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I put rape in quotes because it has been confirmed that at no point was the sex nonconsensual, except the scene where Hyeonjo thinks Minjae spread the rumor of course,*

Maybe Minjae did like having sex but just because he does, doesn't mean that they were consential. In my opinion, except for in the last chapter, ALL their sex scenes were rape and not just some. One thing you have to understand is, just cause you liked the sex/liked the person you're having sex with, that does not mean that it can't be considered rape in certain cases. That's why it is possible for spouses to rape each other. Even though Minjae may have enjoyed it or never considered it to be rape, in the first place he never consented to doing it, he even refused to have sex.

But there's this one other thing that irks me about what you wrote. And that is rape being equivalent to I love you (for him). For me that will never be so. Sure it may be fine cause they ended up liking each other and they didn't really mind it at the end. But, who cares if he only did it cause he liked him, the main point is that rape is never ok. But if I try to be empathetic with you, my first question is, what if Minjae never loved him. Would the 'sex' have been alright then? Cause nowhere except for the latest chapter did Minjae consent to it.

One other thing. You commented "...he could've just punched Minjae like he'd been about to do, but instead he stops himself from punching him and then rapes him."
Idk about you, but I rather be punched than raped ╮(￣^￣)╭

Girl... You as well as Hyeongjo need to find a therapist.. rape is a crime and is never right.

This is rude, if you disagree then just say so, no need to make me out to be mentally damaged... I just don't see it from your perspective.

But thats the thing though, "rape" between two people who like each other can only be rape if the "victim" doesn't like it, right? They have both liked each other since the beginning and Minjae addresses the "rape" scenes saying that he "didn't actually mind" the sex. If you want to label the scenes as just rape, that's fine, i just don't think it is as black and white as that.

The part of my text you're quoting only makes sense on the assumption that what i've said is right and that Hyeonjo really WAS raping him to say "i love you". The reason i make it sound less bad in that context is because i feel like what i said is true, if you disagree thats fine. I just had "some thoughts i'd like to get out there".

Something i'd like to point out: "Maybe Minjae did like having sex but just because he does, doesn't mean that they were consential."---how do you figure? The idea of something being done without consent is for the "victim" to not want what is happening. If Minjae says he "never actually minded" the sex, that means he was never with a negative impression of what was being done to him. I think you're mixing up the contexts, I'm saying that if Minjae was never in a disturbed state by the sex then that means it wasn't rape. I'm not talking about if someone is raped and then starts to feel good after, obviously that is coercion, i'm saying that if Minjae like it from the beginning and never FELT raped then that it wasn't rape.

I'm going to leave the definition of 'consent' for the general public to see:
noun
1.
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.

verb
1.
give permission for something to happen.

-----It says "to give permission", in other words, as long as they are okay with it it was done with their consent whether they spoke the words of consent aloud or not. Consent doesn't have to be spoken. Minjae says "i never actually minded" the sex, in other words there was consent by definition.

ANYONE WHO HAPPENES TO BE READING THROUGH THIS COMMENT PAGE, PLEASE READ THIS. Lottiemix, this isn't specifically at you, but at the general people who seem to view the sex scenes between Hyeonjo and Minjae as rape (excluding the scene where Hyeonjo thinks Minjae spread the rumor, that was rape.). I feel like you're all just kinda looking at the situation and because it LOOKS like rape you're all assuming Minjae's feelings on the matter, the issue with this is that we actually get to SEE Minjae's feelings on the matter from Minjae himself. Minjae discusses the "rapes" and admits that he NEVER felt negative about the sex (please note that he didn't say he hated it and THEN liked it, he says "i never minded the sex"). I'll give you guys an example irl that might show you what you look like while assuming Minjae's feelings: You're like that person that sees a really cute girl with a guy who has tattoos all over his body and assumes that he doesn't treat her right when he could be a great person. Do you see my point, you read the "rape" scenes and because they looked dark on the outside you didn't take a look into what each person was feeling at the time, but that has already been confirmed now. Minjae says he "never actually minded it" and Hyeonjo says "i've liked you since i first saw you". In other words, the only scene that can be labelled as rape is the rumor scene because Minjae is shown in the manga to have been mad about it and Hyeonjo is shown in the manga to apologize for what he did, meaning that Hyeonjo recognizes what he did as wrong. In all the other scenes it was just sex because, while it looked like Minjae didn't want it, Minjae has told us that he "didn't actually mind it" and while Hyeonjo LOOKED like he was raping Minjae we have been told that he actually liked him since the beginning.

Please don't misunderstand what i'm saying here. I'm not saying that if a person is raped and starts to like it later that it is no longer rape (this is still rape and is called coercion), i'm saying that if a person liked it since the beginning that it was never rape in the first place. I'm saying "if it isn't rape then it isn't rape".

After reading you comment and after contemplating it, I see where you're coming from. The problem with every sex/rape scene in this webtoon is that from what you say, the 'victim' does not feel that it is rape. However the 'perpetrator' does as by taking what you said; that what we are doing is 'assuming a tattooed guy is hurting the girl just cause he's tattooed', Hyeonjo must see what we see of Minjae when they have sex. So if we see that Minjae looks like he's been raped, then surely Hyeonjo must think so too because even if Minjae was willing, it didn't really look like it. This makes the whole situation confusing, cause we are used to the victim being the only one who thinks that the situation is rape (in most cases) and not the other way round.
So from this, I'd like to say that I respect the reason you gave for thinking that the situation was not rape (except for that one scene).
I however will choose to keep my stance because I think that if one believes that it is rape then it is (though it depends on the scenario too).

You either missed a piece of what i was trying to say or chose to disregard it (not saying this in a bad way, just an observation), i had also said that the same concept that applied to Minjae actually applies to Hyeonjo as well. You're assuming that because the "rape" scenes looked bad that Hyeonjo was participating with the intentions of rape, however you can't assume his intentions anymore since his intentions have been given to us from his mouth in the manga. Hyeonjo says "i have liked you since the beginning", meaning that even during those scenes he wasn't "raping" Minjae, or at least didn't have the intentions of rape during the scenes.

More accurately, he says "i've liked you since i first saw you", he first saw Minjae during the scene where Minjae walks in on him masturbating to Hyung. All sex scenes that LOOKED like rape after this point on LOOKED like it because we didn't know what both parties were thinking and it was presented in a way that we'd only see the outside of the situation.

Except the Rumor misunderstanding scene, that is canonically rape. Minjae was upset by it and Hyeonjo even apologizes which means he views what he did as wrong.*

I'm sorry if i'm coming across pushy, and definitely feel free and say you disagree, but it honestly seems canon to me that the only rape scene in the manga was the rumor misunderstanding scene. The reason any of us thought it was rape in the first place is because the scene was meant to look that way to someone looking in from the outside, we saw Minjae resisting a bit and assumed he was feeling raped and we saw Hyeonjo not stopping and assumed he was consciously raping Minjae (making the decision to do so). You already understand what i've said on Minjae, however you still haven't addressed what i said about Hyeonjo. We agree that Minjae wasn't feeling raped, but you can actually apply the same concept to Hyeonjo as well, while Minjae was saying "no" and resisting we now know that inside he was actually fine with it. While Hyeonjo was seeing Minjae resisting and not stopping we assumed that he was actively raping Minjae, but he has revealed to us that he has "liked you (Minjae) since i first saw you", meaning that when he held Minjae those times he was actually thinking "i like you" and trying to have sex with the object of his affections. You see what i mean? It was a misunderstanding on our part on BOTH of them, not just Minjae, they have actually told us readers that those scenes weren't rape IN the manga. Minjae says he was "okay with it (the sex)", but when Hyeonjo ACTUALLY crossed the line Minjae got mad at him, cried and hit him in the face. The ONLY instance between the two of them that actually hurt Minjae was the rumor misunderstanding rape.

Ohhh. But I will stick with my opinion though cause I'm not sure if he knew that he liked Minjae right from the beginning or whether he just realised that he had always loved him along the way.
Nah, Im fine with how you presented your ideas. I like how you didn't just say that what I thought was stupid, but instead read through tried to understand what I said and told me your opinions without disrespecting mine.
I won't say who is right but I'm actually glad that I was able to try see this situation from two perspectives (that is if I really got what you were trying to say).

Thank you for taking my perspective into actual consideration.

maybe the middle brother is jealous and paying a lot more attention to the oldest brother the youngest brother loves the middle brother for some reason unknown the middle brother wants to be like the eldest brother and the youngest one doesnt want him to change that is what i think also the eldest brother might be a dick

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I'm sorry, you have confused me with this response. Are you saying you're going back to look?

Isn't this person just commenting on your username?

I suppose so, but wouldn't that be a strange response?

Oh! my username is "youraedthiwrogn" or youreadthiswrong. My username actually is just a joke and has nothing to do with this or any manga, the human brain sees things and registers them how they've seen them in the past which is why if you read "youraedthiswrogn" you might need to go back and see that i misspelled it on purpose.

I think Japanese and other Asian languages have their own versions of 'no' which may be confusing to Westerners. The 'no' here is the same as in 'Thank you'-'No, I should be the one thanking you'. I just want to clear that up a bit.

Haha yeah I get that and it is a pretty strange response but I just thought they wanted to comment on your username bc it is pretty funny... dunno tho bc in the context of your initial comment it could be something different

Thank you Lucy (⌒▽⌒)

I'm glad you find the humor intended in my username (づ￣ ³￣)づ thank you. Yeah, there is nothing wrong with them mentioning my username of course, i just got confused and was trying to understand. I'm glad i have an idea of what's going on now.

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That's because in the original Japanese is 'Dameda' which mean no/you cant.
I think the sensei really intended to say no. Thats why yukihira seems so startled. And after sensei told Yukihira that he really want Yukihira, after hearing that Yukihira crying.

Yes, i suppose it's definitely possible that sensei meant to say no, the reason i felt it might be a mixup is because it doesn't flow well, like at all. He says no and then says yes. "will you go out with me?" "no i should've said it first, i don't want to let you go." In english this doesn't make sense.

unless the "no" ISN'T by itself and is part of the following text. Though if the "no" isn't by itself there should be a comma or some kind of punctuation. As it shows up in the manga it is read as- student: "will you go out with me?" sensei: "no" "i should've said it first, i don't want to let you go." In the context it's currently written the sensei is refusing to go out with the student and then saying he WILL. It does, however, make sense if you include the "no" in the entire sentence and add a comma as it would be "no, i should've said it first. I don't want to let you go." which would just indicate the sensei's wish to have confessed first.

Then i need to take a note to don't forget the coma next time or maybe keep the flow of the conversation in the story. . Thank you for your correction! (•ө•)♡(≧▽≦)

No problem, i hope i didn't come across as rude. Just my take on the situation.

Nah. We prefer criticism with correction than critism just to low down the mental of translation group. Your criticism comes with solution. Thanks alot ! Keep support us (•ө•)♡(*´∀｀)

Definitely, thank you for your hard work. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

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Consensual rape play.... MY BODY IS READY!!!! So far the story line seems to be interesting.

Yes, i don't mind the yaoi rape trope as long as it isn't honest, brutal rape. This looks promising.

Also, in addition to what i had to say about pitying Kamiya: Take another look at the end of chapter 2, after the rape Kamiya just casually takes the compensation money without ANY shown concern for Ogata, none... NO CONCERN. He is fucking heartless. The only thing he has to say is "Eh? seriously? is this even ok?" and he says that about the amount of money Ayase gives him. He has something to say about the amount of money given to him, but not about how he just witnessed Ogata, the ONE person who has been nice to him this entire time, getting raped by the asshole who has been bullying him this entire time... Everyone, it is safe to ignore chapter 3 and hate Kamiya as, regardless of his past, he is fucking human scum in the present.

I feel the same... Ps: first i was like nah it's to long then u suck me in

Thank you (⌒▽⌒)

You just spoke my thoughts! There are so many yaoi stories out there that I wish would've done the stupid seme SUFFER before the uke can even start to forgive him! They always give this half assed "I'm sorry" and BUM! forgiven, It really gets on my nerves!!! (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ That's why I try to skip the "rape-love" stories, I hope this one is not one of those, and that Ogata will have his revenge on Ayase and then move forward... but tbh I doubt it...

Absolutely and completely agree with you here .(づ￣ ³￣)づ

I dont know why there are 5 thumbs dowm so people dont like when someone is saying truth but you got all the likes when you ship an abuser with a victim just because you have the card about fiction and reality even in fiction if the victim does not like it and have traumatic effect it is wrong.

Amen all of this

Thank you for the support guys (⌒▽⌒) It's nice to see that there're people with their heads on right.