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I think this is the best comment I've ever read

I've never laughed so hard in my entire life this is THE funniest review I've ever seen

...as an Asian kid, i have come to accept the fact that my family will never accept me being part of the LGBT community, and that i’ll have to keep mum about it forever. also, Japan is one of the slowest to come to accept the LGBT+ community, although there’s change that’s being seen now (civil partnership between ppl of the same sex is legal now, i think?) so, yes, it’s kinda. better and easier being a lying sack of shit to our parents than it is to come out and face dire consequences.

Look. I don’t know if you’re gay or not, but if you are and you’re parents accept you, then you are blessed with something a lot of people don’t have. Do you know conversion therapy is still legal in most countries, and if you’re a minor your parents can make you go, because you have no rights as a minor. And from what I’ve heard about this therapy, it is absolutely horrific, and many people who take part in it commit suicide before they finish. And even if you don’t get sent to conversion therapy, there’s alway the chance you’ll be ostracized by your family, which is a terrible thought. It’s a terrible feeling being hated by your family. Not all families are accepting, and honestly being a “lying sack of shit” is better than coming out in a lot of cases. Not to mention, Japan is a country that doesn’t really accept the LGBT community as much a places like America, so the risk of being hated and ostracized by your family is probably much higher.

And if you aren’t gay, and never had to come out to your family, don’t talk about things you don’t know anything about.

I'm sorry that my comment made you feel that you were seen as a "bad" person in my view. I should not have put it that way and I am sincerely sorry that I did. It's not your fault that you can't come out and be honest. That fault lies in a society that refuses to accept you because of a ridiculous and ancient idea that humans are only happy and successful if they multiply like rabbits and the social punishment it imposes on those that don't fit the "hetero mold". The way I wrote it, in retrospect, sounds like I think closeted people are horrible liars. I don't feel that way. My ire is not with the children who hide from their parents, it's with the parents who can't accept the children they are meant to love, support and protect. Being forced to lie to someone you love is torture. How can a parent inflict that kind of pain on their children? Perhaps it is because I am a parent and I have always respected my children's views, even when we didn't agree, that I'm hard on other parents. Parents need to listen to their children too, not just lecture and order them about. They don't have to agree or even approve of their children's choices, but when parents don't listen, the children stop talking. Your parents are supposed to be the people you trust the most. When you can't trust them enough to tell them things honestly, for me, that is failing as a parent.

Please, I hope you can forgive me for using words that made my thoughts and feelings unclear. I truly never meant to make anyone feel that they were to be blamed or at fault for having to hide themselves. I am genuinely and sincerely sorry.

I really fucked up in my wording in this comment. I never meant to sound like I blamed those who remain in the closet for their situation. In fact, it's the exact opposite. My anger is at those in society and those parents who create a situation where their children are forced to lie and hide. I hope you, too, can forgive me for using words that made my thoughts and feelings unclear. If you could read my reply to @erhe_wahrheit, I hope my real feelings are made more clear.

Hey dude, It’s okay. Happens to the best of us!

Thank you for your kindness and understanding. I really feel bad about this. I know what I was thinking, but what I wrote was just... yeah, I fucked up.

first of all - thank you for taking the time to apologize and explain your views. i am glad that there are parents like you who listen to and love their children. i, too, am hoping that one day i can be homest with my parents and my family without the fear of punishment, and that one day, our society as a whole accepts that people who are different feel what they’re used to are not bad people. there really isn’t anything to fogrive, and i really appreciate your efforts in communicating.

I should be thanking you, for your kindness and understanding and for the opportunity to clarify my rather screwed up statements. If you and Ben had not responded, I'd have never noticed what an arrogant and insensitive prick I'd made myself look like! So, thanks. Really.

Please forgive my selfishness in what I'm about to say, but I know things aren't easy for you. So, if you ever need and ear to listen, I'd be honoured to hear you out. I can't promise that I have any answers, but sometimes the answers come to us simply by getting our thoughts and feelings out into words. If I can help in that way, I'd like to.

Thank you again for your kindness and understanding. It has been my privilege to have met you.

What? They were saying exactly what you said in this comment... You just repeated what they said in a bitchy tone. The "sack of shit" joke was clearly that, a joke.

I am sincerely and genuinely grateful for your defense of my comment and I truly appreciate that you grasped the spirit in which it was made. However, even I, as the person who wrote it, recognize that my wording was poor and it made it seem as though I felt that those who are forced to lie and hide are the ones at fault. That was never my intention. I omitted one very crucial word in the whole of my original comment... "have" to lie and hide. This one small word changes everything. It is the difference between choosing to lie and being forced to. I doubt anyone would choose to lie to those they hold most dear about something as important as their sexuality if they were not forced to do so. I hope this explanation and those given above in this thread have clarified my true intentions and views and I sincerely hope that I still warrant your defense of my comment. Thank you, again.

To everyone who commented here and to those reading it all for the first time: I have revised my comment and added notes in the hope of clarifying my views from the start. I take pride in the fact that I put my name to the things I write and take full responsibility when I am wrong. Unless explaining myself takes more words than are contained in the Bible, I will not delete a comment. I would rather be taken to task by fellow readers, apologize and clarify, if possible. I am truly grateful to those who commented here for giving me the opportunity to do just that. Even though I go back and immediately proofread what I write, sometimes, the context or content sounds good in my head, but later it is obvious how misleading or poorly conveyed my thoughts actually were. Thank you all for calling attention to my error and allowing me to clarify. You all were incredibly kind and understanding and I am sincerely grateful for your guidance. I wish all of you all the best.

I was defending Ehre, Ben's comment was in response to Ehre.

If you look, Ben mentioned "sack of shit", wording Ehre used.

Ben’s comment was to the original post, not Ehre. Ben can see how you made that mistake, the way the comments are formatted on here can be confusing. Anyway, the original post used the words “sack of shit” too, which is where ehre and Ben got it from. And Ben didn’t mean to sound “bitchy” in their comment, and is sorry if it came off that way. Good day!

Okay, since you apologized. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Asian and I've seen a lot of people who doesn't come out even when they've been with the same person for more than 5 years already (they're not obvious in social media platforms ofc). And eugh I agree on the seme part skkdkajs when is he planning to discuss it to the uke about it wtf. I love the uke for going through great lengths for their relationship to survive, and I'm waiting for the seme to do it too (ya he's done a lot of sacrifices and his situation isn't convenient for their relationship but hopefully he'd do a lot to the uke for the years too come) (▰˘◡˘▰)

Ikr, tbh I come here thinking this would be about detectives(well they are detectives) but even though the story isn't what I expected, I completely fell in love with both Shigure and Ryu(づ￣ ³￣)づ

It's hard not to fall in love with a couple who can confidently love each other!

Exactly, I want more stories like this, I wonder if I can find them (⌒▽⌒)

So, I made it past the first chapter... barely. It seems as though I'm in the minority in regards to my opinion on this manga. I don't find it "cute" or "sweet" at all. It is little more than homophobia veiled as comedy... THINLY VEILED at that! The father is rash, jealous, petty and an enormous hypocrite. He can stick his dick in another man, but gods forbid his son does the same. Horseshit. The writing is rushed and it felt like the mangaka had never even SEEN a gay couple, let alone talked to any. The whole manga was "heteronormative assumptions about homosexuality" on steroids. Even the "extra's" plot propulsion was lame and contrived. What parents in Japan would react that way to their child being correctly and politely referred to by his family name? It was ludicrous. Using your potential partner's given name in front of their parents is bold, brash and on par with tongue kissing them over the family dinner table. The one redeeming feature of this manga was the art. For that alone, I gave it 2 stars.

Right lol, you seriously need to take a huge chill pill. Also, you obviously didn't get the extra, it was a comedic moment. It's not like the parents were upset at all, it was just funny because it seemed like he was referring to Natsuki's dad. I think you came into the manga with an agenda, and now you're downinh the whole thing. Also, is a massive fluff piece that you're twisting into something ugly. Just no

You're not alone. Although I don't think everything in the story is bad, most of it are. First chapter, they already fought and got together, it felt like I was sideswiped by the sudden change of tune.

And homosexual steroids? Quite accurate, coz after they made up they just had sex right after, whiplashed I tell you. When they were saying I love you's to each other, it felt dry.

This wasn't the best, and although some parts aren't that good either, it's not all bad. xD

I'm sorry that you're confused as to why your opinions don't coincide with mine, but I won't be changing them. I have no agenda when I read any manga, aside from desiring to enjoy it. However, you can't be so oblivious as to assume that the publishers, editors and, to some extent, the mangaka doesn't have their own agenda when they create these works. You are aware that the Japanese government, until just under two decades ago, had certain criteria that had to be met in order to get this type of literature published. This manga was written and published during a time when Japan's government was facing a severe drop in birth and marriage rates and though considered, they could not outright ignore, ban or criminalize homosexuality for fear of breaking down business and diplomatic ties with many liberal countries. However, they also couldn't fully support the LGBT movement as other liberal countries do because there was a fear among conservative traditionalists that "homosexuality would spread" and further decline the birth and marriage rate. The "middle ground" the government came up with was to allow literature and media featuring homosexuality, BUT the literature and media could not overtly condone or support homosexuality. This is why manga and dramas from pre-2000 end sadly, ambiguously or contain elements of the attitude that "homosexuality is troublesome and not worth the hassle/heterosexuality is better". This is most obviously noted in the comedy category of this genre (It's easier to make a homophobic joke than to outright and cruelly call someone a "faggot"). It has only been in the last year or so that Japan has taken the step to allow "domestic partnerships" as legally binding agreements providing rights and benefits to couples who can not marry otherwise. This new step is only available in certain areas of Tokyo. If you live outside those areas, the rights and benefits don't apply to you. Manga make "adult adoption" look like it's as easy as getting your driver's license renewed, but that is far from accurate. It is a costly and lengthy procedure that requires extensive, and often embarrassing, background checks and investigations. So, although it is an option, it is not an easy one to obtain. Japan is nothing like the liberal countries of the west. But then, to some readers, the idea that homosexuals are discriminated against in the country from where their favorite "gay erotica" originates makes little impact. They're not reading yaoi because they give a damn about LGBT issues or the people in those communities, they just want to fetishize, fantasize and forget. I'm not your average yaoi reader. I'm not hetero and I'm not 15. I've been involved in the LGBT community for forty years. I read yaoi because I am more comfortable with the idea of two men as a couple than I am with a male and female. I also enjoy seeing the changes to public opinion and acceptance of the LGBT movement the popularity of this genre has brought about. You can bitch all you want about my opinions, but at least I have built them upon experience, research and facts. Can you say the same about yours? Or do you "feel" rather than think? Personally, I think first, then consider how I feel about something.

It is your misconception that I am, or was, in any way not calm. We read text with our own feelings and attitudes driving our perceptions. Perhaps it is you who needed to remain calm.

I agree that the manga was not all bad. The art was excellent.

Your dismissive attitude isn't worth my time. We're done here.

You made a whole lot of assumptions about me and what I may or may not enjoy and think about homosexuality and yaoi manga in general. It's possible to feel and think simultaneously, and I can do both. I can also separate the intentions from the finished product, and recognize that something that was most likely harmless on part of the mangaka might have an unintended affect on readers. Like, I could be upset for all the hundreds of times virginity or pale white skin or rape or even unhealthy relatipnships are fetishized and revered in manga, but I just keep it moving because the mangaka likely didn't have the bad intentions you would assume they have. You know nothing about my opinions on this matter, and assumed that I just don't care about LGBT issues in the west or in Asian countries, and your opinion of me is based on pure speculation.

I just want to say something about this. I am a writer of stories my self, not popular, but I do love making and writing stories for people to read. And the first thing I learned, even when I was still just an avid reader of books and such, when making a story, it must have a foundation.

Storytellers, authors, writers, directors, mangakas, and all the other artists out there who creates a story on any medium or form, their art always have a deeper meaning and it always have a foundation. The Monalisa was based off a real woman that lived in Florence with her husband. Game of Thrones was inspired by the War of the Roses in the 14th century Europe. Even the sculptures and statues from various mythologies are inspired by how humans saw the world.

So saying that a manga or the people in it doesn't exist is not entirely true because all stories have their own truths. Personally, as a fledgling writer, I don't think the mangaka simply created this story without basing it on his or her own thougts about the stories of a homosexual family/couple.

Dismissing that fact may or may not be taken as insult to the artist because it's like saying that their art are lacking the core of why they were made.

Normally, I am a, "leave it alone, it's just fiction" type of reader. Then, just yesterday, I responded to one of the posted questions they have on here. The question was, "How do you feel about GAY (not Yaoi)?" In the expanded question a pansexual reader asks "How does it make you feel to know more about the gay world than they (homosexuals) do?" The querent is assuming that the predominantly hetero audience of yaoi will "know more about the gay world" than a homosexual because they have read yaoi. I'd like to think that all readers of this genre could differentiate between fantasy/fiction and real life, but sadly, there are those who can't. Rape is a crime in most countries around the world (even if it is not severely punished in some, it's still a crime), but being an idiot who thinks that manga homosexuals = real life homosexuals is not. There are already laws punishing and discouraging rape. There is nothing to discourage young yaoi readers from offending and embarrassing a homosexual person - and themselves - on the streets in real life because they read one too many manga. Go back and read my first original comment, about the phrase "What a waste", if you please. How do you think a homosexual man would feel if some airheaded fujoshi said that to them because she read it in a manga? Or assumed that because he was effeminate, he was a bottom? Or befriended him in order to show off her new "toy" to her fellow fujoshi friends and not because she actually wanted to be friends with him? That last one is a painful personal experience I and a friend had to endure. Are people like that abundant? In general, no. However, in a community where the common thread is fetishizing homosexual male relationships, we tend to have a higher concentration of them.

Young people tend to have low impulse control and have not had enough life experiences to deter them from making a public scene, most adults understand this and forgive them, but they don't necessarily take the time to correct the young person's behaviour or prevent it from happening again in the future. If what I wrote here in my original comment makes even ONE young reader stop and think twice before saying or doing something they'll regret later, I'll do it... every time.

"Because some rancid pussy will not wrap around his dick, because he will not sire more bodies to further exhaust the planet's dwindling resources?"
"They're not reading yaoi because they give a damn about LGBT issues or the people in those communities, they just want to fetishize, fantasize and forget, I'm not your average yaoi reader. not 15. I've been involved in the LGBT community for forty years I read yaoi because I am more comfortable with the idea of two men a couple than I am with a male and female. "
"How do you think a homosexual man would feel if some airheaded fujoshi said that because they read it in a manga? Or assumed that because it was effeminate, he was a bottom? Or befriended him in order to show off her new" I was a friend and I wanted to be friends with him.
Do you really think that exposing this type of fallacious and egocentric arguments puts you in a superior position to that of any other member of this site? Do you think that writing forty lines with a personal and linear interpenetration of ancestral social conflicts is a vision worth following? Do you think that age, sexual orientation and individual experience give you moral power over other people or give your arguments greater validity?
Do you realize that you are the only person in these comments giving power to the phrase "what a waste"? There are immature people and then there are those who believe that they wear a cloak of hero that gives them the power to decide what is right and wrong in the world.

And the mirror reflects right back, doesn't it? LOL

You can be offended by the words that I use all you want, but what you failed to do was argue against the points I made. If I call someone a dirty douche nozzle or I say that they were deceitful, rude and an all around horrible person, the point is the same. I have a foul mouth. Deal with it. And yes, I do believe that a person's age and experiences, good, bad or indifferent, warrant consideration when assessing their opinion's value. I don't decide what is right or wrong for anyone but me. You can go fuck your mother and have a good time of it, if that is what is right for you. It's no skin off my ass. However, when you do things that actually affect my world, your behaviour becomes my business. I don't make it a habit to stick my nose into things that have no affect on my life or form an opinion on situations I have not already had to experience. I'm no hero to anyone and I don't think I ever claimed to be one. You, however, seem to think I am. I am simply someone who has already faced enough discrimination and passive-aggressive, micro-aggression homophobia to know I don't want to go through it again. I have a voice and I'll use it. While I do that, please feel free to go fuck your mother if that is what makes you happy.

You are so full of yourself that you do not even realize how fallacious your opinions are, that is why your arguments lose their validity, in addition to demonstrating the shortcomings of a person who justifies their insults towards what they dislike. As you sit in the comfort of your home to write "roten pussi" there are others who do the same to write "disgusting faggot" in the most diverse contexts and is not that what you want to escape? those little things that affect "your world" as the "waste" of this manga. What do you want to discuss? To the constant unilateral victimization? It would be too much for a place like this. The way you have to reaffirm your specific characteristics to validate your opinions?. How do you discard others for having a different opinion? Because that is what your "arguments" are about. By the way, what a nice way to illustrate the passive-aggressive, excellent taste in truth.

this entire thread is an interesting read. in real life, (at least from where I'm from), women or the general public, almost always say it's a waste when a handsome guy turns out to be homosexual. one of my gay friends think it's almost like a kind of compliment—like a guy is so attractive in a way that him actually going for guys and not girls is something sad for women (since they think they could have had a chance or something w the guy, when they really don't lol)

"He can stick his dick in another man, but gods forbid his son does the same. "

More like he's a father who wants to keep his kid his kid. Its not necessarily about the other kid being male. Its more commonly seen with fathers and daughters. "This is my baby girl and I don't want to give her away!"
At least thats how I see it. If you wanna see it as homophobic then have fun with that.

As for a gay man being beautiful as being "a waste" it is such a meaningless comment now. Its said so often it like asking someone how their day is. People don't really want to know its just what you say. Its a weird throwaway type of comment that means pretty much nothing to most people. Unless of course you say it to someone's face with disdain or the like. But then its not the words its the tone.

rancid pussy

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Imagine going crazy like because of a few words