend a bit compared to most novel reincarnation types.
LMAO!
Yeah! Kick us while we are down!
lol
I got super confused. Had to reread everything to make sense of it.
Norton is good, then he is bad, then he is very very bad, and now he is good misunderstood.
I prefer him being misunderstood. But I really miss having a chronological sequence.
Cos the childhood memories that show up and change perspective plus every other event gave my attention lacking brain a stun.
(づ￣ ³￣)づ
you didn't get what i mean...i know what is going on and all...but the way the story is told is super awkward....very uncomfortable and weird....the flow is jsut strange...that is all...i know what is happening, but i get a headache from the way the story is being presented to me.....
i get what you mean. i bought the novel a while ago, and the pacing was pretty good. but in the manhwa they rushed several things, like valrose making tea, and most of the other childhood events.
Original timeline Nocton is bad.
Current Nocton timeline has the potential to be good, but he has done some bad things.
His fam was super shitty in both timelines. But in the current timeline extra shitty since they are threatening Valrose. His concern for Valrose is what has given him the potential to be good.
But since he have never told Valrose that part of why he kept his distance from her is to protect her she still assumes that he has followed a similar path as original timeline Nocton.
trust. the sub needs to be able to trust that the dom will STOP if you say the safe word and the dom has to trust that the sub will SAY the safeword IMMDETIATELY when he feels uncomfortable and no longer a cozy mix of pleasure-pain!
Uhm the thing is, uke in this manga doesn’t seem to have stopper, so the play is super dangerous
Correct. I do wish the author did some extensive research on the topic before coming out with this as a lot of people who read this are likely young and impressionable. They won't know that this is actually a dangerous way to do BDSM and safe words + aftercare is extremely important.
yeah! i was so triggered when i saw him chocke uke win some way be it hands or with the collar.....this is not ok!