If there was a scene in a shojo/josei manga in which the man told the woman that he only used her for sex, no one would be questioning his sexual orientation. We would all (rightly) view him as a manipulative, selfish hetero man and leave it at that.
Yet once it involves two men it's very easy for some of us to allow a question to remain and buy into Yuuya's argument. You know, Yuuya the homophobic, manipulative ass. Why?
Heterosexuality is not the default, y'all.
I buy into it because having sex does not define your sexual preference - that is still up to you. Experimentation is okay. More commonly it is pretending to be hetero - like in the josei scenario, if the guy said he was using the girl for sex but was actually gay, I would believe that he was actually gay.
Gay, strait or bi, Yuuya is still a manipulative, selfish jerk.
Let's not get it twisted--sexual activity does help to define one's sexual preference. One doesn't have to be sexually active to first define it, but one's sexual desire--or its absence--*is* a factor. (It's called *sexual* orientation, hello. Words mean things.)
This manga has shown no evidence that he's had any sexual or emotional interest in women for us to know that he's "actually straight". There are no scenes of him with women or any relevant internal monologue. There is nothing in the manga to show he was merely "experimenting". In his own words, he and Yura had an active sex life--enough that Yura assumed that they were in a relationship.
What the manga has shown is that he is homophobic, manipulative, selfish and deceptive--basically what he *says* cannot be trusted. You are right--it *is* more common for a gay person to pretend to be heterosexual than vice versa. So in the face of what we *know* is more common, and the manga at pains to present how into Yura this guy was (and obviously still is), at the drop of hat, you're willing to buy his "I'm really straight, stupid homo" story?
Oooookay. Yeah. Heterosexuality is not the default, y'all.
Sexual orientation simply describes with whom and whether you feel sexual attraction. Not exactly "desire." There's a slight difference in meaning.
Anyway, I agree with everything else. He's probably a closet case. XD
Your point is we shouldn't set heterosexuality as defaults, right?
Also, in the manga, he said he's no homo(lol), so I'll probably buy that for now, and since he's so disdainful towards being gay. I'd assume he's homophobic, too.
It''s a bit too far-fetched.
in such cases, the man is questioned (as a human being), not his sexual orientation.
Two men, same scenario; no changes. Still the guy with the lousy behavior is questioned as a person, human being, etc.
I just think that they are both douche bag types that should be *ahem* cut off from their manly part. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
I'll be honest; a little bit of believing this fictional character is wanting people to accept me when I say I am bi instead of making judgments on if I am strait or gay based on who I am dating.
Homosexuality is not the default, but sexuality is not a binary. If this guy wants to define strait to include gay sex if you're not looking them in the face, than that is fine with me. He's probably a 1, 1.5 on the Kinsey scale if we go on what he says, because we otherwise don't know much about him. We don't know much about Yuuya because it's not his story. Nobody wants his story because he is an ass.
He's the type of guy who when meeting his ex after five years a) outs them as being gay b) shames them for not that he saw them only as a booty call, and c) tells them did them from behind because he couldn't cum when looking at their face. He also broke up with the MC by saying the MC was too needy instead of saying honestly that he (Yuuya) was only in it for the sex.
Regardless of Yuuya's sexuality, he was engaging in gay sex. That at least is something we can agree on.
Yep.
"Sexuality is not a binary"
Never said it was. My argument springs from the central point that Yuuya is an unreliable narrator not that it's impossible to identify as a heterosexual just because one was once involved in a homosexual relationship.
Beyond that...
"If this guy wants to define strait to include gay sex if you're not looking them in the face ...."
is an indication of a problem. Again, I examine Yuuya's action within the context of the story in which Yuuya's relationship with his ex was emotionally abusive *at best*. It wasn't two adults on the same page engaging in fun sex play. Sexuality may be a spectrum but I'm not prepared to accept definitions that rely on whether or not one looks at a partner's face during sex. I don't see how that leads to anything but bi-erasure in a genre already known for the problematic Gay For You trope (popularised by cishet women).
I feel a lot better knowing the artist created this story with the intention of it ending in a break up lol. I know we're used to all kinds of messed up scenarios in BL but there is no way a college kid should stick with a relationship in which the other partner used to be obsessed with their parent and acts like a jealous teen (at 50+ years old).
When I saw him on the balcony trying to call Yoo Il I was amused but angry. Really, Ahjussi? Are you going to pull the "I'll Commit Suicide if You Reject Me Forever" card from your How to Become an Abusive Partner starter pack?
Issa NO. Get a cat. Start from there. (Maybe end there? Nothing wrong with being single. Take a trip, go to some gay friendly destination, relax, get your mind right.)
Damn, Sakura-chan & team, look at y'all dropping mega chapter releases. Mangago <3 you and all your efforts. Thank you!
I suppose it makes sense that so many identify with the older guy because we were privy to more of his life and inner thoughts than Yoo Il.
It's still a little odd to me, though, that despite Ahjussi being more mature, experienced and hopefully wiser, it is Yoo Il who many expect be the smarter partner, while Ahjussi's serious mistakes are excused.
I like the realism of Ahjussi's character. I don't believe he actually think he's done anything really wrong, or that it was that bad, because he's old omg so old and it's just the *worst* to be old and blah blah. He doesn't seem to have any friends he can rely on to tell him when he's being dumb (which we all need).
Yoo Il, don't waste your youth on this dude. If this old man is going to display the immaturity and poor decision making skills of an obsessive melodramatic high schooler, let someone else handle it. It's above your skill set.
I could only get three page into this. I thought, Huh? Why is there such a sudden drop in quality here? Ugh, don't tell me it's...
I read a lot of titles on here as licensed manga vendors don't sell enough of what I prefer. (Sekaii takes forever to be released so I read it here first.) I've started titles and dropped them before the end of the first chapter because I found the scans or translations too hard to read. I never express my dissatisfaction in those cases. There's a popular and very prolific scanlator group whose translation quality can be uneven. Eh. The fact is that they do all that work on what seems to be over 90% new titles and have yet to interfere with any other team's work.
This is the wild world of unlicensed translations. But every world works by its own code: that's how human operates. It's bad form to pick up titles that another group has already pledged to work on. Obviously, it's a free world; you can do what you like. Just trust that if you pick up popular titles, titles that other groups have provided to the community as high quality scans and translations, and produce eye burning dross, you'll be called out. Don't be surprised if some take it as an insult (●'◡'●)ﾉ . You can't expect to be coddled on that point when you crossed the line first.
I guess this shall teach me to the value of patience lol.
it's pretty readable in my opinion. let's all just appreciate the fact that people are doing this work for us. it's your call to read it from here or to wait
Why should we "all" do anything? You may appreciate it; I feel no need to persuade you to think differently. I find it poor work. (And I know I don't have to read it, thanks lol. I didn't.)
Yeah, it is of poor quality. But you know what? A few years ago it was a miracle to find even a LQ scanlation. And nobody complained! People nowadays are so spoiled... Read it or not, don't bitch about quality - or help the group do better.
You ignored the point I made in my original post of how I respond to poor translations of new/properly dropped titles (I don't complain) vs poor translations of poached titles. If you can spend time to discern the poor quality of Saku's stuff here, then understanding my position shouldn't be that difficult.
Agree. The same happened to last chapter of Given. Banaqua is providing hq scans with proper translations and some group/translator (idk who, i dont remember) uploaded a low quality one. I remember reading two pages and dropping it when I realize wasnt the good one. People is so impatient that dont care whether what they are reading is accurate or not or if the scans are crap. Even if my fav manga were dropped I'd rather not read it than spoil it reading it in a bad condition.
Xiao, please let me know when your motivational remedy will go on sale, I want three!
I wish I knew Japanese. I'd join after that ad for sure lmao.
Hell no. Nope. After chapter 15 I am the cute dog in Cowboy Bebop nope-ing away from this manga until it sorts itself out.
I get a real kick out of reading about a female character who is violent and hyper aggressive with a saviour complex. She stupidly defies sensible orders but still makes it out alive, complete with woman slung over shoulder lol. Red is everything.
That snake doc....Every time I think I'm about to like her she reverts to her abusive ways and vindictive attitude. If you have a death wish just jump of a cliff at night. Stop making it a spectacle.
Okay, so how we do convince the artist to allow grandma to live forever. I can't handle any other outcome.
Ikr... PETITION FOR GIVING GRANDMA ETERNAL LIFE (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I'm just here in the comments checking in to see if Norihiko's dead so I can rejoice.
No?...still alive?
All right, peace out till next time, fellow fujoshis, fudanshis, and nonbinary loves ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~.