MangaAnger9 March 2, 2021 9:03 am

I know we shouldn't blame the Uke...Rather we can blame the author for even creating such situation/storyline...

Why didn't they think of any safeguards first?
Why does the Uke have suddenly PTSD?
What happened to the originally introduced personality of the Uke?
I think there is an inconsistency about the characterization of the Uke...
Why does the Uke have to endure so much humiliation, assault and rape?
You can explain it however you want but the fact is Uke Jace has taken the complete stereotypical victim role.
From what I remember from the Chinese Raws that I can't find anymore there is gonna be a aristrocratic jealous lady bitch and the Seme Duke becomes more heroic + dominant while the Uke suffers more...

When I started to read this story I thought I would be following the journey of a bold tough calculating commoner smartass who has some vulnerbilities but still tenacious and really seduced the Duke not because he is drunk or drugged...
Instead the author has turned Jace slowly into very weak fragile helpless Damsel stereotype.
Now I wish Jace would be more like Abigail in movie The Favourite 2018.

Jace may not have much power about the circumstances but he should at least have some dignity/proud and control about his own feelings.

    Nick March 2, 2021 9:19 am

    LITERALLY MY THOUGHTS plus why does the author feel the need to include rape so much in the story like there are other ways to convey a point in the story with out sexual assault

    MangaAnger9 March 2, 2021 9:29 am
    LITERALLY MY THOUGHTS plus why does the author feel the need to include rape so much in the story like there are other ways to convey a point in the story with out sexual assault Nick

    My best guess is this isn't really about Jace the Uke but making the shit tsundere Duke more hot and heroic.

    It's the basic overused plot device/ concept: The more the FL/Uke suffers the more likely the ML/Seme will become more ideal approachable available...

    How many times did Bella, Sookie and Elena have to be put into insufferable situations so their emotionally unavailable brooding fuckboys can change for the better???

    Nick March 2, 2021 9:39 am
    My best guess is this isn't really about Jace the Uke but making the shit tsundere Duke more hot and heroic.It's the basic overused plot device/ concept: The more the FL/Uke suffers the more likely the ML/Seme ... MangaAnger9

    Right and i feel like it’s a whole ploy to give the duke some sort of “redemption” after he raped him. Basically they make Jace suffer, have the duke “save” him and then bam everyone is supposed to forget about the rape because he showed some type of affection towards him/rescued him.

    Nick March 2, 2021 9:55 am
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    Omg I didn’t even realize I spoiled I’m sorry

MangaAnger9 March 1, 2021 1:31 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcAYJtuaY-4

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MangaAnger9 March 1, 2021 1:35 am

The characters have become too stupid for me, Seme is a shitty abusive tsundere and uke is unfortunately always the (rape) victim.

At the beginning the uke had a lot of guts and was so witty but now he is just dumb, insecure and helpless.
Is it possible that the author dumbed him down so the seme duke becomes more heroic?

    Shan March 1, 2021 2:05 am

    But he was literally rape to when Jace first got drunk

MangaAnger9 February 28, 2021 8:56 pm

Are these authors running out of original names? ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

This is the 3rd MC/FL with the name Tia ( ̄∇ ̄")

The Abandoned Empress + The Villainess Lives Twice

We even have two "Niveas" in Anyone Can Become a Villainess + I don't love you anymore

But still, YOU GO GIRL!!! Keep hitting him with the book ^^
This is the first time I see a reincarnated conventional girl physically hitting back so hard (▰˘◡˘▰)

MangaAnger9 February 27, 2021 2:37 pm

He/They is such a great unique progressive sexual fluid progressive badass queer character ヾ(☆▽☆)^

I mean when a red haired appears in any romance manga/manwah/webtoons he is usually a psychotic violent sadistic bastard.

But not BOSS KIMヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    SayerSong March 11, 2021 3:30 am

    Yeah. I THINK that Zihao is still using the pronoun he, but I haven't been able to figure out Boss Kim yet. I think Boss Kim adjusts the pronoun for what clothes are being worn. Like when in women's clothes Boss Kim uses she, and when in men's clothes Boss Kim uses he. I THINK. But no matter what pronouns they use, I would LOVE to be friends with them just because ALL the main characters are SO MUCH fun!

MangaAnger9 February 26, 2021 12:48 pm

And I hate the trope that the Uke gets so easily cheated on, assaulted, drugged and (gang)raped.

    donna February 26, 2021 12:54 pm

    me too*deep sigh*. wait telenovela? this is a troupe in telenovelas too? scandalous!
    The worst part is it doesnt even make sense cuz it in know way helps his cause. so if the dude does break up with his bf over his ex having him gang raped, what would make him want to get with someone who does that and could possibly do that to him in the future too? its weird

    MangaAnger9 February 26, 2021 2:28 pm
    me too*deep sigh*. wait telenovela? this is a troupe in telenovelas too? scandalous!The worst part is it doesnt even make sense cuz it in know way helps his cause. so if the dude does break up with his bf over ... donna

    Youtube - Funny or Die - TELENOVELAS ARE HELL

MangaAnger9 February 25, 2021 11:17 am

From my perspective FL has it now too good and ML is just a tortured horny Superman.

MangaAnger9 February 25, 2021 10:52 am

That the original heroine is so much more competent than the FL who is so clumsy and stupid that she gets tossed around a lot.

MangaAnger9 February 25, 2021 10:34 am

Is it really forgivable that he tried to kill the FL/MC who hasn't actually done anything wrong?

I personally have sometimes murderous thoughts/fantasies towards people I resent but I can't relate to the archetypical (dark haired) revenge driven feared killer ML who either manhandles, threatens or attempt to kill the FL who just wants to survive.
And the FL always heals and falls in love with the tsundere bad boy...

I know this fantasy romance escapism but I can't help to question this logic.

Take for example, Bridgerton where the FL Daphne is proposed by a really nice honest respectful mature prince Friedrich but instead she chose to marry the tortured brooding Fuckboy Duke Simon!
Just marry the goddamn obvious better option!!!

By the way, there are a 3rd + 4th ML who magically fall in love with FL Jubellian AND really wants her to be happy. But they give up because the 1st ML is the crown prince...

    IbzGema February 25, 2021 10:41 am

    I think (didn't read it) that he came into the prison by her father's orders. He was going to rescue her, but she committed suicide before she could be rescued.

    Kttrinah February 25, 2021 10:50 am
    I think (didn't read it) that he came into the prison by her father's orders. He was going to rescue her, but she committed suicide before she could be rescued. IbzGema

    Oohhh this makes sense... but I wonder why her father gave her a sword in the first place?

    IbzGema February 25, 2021 10:54 am
    Oohhh this makes sense... but I wonder why her father gave her a sword in the first place? Kttrinah

    To defend herself, or maybe it was magical and allowed her to escape, as it was said that no weapon or magic worked inside that cage..

    MangaAnger9 February 25, 2021 10:54 am
    I think (didn't read it) that he came into the prison by her father's orders. He was going to rescue her, but she committed suicide before she could be rescued. IbzGema

    I am more talking about when he entered secretly her room with the intent of getting rid of her for his own ambitions

    MangaAnger9 February 25, 2021 10:57 am
    Oohhh this makes sense... but I wonder why her father gave her a sword in the first place? Kttrinah

    The tsundere father gave her stupidly the sword for self-protection.
    But because he wasn't capable of communicating with her honestly, she (her first incarnation) keeps misunderstanding.

    IbzGema February 25, 2021 11:43 am
    I am more talking about when he entered secretly her room with the intent of getting rid of her for his own ambitions MangaAnger9

    He wanted to get rid of the reason why the father is under the Emperor's control.. Maybe we would think of doing the same...

MangaAnger9 February 25, 2021 8:54 am

Isn't the villainous cousin Toby coded as stereotypically queer???

For a gay person like me it is kinda insulting/offensive.

    no idea February 26, 2021 10:49 pm

    You see he can't be queer since he asked FL to marry him so it's not actually homophobic. /s

    MangaAnger9 February 27, 2021 12:55 am
    You see he can't be queer since he asked FL to marry him so it's not actually homophobic. /s no idea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTkFyOfZB78
    Queercoding in Disney Villain Songs | Dreamsounds
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8pDYbPSKlU
    Why Are Disney Villains Gay / Queer?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBpJgjpiLCE
    A Brief History of Queer Coding in Cinema | Film History

    no idea February 27, 2021 11:54 am
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTkFyOfZB78Queercoding in Disney Villain Songs | Dreamsoundshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8pDYbPSKlUWhy Are Disney Villains Gay / Queer?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBpJgjp... MangaAnger9

    I know that the /s stands for sarcasm, I'm sick and tired of this crap.
    Sorry if you misunderstood I was trying to lighten the mood. The best way to piss of homophobes is to make fun of them I've found

    MangaAnger9 February 27, 2021 2:21 pm
    I know that the /s stands for sarcasm, I'm sick and tired of this crap.Sorry if you misunderstood I was trying to lighten the mood. The best way to piss of homophobes is to make fun of them I've found no idea

    Sorry that I didn't get it.

    I like to recommend the bl manhua "Men's Wear Store and Her Royal Highness" because there is long red haired androgynous sexual fluid non binary male character who is very gorgeous, cool, dignified and sexy :)

    no idea February 27, 2021 5:25 pm
    Sorry that I didn't get it.I like to recommend the bl manhua "Men's Wear Store and Her Royal Highness" because there is long red haired androgynous sexual fluid non binary male character who is very gorgeous, c... MangaAnger9

    I'm ready Men's wear store but it's been awhile, gonna check out the second one. I've stumble across this gem http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/shimanami_tasogare/ a few weeks ago it's full of representation and different characters. Anonymous is a queen.

    no idea February 27, 2021 5:28 pm
    I'm ready Men's wear store but it's been awhile, gonna check out the second one. I've stumble across this gem http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/shimanami_tasogare/ a few weeks ago it's full of representation and... no idea

    Never mind it's been too long I'm dum, Her royal highness is the second part of the title I always just call it men's wear store.(─.─||)

    MangaAnger9 February 27, 2021 5:30 pm
    I'm ready Men's wear store but it's been awhile, gonna check out the second one. I've stumble across this gem http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/shimanami_tasogare/ a few weeks ago it's full of representation and... no idea

    Also read it. Very bold, humane and surreal storytelling about LGBT people.

    MangaAnger9 February 27, 2021 5:32 pm
    Never mind it's been too long I'm dum, Her royal highness is the second part of the title I always just call it men's wear store.(─.─||) no idea

    Happens to anyone.

    effa June 5, 2021 6:04 am

    this novel is probs from the 80s or smthg which explains the queer coding. But yea, toby actually looks fine I wish he wasn't written as a villain

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