MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 7:03 pm

But even this story couldn't get rid of the tropes we ve seen too much.

The Evil Stupid Bitch going crazy because of the ML and who is deliberately portrayed more uglier than conventional beautiful Tia.
The red haired mad violent annoying obessive second ML appearing from nowhere.
(Doesn't suffer the 2nd Lead syndrome since he is obvious worse than the kind ML)
The FL getting kidnapped and then saved by the ML so she will get romantically more closer to the him.
Two alphaholes fighting over the fragile delicate desirable FL.

    Nishi June 12, 2021 9:52 pm

    I don’t think it does.
    In most stories
    evil bitch: beautiful (sometimes more than the FL) loved or feared by most.
    What we saw here was
    A bitch: average look, only has one purpose not important to the rest of the story.

    As you see as soon as she did what was needed, she got killed off. She didn’t matter that much. Her purpose was to get the FL kidnapped and created a bridge between ML and FL.

    Also the FL is far from being fragile, remember that her tongue, legs and arms were cut off. Yet she still managed to cast a magical spell by bleeding out the rest of her tongue...fragile and delicate???

    Just because she doesn’t bare a sword or know how to fight physically, it does not mean she’s fragile. She can destroy kingdoms, and make kings. She has POWER. If people knew her value, she would be kidnapped endlessly.

    MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 10:08 pm
    I don’t think it does.In most stories evil bitch: beautiful (sometimes more than the FL) loved or feared by most.What we saw here wasA bitch: average look, only has one purpose not important to the rest of th... Nishi

    Yes, that was indeed the purpose of that disposable one dimensional stock character.

    I also see Tia as very resilient and powerful in her own way.

    But the way she was framed once the two tall prideful adonis guys starting fighting/trying to kill each other to get the price/princess...

    I just personally didn't like that tropey direction.

    Shay June 12, 2021 10:34 pm
    Yes, that was indeed the purpose of that disposable one dimensional stock character. I also see Tia as very resilient and powerful in her own way.But the way she was framed once the two tall prideful adonis guy... MangaAnger9

    I have yet to see the direction it's going. The red head remembers the past future/future past after all.. Idk, I still wonder what his role will be. Since he is an obvious madman (let's be honest, the shadowing on his face.. He's drawn as a villain not 2nd lead)

    kanjiro June 13, 2021 5:01 am

    This is such a shit take in my opinion.
    If you thought Aubrey was ugly, then that’s just your opinion and perceptions of beauty because she by NO MEANS WAS NOT unconventionally pretty. She checks all marks for what being conventionally pretty is, she just probably looked ugly to you because of her ugly attitude.

    A girl being kidnapped does not suddenly mean there’s a trope.. this is a clear unprecedented event to further the ML’s character growth, he quite literally shattered his old ideas about loyalty for the sake of Tia, this is not a standard trope to get a meaningless hug and kiss from the FL.

    And the worst take of all was saying that Tia is weak and delicate. Desirable? YES, she’s quite literally extraordinary in every way and extremely capable without having stupid FL super powers. But weak and delicate? She mustered severe abused for the sake of her maternal family’s success and did so with her own power, which she was not GIVEN AT ALL. Tia had to prove her worth to her family in order to seem useful, and was tortured for it.. idk about you and or anyone else but that doesn’t sound like a weak person. But I could agree that she is delicate, she is a soft person and sensitive when it counts.

    Overall, your post was a massive L.

    MangaAnger9 June 13, 2021 6:43 am
    This is such a shit take in my opinion. If you thought Aubrey was ugly, then that’s just your opinion and perceptions of beauty because she by NO MEANS WAS NOT unconventionally pretty. She checks all marks fo... kanjiro

    You shouldn't take this plot too seriously or feel too offended because of some other opinions that might threaten/challenge your well-invested view/love for the characters + the story.

    You don't want to communicate reasonably with me but rather insult and win against me by all means.

    But have it your way.

    kanjiro June 13, 2021 6:50 am
    You shouldn't take this plot too seriously or feel too offended because of some other opinions that might threaten/challenge your well-invested view/love for the characters + the story.You don't want to communi... MangaAnger9

    I’m good but you seem hurt??
    I just thought your opinion was an L,
    I started by saying that my take is also an opinion.

    Just yours lacked flavor.

    MangaAnger9 June 13, 2021 7:01 am
    I’m good but you seem hurt?? I just thought your opinion was an L, I started by saying that my take is also an opinion. Just yours lacked flavor. kanjiro

    Have a nice day

    kanjiro June 14, 2021 4:35 am
    Have a nice day MangaAnger9

    Right back at ya buckaroo

MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 3:33 pm

That the original heroine FL has so much agency of her own and self-awareness.
She is not a damsel in distress, a pitiful pure maiden, jealous dumb bitch or white lotus type. She is just a girl living her own life and decides against the safety route by not choosing the blonde manchild prince.
This is really a story about emancipation and empowerment.

MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 10:13 am

It kinda reminds me of Carmilla in Netflix Castlevania.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRJst54k6Fw
Carmilla Manipulates Godbrand - Carmilla's Motivations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSnbb8e7UY0
Carmilla's Motivations pt 2/2 | I will take the world from old men | Lenore

MangaAnger9 June 9, 2021 10:08 am

Does the FL always have to more Special than she already is?

MangaAnger9 June 9, 2021 5:52 am

When I started to read this webtoon I really thought it was a well written nuanced grounded story.

But then I noticed the tropes and that this story has becomes more of a typical soapy K-Drama:

The tortured almost perfect ML who is a target by anyone due to his talent and social status.
The grandfather who is the actual cause of this whole drama is still blameless.
The sexist uncle who can't defy or blame his own father but can only take it out on his nephew/ML.
A evil jealous dumb bitch in love with the ML and her childhoodfriend becomes Rose's 2nd annoying ML type and he turns out to be the bastard son the pathetic uncle.
At least four men are interested in Rose the FL and kinda fighting over her as manchildren.
The ex-secretary/assistant who betrayed the ML for some reasons still has to harm him...
The antagonist/Ex who is stupidly obsessed with Rose and is dumb enough to keep a derranged psycho with plot armor as a hitman on his side.
And Rose as the FL is put in danger because of her association with her younger ML.

So The whole plot is basically a melo K-Drama about wealth, conservative values, elitist dysfunctional family power struggle, how pitiful the handsome desirable priveledged ML is and how much the FL has to struggle & suffer.

The only character I care and relate is obviously Rose.

    HYÆCINTH June 9, 2021 11:00 am

    lmao ur right on the tropes. This is like a mixture of Lucky Romance x My Shy Boss x What’s Wrong with Secretary Kim

    MangaAnger9 June 9, 2021 1:49 pm
    lmao ur right on the tropes. This is like a mixture of Lucky Romance x My Shy Boss x What’s Wrong with Secretary Kim HYÆCINTH

    Good examples!

MangaAnger9 June 8, 2021 4:09 pm

It seems that Melissa isn't a chosen one, the soulmate of a superior tsundere obsessive ML, the original Villainess or Heroine that was reincarnated two-four times, a reincarnated goddess/deity, creation of some god etc...

She was just a plain modern regular Korean woman with an unapologetic badass attitude.

Correct me, if I am wrong... but I think she was either just an accident, uncalculated force to be reckoned with (you force someone to play a role but didn't expect they would become troule, a threat or your downfall) or some unknown force send her to help the heroine being stuck in a toxic trash romance novel that keeps repeating itself.
Melissa's final opponent is the creator/author of this novel world.

MangaAnger9 June 7, 2021 8:05 pm

That this ML ordered his men to kill the spy's entire family after he brutally tortured/killed him just for the sake of his FL...

I know, he is supposed to be a merciless tyrant and FL nurtured him this way...
But NO. I think this was really unneccessary.
I have no sympathy for perfect multitalented superior too cruel dark-haired lonely MLs with some tortured past becoming obsessed with the one only not like the other girls woman...
I can't relate with this novel archetype/stock character anymore!

MangaAnger9 June 7, 2021 7:50 pm

It looks like Arth has been orchestrating the poisoning of the Johann's Father the King.

I know that this royal shit family deserves the worst but I feel bad/shocked that Arth had to frame Johann like this...
Do you know what I mean?
Maybe I find it a little bit too cruel to make any father believe that his beloved son who loves him tries to poison him...
I was hoping that Johann is so spoilt rotten that he takes his father's love for granted.
But then they are really very shitty characters....

And this is less worse when the ML killed/ordered his men to murder an entire family just because they are blood related to a spy who wanted to harm the FL in "I Tamed a Tyrant and Ran Away".
That was way too cruel. There are no hints that this family were full of scumbags.

https://copytoon142.com/%EC%95%85%EB%85%80%EC%9D%98-%EC%95%A0%EC%99%84%EB%8F%99%EB%AC%BC-98.html

    Yuki~tan June 12, 2021 7:42 am

    I will agree that it's too cruel for a father to know his beloved son wants to kill him but I do think they deserve it.
    Johannes as we all know is a total asshole that cannot be saved, death is his best ending but his parents are no better, they are just like him, they only care about their son and themselves, they are not ordinary people they are Rulers and they need to think about their empire and considering all that I have learnt about their character, it makes me wonder how the hell does that empire still exists!?
    And the fact how miserable both of them make Rebecca feel makes me very very acceptable of this ending.

    MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 7:53 am
    I will agree that it's too cruel for a father to know his beloved son wants to kill him but I do think they deserve it. Johannes as we all know is a total asshole that cannot be saved, death is his best ending ... Yuki~tan

    I don't disagree with anything what you ve said.
    I just didn't expected Arth to be that machiavellian...
    But I do understand that Arth and the others had to take down this corrupt Royals:

    Talking about a sympathetic machiavellian character: MARY KILLS PEOPLE 2017-2019

    Yuki~tan June 12, 2021 8:59 am
    I don't disagree with anything what you ve said.I just didn't expected Arth to be that machiavellian...But I do understand that Arth and the others had to take down this corrupt Royals:Talking about a sympathet... MangaAnger9

    Really, actually I expected Arth to do something like this, I mean he is kind but only to Sasha and her friends whom he has come to love, he is very very rational and can manipulate people to get the job done, definitely don't want him as my enemy (≧∀≦) and since we see his sweet side all the time we forget that.

    And haven't watched that series, so I have no idea, sorry ╥﹏╥

    MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 10:56 am
    Really, actually I expected Arth to do something like this, I mean he is kind but only to Sasha and her friends whom he has come to love, he is very very rational and can manipulate people to get the job done, ... Yuki~tan

    Good point.

    It was just a recommendation ;)

    Yuki~tan June 12, 2021 12:41 pm
    Good point.It was just a recommendation ;) MangaAnger9

    Ow thank youヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 3:12 pm
    Ow thank youヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~ Yuki~tan

    One more thing:

    I ve been thinking and I realized that Arth is still a fair decent sympathetic character. Even though he had to use this underhanded cruel method/scheme, his targets are asshole who really deserves it.
    And I like that we see a scene where he feels intimidated by Rebecca getting dark.
    It shows us he isn't that of an overpowered mastermind.

    Arth is still better than the ML Prince Tyrant Dylan from "I Tamed a Tyrant and Ran Away". That darkhaired ML is so multitalented, overpowered, goodlooking and priveledged enough that I can't relate to. I still can't sympathize with his shallow sad backstory that he is the 13th prince, has a beloved poor mistreated mother and that he is so lonely + bored because he is a hidden genius.
    In the first timeline he ruled the empire in the shadows.
    In the second timeline the FL made him into the perfect tyrant who unexpected only simps obsessively for her.
    What crossed the line is that he ordered his men to brutally kill the entire family of a spy that he also tortured for the sake of his FL and that he turned his scum father into the same thing immortal sword thing when the FL Charlize was once in the original timeline, instead of letting her to kill him.
    The FL was very horrified since she knows the horrors being immortal and forever trapped in a sword. Then she rans away, ML finds her some years later, somehow bond together and face a greater enemy together from another country who gave the formular of turning people into unbreakable magical sword to the shit emperor. And there is the devoted 2nd ML who came out from nowhere and it was revealed he was the only one who actually cared for the FL in the original timeline.
    I was interested in the story because I like the idea that a mistreated daughter abandoned + getting revenge on her patriarchal patronizing family.
    But then I realize how glamorized, pretentious and melodramatic this story is.
    The characters are so shiny beautiful, grand, inhumane, larger than life etc...
    I don't care about their problems anymore.

    My recommendation about more relatable unusual interesting FLs breaking free from a toxic family:

    The Peerless Alchemist (Yes, she is op but very engaging, has two animals/mounts gay for each other + a male waifu), Beware of the Villainess, The Monster Duchess & The Contract Princess, Untouchable Lady and The Way to Protect the Female Lead's Older Brother.
    And there is no brooding dark haired superior tsundere stalker ML with a torture past where the FL has to rely on to survive/succeed by charming him/satisfying his ego!!!

    Yuki~tan June 12, 2021 6:09 pm
    One more thing:I ve been thinking and I realized that Arth is still a fair decent sympathetic character. Even though he had to use this underhanded cruel method/scheme, his targets are asshole who really deserv... MangaAnger9

    Oh my God, how can you think so much like me.
    Those recommendations you gave, are perfect I totally love those and peerless alchemist is one of those Chinese manhwa's that will not disappoint you, I'm so glad it's being updated again.

    And Dylan is ok but the only reason I still love that webtoon is Charlize, I'm a major simp. But relatable, not very much.
    And this is what makes villainess's pet very very special, every one of the main characters are made so so well and they are so relatable, they have their struggles and problem, not something exaggerated and dark which they overcome in such a natural manner and you can see their character development like none other webtoons, I absolutely love it. And when you reread this webtoon you can understand even better how beautiful their inter person relationships are.
    And about Arth's genius I'm totally agreeing with that too, he has come to understand love, his cruel side is only for the corrupt and has done everything solely for the happiness of all the people that deserve it.

    MangaAnger9 June 12, 2021 6:55 pm
    Oh my God, how can you think so much like me.Those recommendations you gave, are perfect I totally love those and peerless alchemist is one of those Chinese manhwa's that will not disappoint you, I'm so glad it... Yuki~tan

    Hello fellow kindred spiritヾ(☆▽☆)

    I can't stand seeing and sympathizing with the violent brooding dark-haired superior perfect conventional attractive ML of priveledged noble royal background with golden, silver, red or blue eyes anymoreΣ(  ̄□ ̄||)

    Arth is really unconventional and a real ambitious self-reflective underdog!

    The Pet of the Villainess also show us the importance of female friendships/womance and not the cliche plot of evil jealous dumb bitches fighting over a man.

    Even though I also wish that Rebecca and Sasha can be either a loving same sex couple or a pply throuple with Arth, Rebecca being satisfied being single, becoming a duke and staying in a close platonic loving relationship with Sasha - her liberator.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCeH19PIk8U
    Legally Blonde and the History of the “Dumb Blonde”
    In this video the blonde and the brunette become best/goods friends and dumbs the man they were crazy about.

    Yuki~tan June 13, 2021 8:22 pm

    I can feel you, I love it when the ML is a sweetheart, a cinnamon roll from the start and even if he is a tyrant, gives basic respect to humans, that's my fav and I love Arth for that.

    Yes, this webtoon does a great job at that, no 3rd woman coming between the main couple being a bitch, most of them are so supportive of each other, I absolutely love that, this webtoon is the epitome of positive energy and relationship.

    And I wanted Rebecca x Sasha ending too, like that was the best ship ever for this webtoon, though I absolutely adore arth I can't love him more than Rebecca, she deserved Sasha so much but her decision of being the heir is absolute amazing and I hope she doesn't end up with anyone, I feel it will be a little forced, she can marry whomever in the future but an ending with a strong Duchess Rebecca out their kicking new knight recruits ass would be the best(≧∀≦)

    I'll add that in my watch list, thanks, I love stories like that, love endings are nice but a ending where love isn't always required is great too.

MangaAnger9 June 7, 2021 5:53 pm

The only characters I care about is Leslian and Leonie.

Problem is Leonie is the typical damsel in distress devoted maid with no real agency or a life on her own. But at least she has great chemistry with Leslian, how ironic...

MangaAnger9 June 7, 2021 5:35 pm

I am still getting used to the current change of artstyle/character design....

    sppam June 7, 2021 10:53 pm

    Right... can't tell if I like it or hate it lol- I think I'm more emotionally attached to the old one since we read over 100 chaps with that style

    MangaAnger9 June 8, 2021 3:57 pm
    Right... can't tell if I like it or hate it lol- I think I'm more emotionally attached to the old one since we read over 100 chaps with that style sppam

    In season 2 they lhad more realistic human features.

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