MangaThinker's Topics (942)

Can you recommend me some of the stories like you writing in your comment?

The closest thing that comes to my mind is Level 99 Villainess and Untouchable Lady.

Thank you(⌒▽⌒)

Unsure. Looks good but I get what your saying.

Damn, that was a lot of good points you just made there... what Yoshino’s cousin said to her in the last chapters about Kirishima being like a wild animal was right on. He’s really dangerous and the only thing that keeps her safe is the fact that he has that twisted love for her. I would root for Shouma but I get the distinct feeling that Kirishima would kill him if he got together with Yoshino

Um excuse me did u forget that he's a Yakuza and not just a average high school boy and Yakuza means he's an underworld criminal so do u seriously expect him to be all fluffy romantic kind and cute I think u didn't get the concept of the manga at all

Say it again, for the people in the back!!

It doesn't matter if he is Yakuza, Mafia or not.

What matters is how he is being framed by the narative.

I mean just only recently did he face some consequences by Yoshino's grandfather.

I like stories where nobody is truly helpless or overpowered/invincible.
There are always real consequences unlike in Supernatural.

I really like to recommend the tv show Netflix Castlevania all four seasons.

I actually agree more with this than the original comment. Of course Shouma is different. HE IS PART OF HER FAMILY. Stop treating any male that's nice to the mc and is not directly blood related to her as a possible ml or 2nd ml. Honestly he is as protective of her as the others. Only closer cuz they are closer in age and raised as siblings.
They are yakuza and yes that matters A LOT. Or did you miss her preparing gifts for him to give to his girlfriends/lovers? Or how she was ready to sell her kidney for money? And he's not just sime thug, he is raised as next leader. Same with Shouma. You can bet he has at least the same amount as blood in his hands, if not more since he has to prove himself as a adopted son.

Him being like this is way more natural than he falling for her at first sight and treating her like a porcelain doll full of pampering and no psychological depth or character growth. What kind of bullcrap yakuza is inoffensive? This was an arranged marriage none of them were that interested in. They are both getting to know each other and Yoshino would have those worries whomever she was to marry. Even if it was Shouma she would be worried if he liked her or if it was only for the head position.

She only accepted him now because only now she believes he is starting to have feelings for her because he trusted her even knowing she could end up hurt. If he had completely stopped her from getting involved and forced her to stay home she would not accept him. I don't see her as inferior to him the same way you do. She has a different way to deal with them instead of the I'm a strong (physically and authoritatively/psychologically) like Melissa or Luxia... and those two are not dealing with their love interests while acting like that. In particular Melissa can't really be that way with Nine.

And if she got really mad or tired of dealing with him she would act it. She is not afraid of him hurting her. Her family backing is no worse than his. And as you said there's consequences. If anything really happened to her he'd be tortured then killed... and his own old man would probably help with it instead or going to war over it...

He might have more freedom to act and be reckless... but the one with the final say over their relationship is her. And as someone from yakuza she knows what she can interfere with and what she shouldn't. She is not stupid, not innocent nor weak. She isn't getting with a yakuza heir in hopes of him changing or leaving that world or turning her face away and ignoring his dealing with underworld matters while being encased in a protective glass like most fls...

She is not a common person dragged into a relationship with a ml that's superior to her in status and used that against her. She is of the same status. On those CEO romances she wouldn't be the weak commoner that got the interest of the overbearing ml. She would be the fiancé who's a heiress of another group in a political marriage that is learning how to deal with him...

Idk what you were expecting of a yakuza centered comic... law abiding, mentally stable and romantically pure characters?

To sum it up you have a strong fable for Kirishima, I presume.

Why else would you be so defensive about this ML and Story and throwing agressively your counter arguments/interpretations against my opinion....

We just have to agree to disagree.

Yankumi huh... yup... totally... To start with he is a star student that goes to a elite school and is pretty popular with other students. He also don't involve normal students in his business. So as a teacher she got nothing on him. As a minor envolved with yakuza she would be shut up too cuz he is a heir and is being raised to take over.

There's also relationships between the groups to consider... but all in all... he would shut her up by mentioning how she keeps in the fence about being a yakuza or not and how she involves her students with their way of life and morals. I think he wouldn't respect her way of life and think she does things half-assedly.

Physically... like fight wise... he would first ask her if she would be doing it as a member of yakuza or as a meddlesome civilian. In which case he would tell her to back off. If she accepted it... he would complain about having to deal with a woman... and proceed to beat her... He does have training in martial arts, the experience in fights and no compassion for hurting someone taken as enemy. And Yankumi... martial arts aside part of her strength is plot armor... That if he didn't point a weapon at her and called out her naivety as not differentiating reality and her delusions of how yakuza should be.

Romantically... he wouldn't be the least interested... he'd think she is ugly and stupid... and again... he wouldn't like her attitude nor way of living...

So... yeah... It got long but he would be able to deal with her... but not the other way around...
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About his personality and relationship with yoshino I commented on it before so I'll skip it...

You really have a thing for toxic asshole characters like Kirishima, no matter what...

There is nothing more to say.

Well... I just think it would be weird to expect him to be a prince charming when it's not that kind of story... I don't really like the way he pursued her too... I just believe she has what it takes to push him away if she really decides on it. Instead of liking him is more of thinking his twisted personality suits his environment and that Yoshino has what it takes to domesticate him... That was just my view and we already agreed to disagree...

Oh... and it wasn't my intention to come off aggressively...

But... how do you think Yankumi would deal with him?

Your reaction or the way you defended Kirishina reminds me very much of the Re:Zero Fans how they worship the MC Subaru and keep attacking you with very long counter arguments until they think they ve won.

Domesticating him... The Beauty and The Beast Syndrome.
Yoshino may be an hardass but in context she still fullfill the role of the "not like other girls" and ever the struggling/suffering" FL who will eventually make the twisted manchild Alphahole less shitty...
And it is still debatable and speculation if she actually can put him in his place.
Chapter 21 just made me more aware of how fucked up toxic dangerous he is and that she can barely... She can only react...

Maybe you ll understand better my dislike for MLs like Kirishima, if you watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mFWU352L4
Abusive Behaviours in Korean Drama

I think there is no point to keep the conversation going.
I would say Yankumi would do this and that and you will try to undermined my arguments. Then in turn I would debunk your facts about Kirishima... It would never end.
It's plain and simple: You adore the Kirishima type and I despise it very much.
So let's better leave it.

Have a nice day

I just realized sth and have to ask...

What was exactly Yoshino's goal again? Does she actually have agency?
The way I see it now is this story is about a proud hardass girl putting up with a twisted superior toxic manchild and her life currently revolves mostly about him...

Man, I love absolutely everything you said. Every thread you respond on is just absolutely in point.

Honestly.... haa... in no moment I tried to convince you otherwise of your own opinion. I told you mine and explained why I think so. You are the one that are acting with a one track mind pushing anything I say as "you like that kind of psycho and I hate it so I'll ignore what you say". In no moment I said he is even likeable or that his behavior is acceptable. I said again and again that it is in tone with his position as someone who's been raised as a yakuza heir. Idc if you like him or not that was never the point of this talk like you keep trying to make it be.
You are right, domesticating war the wrong therm to use. Beauty and the Beast? The point is that she is not a Beauty in that standard. She is "not like other girls" cuz her standing point is the same as him. So she is more of another beast instead. Even that beating he got is only cuz she is who she is. She never tried to make him less shitty, on the contrary she confronted him over him acting more normal than he is.

Yes there's a lot of abusive behavior in kdrama, but this is not a kdrama. And Yoshino is not the type of Mc that would take it lying down. This is what you keep ignoring and downgrading about her.

I don't like Re:Zero nor Subaru. And in case you didn't know that how conversations work. You give your opinion someone gives theirs and you talk about what you agree and disagree and the whys.

I had already agreed to put down his behavior and relation with Yoshino and even changed the subject by asking your answer of a question you asked yourself after answering. Instead you just keep repeating how bad he is and how anything I say is invalid since you branded me a Kirishima lover...

If I would act like you do I'd keep calling you someone into inc*st for thinking someone she thinks as a brother a better ml even when he probably treats othe women as nothing and is only nice to her cuz she is family and he would be killed otherwise. And keep repeating it over and over again while ignoring whatever else you say.

You don't seem to know or be ready to have a normal conversation over the internet so we really better leave it.

Good day to you too.

Thanks... xD
I like both Kirshimai and Shouma as characters... both have a dark side... I wish to see Shouma's too...

But it's weird to see so many people shipping him with the MC... I guess that's the effect of so many fauxcest romance popping up lately...

I trully wish he gets a sidestory... Not with Yoshino obviously... even Nao would be better in that regard... ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Yep, totally agreed on that.

I don't think they r defending him instead they r defending the story cos him being a prince charming Yakuza as u all expect him to be will ruin the whole plot of this manga him being a toxic criminal be makes the story more interesting and unique cos it's not everyday u get to see a story like this we all do love fluff which make us fall in love with the ml but this manga is more about the story than the ml the uniqueness of this manga attracts the readers which is the ultimate goal of an author because most of us r tired of reading the same shit everyday and this manga takes us on a new journey

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Yep. That's exactly it.

They are yakuza, criminals, and plan on continuing to be. And it would not make sense if they don't act so.

Most plots with yakuza in it try to show "a love outside being a criminal". With them trying to hide it, abandon that life, pampering, or shielding their s/o from anything that has to do with it. Only using their "yakuza power" it openly to pursue or protect the love interest. They also tendo to change prom the playboy who sleeps around and go to s*x workers frequently to a i never really been in love before and cut ties with all the other and want only you. Finalized with the s/o being a civilian that accepts the other despite they being a yakuza... the classic i already loved them so much my only option was to accept it.

In this one on the other side they are all yakuza, including Yoshino. This is a romance between yakuza. They don't need to hide their criminal side from each other. It is interesting because of it. There's already too much of the villain×heroine stories... a villain×villain (or daughter of a villain) is refreshing... ╮(￣▽￣)╭

You’re on fire

But the archetype/story of the arrogant obsessive ML with sado-maso violent tendencies towards his love interest is not that unique at all. If you search more, you will discover there are plenty enough stories (movies, dramas, mangas, manhwas, manhuas from all Asia) about his type of ML.

It would subvert the expectations and be quite groundbreaking, if he doesn't end up with the FL at all.

Yes. That stereotype is very common. And in most cases the tone it down a little when the ml "comes to terms with their feelings" after making them suffer a lot they finally get that they love them and doesn't want to hur them anymore... I do agree with you that it is overly popular and it got boring besides the behavioral problems in it.
I don't know how much it will get toned down in the case of this one, because he is already fairly obsessed (protective) with her and as with Nao matters Yoshino wouldn't accept being treated as a porcelain doll and left out.

That is actually the biggest point of this and differentiate it from others... Yoshino. Usually the "she's not like the others" is the pure, not greedy for money or power, innocent civilian type... And that's kinda how Yoshino acted after she just arrived in Tokyo... partly in response to how weirdly normal he acted too... which confused her.. and got him uninteressed... after that first fight? between them and her going back to normal, acting with him as she would act around her people in Osaka that he got interested.

Again. This is not about him. He is trash... and we know it. This is about her. She being raised around those kind of men and knowing how to deal with it. She wasn't raised like Yankumi with the option of going to marry a civilian and living a normal life if she wanted. I mean... she probably could if she wanted. But she was raised to be a proper Yakuza madam... I think it didn't even crossed her mind marrying outside the yakuza...

They not ending together would really be a interesting twist. And I did love Hirunaka for the mc not ending with the teacher. But it would also be nice to see them ending together with her being his equal and not only out of love but out of respect. A king need a queen to rule by his side, not a princess he needs to protect. Obviously she would be a queen no matter whom she marries... but he would probably not find someone as good as her after that...

Thats why I ship Shouma with Tsubaki instead with Nao for example... because Tsubaki is already part of that world...
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So I dont really have an answer for this, but I do have speculation. Her nephew's birth killed her sister, someone she was super close to. He also didn't resemble her sister at all and instead looked like the bastard that abandoned her. To vent her frustration at suddenly losing her sister and being left with a kid who looks like a guy she hates, she would mistreat him. Its not a great reason to hurt him, but it makes sense.

In the Novel Update Spoilers she wasn't that evil + selfish and he forgave her.

But still... I never expected the Fl being the original...

What do you mean by FL being the orignal?

I think they mean that she was the abusive aunt in her past life then reincarnated to the future and read a novel about her life then got reincarnated/time travel(?) Back as the aunt.

Yupp

You ve nailed it. So what do you think about the FL being originally abusive towards her nephew?

Normally I would wish any abuser or bully a horrible death....

For the spoilers that I have read, it seems that she doesn't remember her first life? I don't know, if reincarnation really existed, and one of my past lives did something horrible, I would not feel responsible for their doing, as I am a different person even if in theory we share the same soul.

The only things I have to say about it is, it seems unnecessary, like, does it serve a purpose that she is leaving her 3rd life? And, well, even if that's the case, she already paid for her sins by being killed, so fair enough I guess.

I guess she did get punished for her former life mistakes, reforms in modern Korea World and now at the present she is atoning even unaware.

Yeah, and I know abuse shouldn’t be justified but the reason she was able to reincarnate as well the third time like this was because Luca eventually forgave(or something like that) her because he thought it was understandable how aunt eventually felt towards him. And even then, the reason why she died in the first life anyway was because in the end she ultimately wanted to save Luca from the actual villain when she found out the villain wanted to kill Luca.

Yes he was raped by his ex wife in young age. And that's how Blanche did born.

Thanks for telling that makes a lot of sense.

Ywc :))))

I stan BOTV's Mc so hard! The way she humiliates the prince so hard that he practically became a eunuch was beautiful!

There's this fanfic of bnha where Deku can see ghost.it has 60 chapts. I can give you the link if you want to that-

Thank you, but I am good.

You know... Cale would probably risk his life to save her lololol.