Is it considered a BURY YOUR GAY TROPE?
I have to ask myself, did Ash really need to die at the end?
And Eiji is at the end still very heartbroken sad....
His death reminds me very much of Gai Yuki from the 1991 Super Sentai Series
Choujin Sentai Jetman.
In the final episode he was going to the wedding of his comrades but he was mortally stabbed by some random thief/criminal on his way. And instead of calling the ambulance or going to the hospital he went to the wedding to have a chit chat with the red ranger leader without revealing his bleeding wounds.
So he died because he didn't want to miss or ruin the wedding of his friends...
Pretty stupid, if you ask me...
And Ash could have easily also survived.
I know that a real life lebanese-german former box champion named Rola El-Halabi who was shot by her step-father/ex manager four times!!!! and she survived/recovered.
he could've, and was supposed to, but the author wasn't allowed to write gay characters with happy ending at the time, so thats why :/
Even the 2018 adaptation wasn't even bold enough to change the ending by replacing it with a more happy one （￣へ￣）
Ikr, really wish they did, but at the same time, glad they didn't cause it really made it so much more impactful
Melissa (Beware of the Villainess), Bakarina, Rachel (Slow Prison Life) AND Cale (Trash Count) combined as the villainous siblings ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
And look at these characters together ^^ They all look so alike/good togetherヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Who else would fit to this patchwork dream family of very unusual Villains^^
that would be a very crazy and dangerous family (≧∀≦)(￣∇￣")
I think more like a very funny combination^^
Melissa (Beware of the Villainess), Bakarina, Rachel (Slow Prison Life) AND Cale (Trash Count) combined as the villainous siblings ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
And look at these characters together ^^ They all look so alike/good togetherヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Who else would fit to this patchwork dream family of very unusual Villains^^
Melissa (Beware of the Villainess), Bakarina, Rachel (Slow Prison Life) AND Cale (Trash Count) combined as the villainous siblings ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
And look at these characters together ^^ They all look so alike/good togetherヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Who else would fit to this patchwork dream family of very unusual Villains^^
Bavarian is so dumb, but it’s okay, Rachel’s intelligence and her natural dumb charisma makes up for it lol XD
But Cale and Rachel both use their brains. Ah, I wonder who would do the planning! I want a story of this! kyaa!
Rachel would be too lazy to be the brain of this group since Cale would likely be more active and diligent.
She could be the calculating strategist but doesn't want to. She rather organize a safe comfortable nest and leave the hard work to Cale, Melissa and Bakarina.
Pff! Yeah! Ah! I want to read this type of story!
Maybe someone can a good fan art about these four characters together :)
The (non) Villainous Crazy Quartet:
The Lovable Bakarina, the Psycho Sloth Rachel, the Lion Queen Bitch Melissa and the Witty Trash Count Cale.
I might try it, but not right now XD
Yes, once you do please do share it with us!
ヾ(☆▽☆)
Yes PLEASE
Me too pls
I feel like melissa should be the comic relief
Why her and not obviously Bakarina?
Melissa (Beware of the Villainess), Bakarina, Rachel (Slow Prison Life) AND Cale (Trash Count) combined as the villainous siblings ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
And look at these characters together ^^ They all look so alike/good togetherヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Who else would fit to this patchwork dream family of very unusual Villains^^
Melissa, Bakarina, Rachel (Slow Prison Life) AND Cale (Trash Count) combined as the villainous siblings ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
And look at these characters together ^^ They all look so alike/good togetherヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Who else would fit to this patchwork dream family of very unusual Villains^^
don't forget Roxanna from The Way to Protect the Female Lead's Older Brother !!
Hmmm.... I am not sure about that.
She is a bloody badass but she would rather fit in a more darker gothic group.
And now as a 30 years old adult I getting more and more tired of the trope "The obsessive Tsundere or Psycho ML bothering the FL who really wants nothing to do with them and a peaceful modest life."
In almost every Fantasy Romance novel comic one or more male characters becoming obsessed with her. They never ever accept NO for an answer. They keep bothering her until she is coersed/give in.
Why does showing kindness, raising, saving the ML or any male characters means automatically they will fall in love with you???
Spoiler ahead
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Letio ain't even the ML, so I don't see the issue. Selena is never going to "give in"
Agreed （￣へ￣）. I'm starting to get really annoyed by the repetitive shitty MLs and the flimsy reasoning behind their behavior towards MC.
Sure, *kindness* may be an attractive part of MCs nature; but if you obsess over one trait without respecting and appreciating everything else MC has to offer you're just a deluded halfwit infatuated with a one-dimensional fantasy version of MC.
Throwing out Miss Not So Sidekick because it tackles this exact trope:
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/miss_not_so_sidekick/
They Ignis and Letio are both obsessed with her.
And according to the spoilers Ignis's only right hand man was the one who deliberately let the FL's mentally ill father out so she can demonstrate her true power to save him from monsters. All because Ignis wanted "her" no matter what. And his trusted man chose to put Selena's father in danger. It seems he never revealed that fact to her...
While I aknowledge how subversive this story is, I don't find it very funny since the FL is always at the mercy of the powerful bored childish wizard ML who treats her like a entertaining toy...
I personally just don't like the power dynamic between them.
I prefer Beware Of The Villainess, The Lady's Butler, The Pet Of The Villainess and The Stereotypical Life of an Reincarnated Lady.
Why don't you try to read this instead? The ML's here aren't your typical ML. They really cared for the FL and respect their privacy and their feelings.
• The saviors book cafe in another world
• I'm a Villanous daughter so I'm going to keep the last boss.
• This time I want to be happy
• Of course I claim palimony
I did read them and I wish they were the norm!
Respectful caring empathetic honest MLs who respect boundaries are currently not in the majority.
The ML in The Villainess Lives Twice is a real darling.
I lost my interest I'm a Villanous daughter so I'm going to keep the last boss because the author let off the antagonists very easy considering all the things they.
And because the og heroine was allowed to let roam free...
In the 3rd arc the heroine with a new sacred sword attacked ML and made him amnesic. MC took efforts to reclaim ML again though the latter wanted to break his engagemnt with her and when MC was fed up with his rejection and quit in tears then ML turn 180° and like her?! Instead of a heartfelt apologise he also use his male charm to force her to forgive him ( submission by kisses) the MC settled for the fact ML choose her even if he didn't remember her...
Copied and pasted from https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/kill-the-villainess.118265/page-14
So basically, All the 3 Mls are/were obsessed with Helena to the point where they would ignore her feelings and priorities their own. Helena, being the maid that she is cannot really do anything as she has no power, even when she regained her noble status it wasn't enough power to do what she wants. Even when ML forced her to marry her the marriage wasn't fruitful. Now that our Fl has reincarnated and shows no interest in the Imperial/noble family this intrigues all the Mls to want her. Something that they ignored and disregarded isn't showing the bit or interest or emotion as before?! What! No way!! type of stuff, gross. What self-centered, arrogant and dominant "mls" we have. It's too much to even call them that.
Fiance. doesn't like it when things he don't like don't show interest in him. Eris sudden turn in behaviour makes him intrigued. He wants her but she puts more distance
Jason. There's really not much about, once there is ill put it in here. It's hinted that he and the priest both killed Anakin
Priest. They say he's the craziest of them all. He is Eris half-brother from a dancer mother. He holds the power to bring a person back to life. In this case, tries to bring back Eris despite her wishes cause he loves her. He knows the souls are different but it's kind of weird since in that world they are related by blood.
Anakin. Only one who gets the concept of love and respect. He loves Eris enough to know the boundaries and assists her in her goals knowing that she wants to leave. Their feelings are obvious but they chose not to act on it. Perfect person to end her life as he, besides the witch, have loved and respected her in every which way.
Also when Eris stabbed Helena in the second time to kill her then went off it doesn't seem the Mls were too concerned about that because they wanted to make sure Eris was alive and "ok". They wanted to find Eris because they "loved" her (more like possess; object) even though they have no concept of love because that required understanding and respect (which they clearly don't have). Anakin burns her body to which crazy priest cannot resurrect her so both him and Jason kill Anakin. Helena is most likely dead at this point so now the trash Mls have no Eris and no Helena. Spoilers hint that anakin then meets Eris back in her real world.
I heard it was the Emperor who order the prince to rape her because she tried to break the engagement .The prince needed her family support to be king so he tried to rape the Mc but she fought back and killed the prince.
the witch end up reviving the prince but Mc still suffered from ptsd from the memory of attempted rape and murder that no longer happened.
the mls are lunatic, except star wars boi
then... anahkin and fl’s love story is truly a tragic one in this lifetime...
the crazy mls reminds me of beware of the villainess (that’s melissa’s manhwa right?), then the meeting in the after life reminds me of rae and noah (well as i remember. according to the spoilers i’ve seen before)
Queen Bitch Melissa is the only badass hardass who can destroys any Trash MLs ego/spirit. And let's not forget snob maid Yona ^^
Before the release of BEWARE OF THE VILLAINESS there was already RACHEL from SLOW PRISON LIFE/The Villainess' Slow Prison Life Began With Her Broken Engagement.
You will love her ^^
yes i love queen bitch melissa and her partner in crime swagger yona ヾ(☆▽☆)
oh i also really love slow prison life! tho there’s only promo with 3 or so chapters :(( she’s truly a baddie. i’m sure if she and melissa meet they’ll be bffs who would break the egos of these good for nothing bastards left and right
Also add Cale the Trash Count and Bakarina and you have the perfect villainous dream team family^^
The Villainous Siblings:
The Cute Bakarina, The Psycho Sloth, the Lion Bitch and the careful Trash Count ^^
FAN ART PLEASE!
Boundaries and Respect in Fantasy Romance Novel Stories is like finding/looking for a needle in a haystack.
Beware of the villainess takes on a more comedic approach tho, so it doesn't feel as heavy as this storyline
I feel like all the ML in 'Villainess' story only interested with the villain because she no longer interested in him, not because they changed into different person, people could argue that the ML change because the Villain change but that's just BS, all those supposedly 'Villainess' are just being misunderstood and at worst only bully the heroine who cheated with their fiance/husband, just take a look at Abandoned Empress, she is not even a bad person, only bad at expressing herself, is it her fault that people misunderstand her even though she done literally nothing? Is people opinion of her also her responsibility? I read too many more stories with the same trope, the FL labeled as Villainess (mostly because she is angry that her fiance/husband cheated on her with the original heroine) then they reincarnated, regressed or whatever than vowed not to loved the ML anymore and plan the break up route, all of sudden the ML became obsessed with her and abandoned the original heroine.
I also noticed this absurd logic in most transmigrated rewinded Villainess or Reincarnated ex lover, fiance or wife stories trope...
She is suddenly not like other girls trope and automatically becomes everyone's target of hate, jealousy, conspiracies, obsession and toxic harem love.
And THEN they all realize how beautiful, smart, dignified and so special she is...
None of these FLs were plus sized (if they are fat, they need to become skinny fast) or are really "plain/ugly".
You realize most isekai stories are oversactuared actually immature trash.
You can see how long and stupid light novels titles are...
Otaku NEETS being in sexist fantasy action world full of moe waifus.
Innocent or loser pariah women in a sexist glamourous world full of shitty attractive powerful MLs.
There is always the unappreciated Second Male Lead (Syndrome) and I am getting annoyed of the dark haired tyrant prince ML type who is naturally stronger, superior and multitalented than the FL who is supposed to be very powerful/competent.
（￣へ￣）
Annoying Examples:
The dark haired ML with a tragic background story given "godlike/cursed" power and being very feared + priveledged in "I tamed the tyrant and Ran away", "The Lady Wants to Rest, "The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass" and The Villain Daughter Enjoys Her Seventh Life as a Free-Spirited Bride (Hostage) in a Former Enemy Country. The FL whom we have seen her struggle and how she earned her power is easily bothered and undermined by the superior brooding tsundere ML...
This is on of the reasons I truly hate Abandoned Empress... It mocks the silent but hardworking people and values the " I am better than other girls" vibe to make the ML be interested in her..
Yes.. Totally agree with you with the absurb logic of most isekai novels...
IKR, as a quite introvert person myself, I feel so wronged. In the 'Family' theme Isekai manhwa like ''Who Made Me a Princess, 'I am The Real One', 'When the Villainess Loves', they have these absurd logic 'Nobody loves you if you are not lovely, cute, cheerful, bubbly'. I mean do you have to be an extrovert to be accepted and loved even by yir family?
and there is even more absurd and sickening logic in those cheater ML who fall in love with the original heroine, then the fiancee/wife blinded by their jealousy call out the cheater and later got executed. The ML always crying out loud how they don't love her, how they are forced in the arranged marriage, how wicked she is but never even put a tiny bit of effort to break up or divorce her, it's only after he met the original heroine that he throw the divorce paper at her face, how fucked up is that. Cheating is inexcusable for whatever reason, if you don't love her or can't stand her, break up, it's unfair for the other person if you decide to break up only after you met your loved one.
I think the story "The Young Lady is A Royal Chef" will piss you very much off.
The og host is the daughter of a dancer slave but when she was born she was separated from her mother and her mother was then killed when her womanizing polygamist father and (the grandfather) send her away.
OG Host suffers under heavy mental illness and anger issues. She hates the dukedom and wants to leave for good. But they don't allow it. She was constantly being bullied and abused by the third young wife of her biological shit dad and her maids.
Just because she was a threat for the high female kitchen chef position...
The patriarchal male family members grandfather and her two older half-brothers looked down on her for being so gloomy, throwing tantrums and being useless. The biological father is absent and doesn't even bother.
They don't even care that she tried several suicide attempts!
After she finally succeed of taking her own life the MC takes over. OG Victim is quickly forgotten and never mentioned again and the MC who is more positive stronger, smarter, dignified, kinder, more smiley, charming, cute etc has a real talent for cooking that warms up the hearts of these patriarchal assholes who now appreciate and start loving her more with lots of affection and gifts.........
BULLSHIT!TRASH!THEFUCK!THEHELLWITHIT!BOLLOCKS!MYASS! (╬￣皿￣)凸
I really like the nuanced story, characters and logic of "The Pet Of The Villainess".
The cheating spinneless spoiled dumb prince and his parents are clearly the villains.
And the main characters develops through self-love, emancipation, (self-) empowerment, mutual respect and empathy.
Haha, yeah I dropped that story, I'm pissed off at the one who possessed the body, she never gave any kind of tribute to the OG suffering and happily being lovey dovey with the thrash family. I even got an argument with the reader who blamed the OG host for not reaching out, for throwing tantrums, it isn't the family fault for not noticing since at that era people isn't aware of mental illness and blah blah blah blah.
From all those who getting 'isekai-ed', I think Penelope from 'Death is the only ending for the villain' is the best, she sympathized with the OG cause she suffer the same shit, even though there is some brainwashing involved at the end, she doesn't whitewash them, she understand their circumstances but no matter what she is a person who get hurt too, she doesn't resent them but after all the shit she is been through is not like she can play happy family game like nothing ever happen, I can relate to that, she is not a saint but not evil either, just human.
THIS ONE!! AFTER I have learned what would happened... I immediately unread and do not want to touch it!! After 7 chapters of initially reading it
The reincarnated MC is a bitch!! She has no regards to the OG and she actually have the audacity to mock the original owner and has no empathy when she took over her body... She just continued her life like!!! WTF!!!
The Uke wants agency and independence and he has every good reason why he doesn't want anything to do with the shitty dumb immature Seme.
The Uke doesn't even get flustered by the Seme'*s current beefey body.
So the narrator brings suddendly a far more worse antagonistic guy into the Uke's life so he can get easily intimated, desperately run to the lesser evil and becomes romantically closer to the knight in shining armor Seme. Quite convenient....
The narrative doesn't allow a real strong competent Uke at all.
I mean he is no different than the classic damsel FL who is a poor struggling helpless pure virgirnal victim and everyone's obsession/target.
I realized I don't like cruel overpowered perfect multitalented obsessive tyrant MLs at all who are easily superior than the FL we always see struggling.
Even if he/Dylan is weak for the FL... When he decided to brutally torture and kill an informant and all his family members (whom with know nothing about) behind her back ...
It makes me think about the other tyrant MLs who killed many other people who were not all (that) bad until these Alphaholes declare their love for the FL who can reform him into a less murderous asshole...
They are often dark haired with golden, red or blue eyes.
They are naturally gifted since birth and their only attachment is always the FL who is automatically inferior than him.
He will stop at nothing until he owns her.
And of course, there is the unappreciated Second Male Lead Syndrome Guy who ALWAYS gets asidelined. What exactly is the point of his out of nowhere appearance?
https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/i-tamed-a-tyrant-and-ran-away.92068/page-16