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i wanted to say this but i couldn’t figure out how to put you worded my inner thoughts this is so cheeks now

My thoughts :(. So much smut, I lost track of the plot, I reread a chapter and I remembered how deep it was.

it’s dookie and wasting such a good concept. i don’t mind rape or sexual violence being in psychological stories, but its watering down any type of plot + vulnerability between them. all because ml’s sole motivator is horniness and suddenly only cares about tae as a living sex doll??

they have so much to talk about!! but all they keep doing is putting in sex scene after sex scene, which would’ve been okay had it been telling a story! however it exists as only torture porn

literally. why are side characters more interesting than the actual ml that’s insane!! ml got so watered down and pathetic it’s sad, when he had a whole lot of depth in season 1 but now he just looks like a sex-addicted loser

Yes. I was rereading parts of Season 1, and it was deep and sad. But right now, we're all getting a smut overdose. Someone needs to tell the author that a bit of plot would make the smut easier to digest—lmao.
As for the side characters, it feels a bit forced. I’m not going to buy into the side character sympathy arc—very few authors can make that magic happen. The flow keeps getting disrupted with random side stories about the brother’s love for the MC.

right?? and yea the side characters were definitely put in as a way to keep the story actually rolling. we’re now seeing the childhood friends inner thoughts because of how sex heavy s2 is when this could’ve been handled better in s1. he was completely out of that love story loop until now, so it’s really sudden. but i rationalized it because he’s thinking about the “what ifs”, regrets, and just reminiscing now that taes missing

meanwhile tae is suffering badly and we’re seeing a young part of him from the best friends pov, he was at least free and happy there ╥﹏╥

I don’t know if Taekyung was ever truly free or happy. His only genuine happiness seemed to be with Heeso’s mom. I’m not sure why the author put so much effort into the second ML. He wasn’t that sweet in s1—he was forceful, even forcing a kiss on MC, and didn’t exactly welcome him as family. A side character should grow on people naturally, like in Omega Complex or Insecret, not be forced onto the audience. Not every author has that talent.

SMH, Taekyung is such a pushover with both Heeso and the second ML. He’s too sweet for this world, always trying to please everyone, too naive, and never truly happy because he feared being abandoned. That’s why when Heeso wears the wig and says he’ll become whatever Taekyung wants, and MC hugs him, saying he likes him for who he is—it hits so hard. I just wish MC was smarter. Sigh... lmao. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Someone tell the author to go back to her roots and make this manhwa great again. Lol. I hope, as you said, they both realize they got played, especially Taekyung. Heeso is smart, but he really needs to control his libido. This is too much.

he definitely had more happiness and freedom. this is not to say that’s the ONLY experiences he’s had… we saw the very unique hardships he lived through as an adoptee. and then chose the happiness of other people in the end instead of his passions. however there was a time he was at peace with archery and content with his family in general despite the pressuring circumstances. i agree side character storylines should be introduced slowly to feel natural, but given mc/ml current circumstances the focus does make sense. i just wish the kidnapping arc wasn’t so sex heavy because the potential to focus on the psychological and thrilling aspects are right there!!!

tae has unfortunately been a people pleaser/doormat all his life in the worst way teen ml found a loophole and had a grown man wrapped around his finger… that’s what i hate about his characterization is that he’s smart and so get, but gets into the worst situations because he trusts people too easily + people take advantage of it

Right! Like, this seems to be just a cycle of trauma, which is never good. This comic involves s_xual abuse and dr*gs, leading to addiction. Most readers want to justify the pain the mc is going through, but it's just a traumatized character addicted to s_x and becoming dependent to the mc, to the point of traumatizing the mc that took advantage of him in the past.

exactly, it’s an interesting take on cycles of abuse and doesn’t cut corners on how horrible everyone’s actions are. but its odd this entire plot got reduced to “he deserved it look at what he did!” when there was so much context explaining how raymond was clearly at his lowest and only sought out companionship from winter. yet winter hasn’t done his own healing and now sees abuse AS LOVE

im not the type to yuck someone’s yum, if they want to see ray tortured idc ill ignore it. but what’s alarming is seeing people make up excuses instead of being honest about their sadistic desires lol!

You just explained why this story is Wattpad coded lmao. This trope is nothing new, every story has it's on dimensions even if they have similar tropes, and it's am overused theme in Wattpad as well. Hope you hear yourself before you comment lmaoo

I think a big part of it is the art...it's just giving "I'm a completely normal girl with brown hair and brown eyes that sometimes look green in the light. I'm not pretty despite having all the stereotypical features modern society considers the epitome of beauty. I have the waist of a wasp but the ASSets of a curvaceous woman DESPITE my arms and legs being the size of TOOTHPICKS"

He's also just...quintessential bad boy obsessed with nothing else but her, who probably fell in love when they were kids and she helped him with one thing or another. It *is* cliche but the art doesn't help.

being rude for no reason, you must be slow or something. no shit it’s nothing new when this trope has existed longer than wattpad itself and is literally used in every other media. you didn’t even read my criticism properly… that app reduces the bad boy/soft girl pairing to a shallow idea of it which is why i brought it up. are you arguing just to argue lmao?

im explaining that people think this story is a bad/wattpad adjacent take, when it’s not. a woman becoming their own person outside of a past abusive relationship isn’t explored often in relation to this trope. the story focuses on an ml who yearns and goes above and beyond to make mc happy because of their past + a fl who’s healing, and then wanting to discover how to live. their characterization have depth beyond each other. meanwhile wattpad makes none of the characters have personality outside of being a bad boy tsundere, with a badass mc who’s only character trait is being strong. please learn how to comprehend words before speaking to me

Are you unemployed or what? I was rude? Or you can't stand someone else's opinion? I ain't reading allat. This story is Wattpad coded.

Your lack of knowledge about stories with same trope with the same character development does not mean you can call others dumb. I have read enough stories where the FMC explores her own independence after escaping an abusive relationship. Hope you come out of the rabbit hole you're living in. You aren't special just cause you read so less lmao

baby are you jobless or get dumped today? i can’t imagine being this stupid, weird, and hurt over a comment that doesn’t address you at all. reading comprehension AND actual all anti-intellectual because you can’t finish an argument you started?? pick a struggle

u read my paragraph no need to be shy or else you wouldn’t have have come back with a rebuttal. i know you’re lonely and needed a victim to talk to today and that’s okay we can tussle

making up a whole argument in your head as if i was generalizing ALL haters, okay bean soup headass!! there’s a difference between people using this excuse vs having valid criticisms, did you know that? please go out and talk to people instead of staying on mangago, that brain damage is seeping through the screen. all this animosity and hostility because you take shit the wrong way and too personal, go ahead and log off for your own health

the art is the worst part about this story. i criticized it so many times and get called misogynistic because i dislike how she’s given triple g’s, toothpick limbs, and a slim thick figure despite being overworked + malnourished for years . trust me i hate this aspect too and this isn’t part of the dumb readers mentioned

im not arguing that it isn’t cliche! in fact i stated it WAS stereotypical there’s no discussion there. but the biggest difference to me is that instead of relying on the trope to tell the story like other manhwas or wattpad itself- she’s telling a pretty realistic side about her own heartbreak and trying to move on quickly as a result of a traumatic, horrible first love. i personally relate to this retelling of a impulse/comfortable new connection. she’s not doing it in order to fill a void, but outside of a narrative lens it’s… good feeling appreciated by someone new you met and having a magnetic connection with. its very on point with adult love is all im trying to say lmao

Help bro had to make an entire scenario to take out the victim card when all I did was call out this clown for how wrong they are. You might need professional help if you wrote 3 big answers cause you couldn't stomach the fact that this story is Wattpad coded. And they aren't even haters, which haters spend their time to read this manhwa to hate on it? Also if I have to return your energy, how about you go outside and suck some dick? You sound like you lack proper human interaction and that you crave attention from people. You turned this into an argument of insulting each other cause you couldn't come up with valid points. Shows how unloved and uncared you are lmaoo.

Womp womp just cause you say the exact same thing in 3 paragraph and resort to insults does not mean you did something. Maybe crawl back to your mom's basement and cry about it. Read the comments and see who started insulting first. Your ego is so fragile that it got hurt cause you can't take different opinions. Your lack of reading does not account for other's opinion when they have read more and enough than you ever did. Keep barking like a bitch. That's all you can ever do. And your bio says you're an alpha. Fucking delusional piece of shit, skibidi toilet generation lmaoo

ahh you mad no one reading that shit. you got scared and blocked? mf loser

She is what I like about the story and what kind of puts it apart from generic wattpad-ness.

I do agree on that point, because it's not generally explored how relationships can dissolve and turn something once precious to dirt. And she stays because she clings to that memory of what it once was. Emotional abuse- something incredibly prevalent but not talked about enough.

The thing is, though, that the realism she brings kind of gets...offput by the male lead imo. I want her to find happiness but he kinda ruins it because he is the wattpad/manhwa stereotype.

I like obsessed men but that is quite literally his only personality. Everything he does is for her. Everytime he breathes it's for her. He is a tall dark stranger who came out of seemingly nowhere just waiting for her relationship to fall apart lol. Not to mention he is a CEO AND the quasi-leader of the mafia world? He's loved her all his life and is a virgin but is just naturally amazing at sex? And a ginormous Richard.

It just kills the realism for me. I can't quite put my finger on it because there are other stories where the male lead was obsessed, or virgins, or ceo's, or gangsters or whatever and the authors pulled it off

Here he is just so incredibly....empty? The only purpose he serves is to please the female lead he has, and is, nothing else.

that’s a fair point about the ml. i see where you’re coming from, however don’t agree with him being empty as a whole mainly because when stories have the bad boy ceo/mafia chad ml, his faults usually lie in being emotionally void or sometimes even cold to the fl before being kind. with wattpad they’re never initially so open with their feelings and quick to do acts of service until the fl has benefited him in some way. while i get nice ceos who chase + have trauma are common place for manhwas, with wattpad the personality is just being a bad boy alone not the no-strings-attached devotion. i should’ve specified while this uses the korean media stereotype of the ceo/bad boy trope, i don’t believe it aligns with wattpad or popularized western version because their own take on it is to make him… purposefully flat? for that app, the ml upholds the traits of a bad boy, by being mean or careless initially, and only becomes kind in his attempt to use her or keep her from leaving. with this story, his only personality isn’t just being a mysterious traumatized tsundere until the very end, his acts of service haven’t been given room for explanation

ml’s devotion comes from a place that deeply changed him and not some cosmic attraction that suddenly got thrown into our lap. this itself is very manhwa-esque, throwing in the whole “we met in the past and i wish to help you now”. he hasnt been given depth yet because the story needed to focus on mc and her perspective with mincheol. i feel like seeing his side first or past this early would’ve thrown us off with all the stuff she has gone through and needs to work out. imo he’s not given the perfect ceo stereotype because he is manipulative and calculating. his kindness is self serving, yet also an act of gratitude- his intention is to be worlds better than the ex while still being authentic to his feelings. to summarize, i do agree his only personality at the moment is being good to her BUT it’s due to our main character being focused on. not because the story aims to make his characterization one dimensional the entire story

Hey first off I want to say im glad we are having a mature conversation

Tbh, I have not read much Wattpad. I only know it from seeing jokes about it or reading fanfiction, so my experience with original content is very limited in that regard. I was pretty much conflating Wattpad with manhwas because of the whole normal girl + bad boy gangster thing. I've never had much patience for guys who don't treat their partner right so if that's what most what pad fics are like I'm glad I avoided that lol.

On the perspective thing I kind of disagree. Most Korean(and Chinese) romance stories follow the same formula. She's a normal girl and he loves her for whatever reason. 9/10 they met when one was a kid lol. And in these stories most of them do not get much development. Sure maybe some trauma, a little bit of family drama sprinkled in, a dash of a major accident, but it all ultimately just serves to make the fl stand out more by being the one to save him from it. The "I can fix him" stereotype. I will be incredibly glad if you are right and I just miss read but so many manhwas have the guy just being this generic cold no personality dude who is only there to look good and make the self insert reader fantasize. They aren't allowed to have any actual flaws. Nothing sets them apart.

And it's fine cause I don't usually read stories for the male lead, I like reading about badass women and men being in fantastical situations, wish fulfillment and all that. But in the moments I want to read a story about a character genuinely worse off than me getting better, I want it to be realistic and well paced. Kind of like lookism(character development there was a+). She delivers well enough on that front, but him being the culmination of just so many tropes wrecks the experience for me.

And on the manhwa thing, maybe I'm just a brainless reader(which tbf I kinda am when I read romance, it's just fluffy nonsense) but I genuinely cannot remember a single romance Korean manhwa I liked where the male lead stood out to me in any particular way. Sure I remember SOME male leads, but they're mostly in my head cause I liked the story as a whole, not because of them.

Meanwhile, for mangas I remember son han from Akatsuki no Yona, or lan wangji from the Chinese novel/manhua modaozushi.

Despite lan wangji also being a cold, good at sex virgin ceo(? Ish) equivalent. And the only thing I can point towards is that despite that, he still had substance behind him because they both have motivations and ideals and people they care about outside of their romantic interest- who they are both obsessed with and treat incredibly well-. They don't become nothing once you take their lover out of the equation. That's something hard to see in most manhwas, so I kind of find it hard to believe this ml will be different(ESPECIALLY with the art dear God im sorry for always going back to that it just hurts my eyes) but it would honestly be cool if he did have more motivations than her. Or even more surprisingly, another person he genuinely cares about low low bar for these friendless losers lmfao

me too im glad we had a conversation instead of odd personal attacks towards each other. i find your opinions interesting, and they make sense given context

and yea the experience with wattpad is way different with manhwas. it’s been years since ive went back but this trope is done with the same style as any colleen hoover romance lmao. the standards of writing are lower on wattpad because its mainly a younger fanbase writing fanfiction for younger audiences. is there better stories? of course! but the main thing it’s known for is creating flat characters because its a beginner friendly space for writers. so the bad boy/ceo tropes always start off toxic, not wholesome like most mainstream straight manhwas. and his entire character is dressed up in the surface level traits

im replying multiple times so its easier to reply (⌒▽⌒)

and i do agree that they use the same formula of meeting when they were kids and then he finds her years later and chases her. the trauma is always a must too, all this is pretty much the standard for k-media romances . i don’t find it all surprising they used the same trope, but what i find enjoyable is that it’s not forced due to initial attraction. he most likely fell in love with her heart first, and she’s falling for him for the same reasons as well. the “cosmic attraction” i referred to is them having a soft spot for each other with no build up. in comparison, this story took time to show their bond growing stronger. imo, i do prefer stories where the ml is endlessly kind at first because seeing a man be mean to a girl for no reason pisses me off too i can’t do it LMAO. i genuinely think ml’s flaws lies in how secretive and calculating he is, and i really hope they can emphasize how his terrible background causes him to overcompensate in his (so far) one sided love with haesoo

i feel the same about reading stories for mostly the mcs, not the leads. if she isn’t given depth i literally cannot continue the story. tbr, i don’t mind if the male leads are treated as a one dimensional love interest if the fmc is able to carry the plot. i can’t remember any similar stories with ceo/bad boy tropes with good characterization at the moment because ive been reading more yaoi and isekai lately . but i do have other ml that stand out to me just in different settings! like the story olgami or the gyeongseong mermaid. i haven’t read lookism but the fl sounds great already

I LOVE HAN FROM AKATSUKI NO YONA. he’s hilarious and their banter/dynamic is perfect to me. that story is amazing and well developed, im gonna be devastated when it finishes. im not familiar with the other ml though from the chinese webtoon. ill pick that up because you made him sound so interesting and well rounded!

LMAO i also hate the art for this story and cannot stand how big they made them so uncanny. he’s oddly huge and small headed, while she’s as petite as a hair strand with the craziest curves . it doesn’t look to good on paper, but i do hope they get some other interests outside of each other (mainly about him). it looks like they’re building up a storyline where he’ll take over his fathers business in a hostile manner

I totally agree. As someone who luckily never experienced it myself, I never really understood how the Mc cope with it in other stories. Seeing it actually have an effect in his personality and his reactions is interesting

agree
but there's almost no point in including it since we know MC ends up with ML so in a way that almost makes it worse bc they're admitting it was assault and exploring the damages from it and STILL saying that assault can have a reasonable explanation ("I just wanted to drive him away!") and also portraying his assaulter as being a sympathetic character. People choose to forgive their rapists, yes, whatever helps a person get through the trauma, but literally any professional anywhere would highly recommend not staying in contact with them, and sure as fuck not being in a relationship with them, regardless of whether or not they apologize or appeart to be remorseful. You can never truly trust them again and once that trust is shattered that's it, the relationship is broken. It would only be even remotely appropriate at this juncture if MC didn't continue to associate with ML and ML spent the rest of his life guilty over it.
mind you I'm judging this from a realistic perspective **only** because they're attempting to portray it realistically. If they hadn't bothered to attempt realism, like most BL, I wouldn't even bother.

you made great points but i disagree with the overall statement. i think there’s an important and meaningful point in including after affects of rape even when the couple end up together. ofc this would never work irl but on the basis of fiction i love how it’s possible to explore harmful actions/feelings/and more without actually hurting a real person. it humanizes the character affected, and makes them have depth or relatability. instead of ignoring the biggest elephant in the room- the acknowledgment of an awful action is getting explored, even if the continuation isn’t followed through (not ending up with a rapist because the story explores how traumatic the experience was)

rapists will never atone enough and should never get a chance at redemption. when rape is given its rightful attention, i don’t think it’s trying to create sympathy for the perpetrator. with all the explanations you provided, i think we have to take into account what led up to this incident in question again. looking at it from a realistic perspective, it wasn’t to drive him away- it’s intention was to terrify and silence mc. it wasn’t an act full of self righteousness or impulse, the rape was done fully as an act of power and to assert his own strength over mc. ml isn’t some regular guy who works at an office job, he IS a shady criminal involved with drug dealing, murder, and overall violence. am i saying his rape was justified? fuck no! but his reaction to seeing someone he cared about witness something of that scale makes sense. mc was most likely supposed to die that night or at least be tortured into silence, but instead the ml did something just as evil… however in his mind less painful or life threatening. this isn’t praising ml either, but to explain why in this case them ending up together isn’t as crazy compared to other stories with rape since the was an such a heavy/crazy explanation to it

yea it’s important to have these discussions in any media! people should/will already have empathy towards rape victims: but the exploration of how they cope and seeing how it truly affects their day to day life is necessary. it shows how deeply it alters someone’s mental health forever without having to exploit or force a real person

you literally explained why it IS stupid and misogynistic to hate on her like she was pretty goddamn rational and being super hateful over her for no reason considering the nature of their relationship before is literally just unwarranted misogyny lmaooo? ... the cognitive dissonance is lwk insane

you literally ignored my entire critique. please reread and come back before trying to create a one sided argument. you have the cognitive dissonance because i deadass explained the reason i understand why people hate on her OR the ml = their own experiences with people that relate to either party’s way of thinking. i myself don’t hate either one and only said i see others pov since everyone has dealt with this type of misunderstanding on both ends… you’re purposefully ignoring that her actions can indeed be unlikeable too ??

no where was i justifying actual misogyny, aka readers hating on her JUST BECAUSE SHES A WOMAN. bean soup ass argument lmao

wish i could explain why you were slow but you blocked me too? guess someone was upset too aww

i dont really see any other reason for people to be hating on her unless they have some sort of internalized misogyny.
No, she wasn't letting him apologize and was clearly upset, but she literally had every right to be. HE HIMSELF had said that he was the problem in their relationship.

As someone who relates A LOT to the mc, even i can sympathize with her. She was trying so hard in their relationship, its only normal for her to snap…
The only two reasons I can think of for hating her is 1. Misogyny and 2. Lack of understanding about her and her character

And those who are just ignorant of her character and dont bother to understand her are def just brain dead
(This wasnt an attack towards you, sorry if it seems like so)

thank you for being respectful lmao. but i will have to disagree with most of this. what’s bothering me about the discourse is that people are generalizing good criticism against her = pure misogyny. yes there is misogyny here, im not defending or doubting that nor did i even call out the genuine misogyny up to say its justified. people are already doing that, however there’s another aspect being lost in translation. im ONLY talking about how people can hate her and/or ml because their actions can be similar to our irl experiences!! and it’s a cop out to say critiques of her are misogyny when her actions can be seen as awful too. you unintentionally proved my point that people will side with either party, again due to their subjective lived experience!! my main takeaway was that the hate or loving is justified because everyone’s is different

imo the mcs are unreliable narrators and even if he sees it as “his fault alone” she had responsibility in their falling out too because of the lack of communication prior. i can elaborate but im not sure if you’re interesting because you seem pretty set on hating her = misogyny or dumb… btw like i said in my original comment, i dont even hate her or either of them for that matter? i only claimed to understand the polarizing views

Having polarizing views and hating a character for no real reason is very different, im not talking about the people who simply relate to him more and are upset with her actions, but even then i feel like it was clear that she wasnt at fault for what happened…just my opinion though.
Also i understand what you said about you not being against either character, i was just saying that the only reasons i can think of for someone hating her is either they are misogynistic or simply dont understand why she acted the way she did

I didnt say they were dumb for hating her, i said people who are hating her purely because they dont even make an effort to understand her and then say stuff about how she was wrong for saying this or that are the ones who i feel may be lacking up there.

Also, about how people’s opinions lean more to who they relate to, while i 100% agree, my comment about my relating to him but understanding where she’s coming from, i dont see how it supports that sorrie if im being annoying

exactly but this is where the misunderstanding happened. i already agree people are misogynistic and wasn’t questioning that ?? my only take was that people are conflating criticism and blatantly grouping any/all differing takes on her with that. it’s literally all i mentioned. i wouldn’t say this talk was pointless but you argued for a completely different cause and i did too. you can have this opinion and take her side… that wasn’t the issue at all idc but in the same breath other people feel the same with his side, due to THEIR experiences and it’s not on the basis of misogyny

all that to say, im confused with people getting my opinion mixed up when im not even disagreeing the existence of misogyny when it comes to complex female characters. my issue is readers believing complexity = not deserving of hate. also you said certain readers are braindead so that’s why i mentioned dumb, when that’s not the case for those who hold her accountable. you did mention with it it’s those who’re “ignorant of her character and dont bother to understand her” but ive seen maybe three comments of people saying they hate her w/out explanation. while everyone else was giving valid, detailed reasons for why she’s not a blameless party

op i stand with you and agree with everything you've said here. some of these other comments are making me feel crazy because i keep seeing people be like "well, she meant well!" like since when have good intentions ever patched up the aftermath of a bad situation that came as a result of the behavior borne from those "good intentions"? people do things where they mean well all of the time but if the other party doesn't feel the same way about it then the intentions don't matter anymore and there needs to be a focus and an effort put into sorting out the disconnect. i've done this, and i'm sure plenty of people in these comments have as well, and it doesn't feel good when something you intended to be a boon for someone only turned into a curse.

i've also been on her end of the relationship where you do things for someone in hopes they might reciprocate, but even with all of that effort, they remain noncommittal and unresponsive. it hurts a lot to be in that position, but even still, i never spoke to that partner the way that she did at some points towards jinhyeong here, and i never tried to force them to do things i wanted them to do when i knew it made them uncomfortable. she crossed some pretty clear boundaries of his and never really asked him why those boundaries were in place, and i really diagree with the language she used towards him despite knowing the circumstances were delicate for him, and if it makes me misogynistic to find that aspect of her character unpleasant, then i'll be that i guess lmao.

me too, it’s fucking weird and diminishes any real conversation. it’s ironic because in their attempt to say hating/criticizing her is misogynistic, they’re not realizing it’s also feeding into misogyny to erase her complexity + make her a flat victim. they’re also being homophobic by calling her a “victim of a man trying out his sexuality” like be so fucking fr did you read with your eyes closed… he’s so clearly bisexual and it’s like they forgot his only problem while dating her stemmed from his own familial trauma NOT his sexuality ?? they’re projecting experiences that’s not even theirs and mixing up canon

both of their emotions in the relationship were valid but obviously their actions were not! i genuinely don’t think these people have ever been in relationships before, let alone with multiple genders lmao. her anger is SO relatable and real, but obviously misguided and focused on the wrong topic. she’s still hurt now, but is obviously not thinking straight because she’s doesn’t know how much he’s changed. she wants to take her anger out on him but instead of focusing on herself, it’s scrutinizing any of his explanations. people are hugely ignoring she was a people pleaser, and as you said went above and beyond for someone who wasn’t as eager. however i get his side because ml was also a people pleaser too but felt pressured/guilty because he never wanted those things but didn’t have the confidence to say no. he wasn’t ready to open up yet because he was still highly insecure and scared of her reactions!! readers forget this was his first real relationship, and because of both their anxiety they were constantly overcompensating in different manners

exactly, i feel like me and you had to have been reading a different story from some other people here. the whole thing happened in the way it did because she couldn't miss out on a single party, the type that she attended all the time, because she was desperate to maintain her connections and remain well-liked, clearly at all costs even if the cost was a boundary with someone she loved it is not misogynistic to say she could've done something different here like that's crazy.

fr… ive been in her shoes, which made me learn how people pleasing is manipulative and unhealthy- even if the actions themselves are kind. in some moments we see that her affection isn’t a gift, but a tight rope to make him fulfill requests that clearly make him uncomfortable. she never brought up her insecurities in the relationship, up until he was the one that broke and that was completely unfair. his trauma getting triggered made him spill his feelings in an awful way, but at the same time her resentment and emotional neglect got brought up as a way to dismiss how she made him feel

some of the people here believe he’s fully guilty because he said so ? but fail to realize it’s not the only truth because we see HIS thoughts alone. both their actions can be interpreted different ways based on who’s telling the story. i really think some readers struggle with a literacy issue if they can’t see how flawed his self-perception is at this point. his desire to place ALL the burden of their fall out gives us an understanding of his views but it’s not the objective truth. i do believe he’s more of the guilty party because of the ghosting and not giving her closure, but outside of that she actively participates in the detriment of their relationship and shut him down in the first place

Yes yes, 3 or more boyfriends to spoil him rotten.

I also love how author shows ML’s expressions more too. Some MLs have cold or stone faced expression during sex so.

this exactly!!

ME TOO, even outside of sex he’s so expressive! it’s really unique compared to other mls. i hate when a mc carries the relationship by being human and then the ml is an actual rock??? it’s refreshing

Exactly