And there we go. The fall in love with your rapist plot we all expect and know makes it’s appearance.
it was kind of annoying when there was the suggestion made that he bottom instead to prevent the nose bleeds, Aoba straight up refused and complained at the idea of Mano topping even though Aoba was a virgin and thus wouldn't even know whether he's prefer a sexual position. Really getting annoyed with this rigid placement of uke/seme it's so annoying and inherently misogynistic, taking a receptive role in sex is no demeaning ffs.
Yeah, I do think it would have been nice had Mano tried bottoming and still gotten a nose bleed then as well. It would have shown that they are both fine with either position, as long as they are together. Plus, as you stated, gay couples in real life don't tend to be rigid like that.
I though the same as both of you!
Super cute story and couple, I loved them, but stereotypes and heteronormative sure is repetitive in yaoi
If your really tired of the uke/seme stereotypes you should totally read Neko x Neko ! I just read it the othe day and it was so good. Basically after 3 years of dating the uke wants to try topping and while the Seme isnt up to it at first he gives bottoming a try for the MC. It really is well written, it deals with the physical stress of bottoming, the place in the relationship etc.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/neko_x_neko/
How about we don't pressure people to do things they're not comfortable with, cool? It's disgusting to suggest people should go out of their comfort-zone with sex when they don't want to, just because "they haven't tried". Cool it with the rapey attitude dude.
& how about we don't empower hets by letting them decide the narrative that we're not allowed to have preferences, just because they've abused it? This is a nicely written, perfectly avarage gay couple. They're not enforcing anything heteronormative, not every gay couple wants to switch. Am i misogynistic now because I'm a gay man that don't want to bottom? Anal isn't a walk on fucking roses, you know. Plenty of guys want nothing to do with having theirs messed with. Sounds real homophobic to me that we aren't allowed to have preferences, because that's literally the only thing this couple did that would have been stereotypical IF she had altered their personality/looks to go with it.
(I'm laughing at the first reply. Do you spend like, any time in our community??? Go on grindr to chat up some guys if you don't have access to gay rl spots and my dude your reality is about to change)
lots of ppl don't have to try things out to know what they like/dislike, so no...
It funny that you say that because even if a person doesn’t want to be a top/bottom/ vers whatever your argument falls flat because not every single gay man out there is having penetrative sex. That’s the beauty of sex straight, gay,lesbian, trans etc. reducing the conversation to hey he doesn’t want to bottom so let’s make his partner do it because whatever reason ( fear, hemroids, pain, internalized homophobia) it doesn’t matter the excuse. As someone who is characterized as a virgin it’s ridiculous to go the route of hey I don’t want something in my butt I have to fuck you insead to lose my virginity. You “lose” your virginity once you have sex of any sort ( oral, handjob, dry humping) this annoying basis of having to fuck something to claim ownership of one’s virginity is a societal conditioning so don’t come on here with some bullshit excuse of why this manga is an accurate enough representation of gay men. He can get a handjob for all I care and he’s now lost his virginity. I never said he has to force himself to bottom but he’s expecting his otherwise straight/ or bi partner to accommodate his expectations. That’s my point. You see theirs an issue of with you toping you make changes and compromise not dismiss any alternative when you don’t even have the experience to make such a call and understanding of whether your partner similarly can’t bottom for whatever reason as well. Plus Grindr is a hookup app fair enough but not everyone is fucking using Grindr as some playground reduced to queer men as all just set to sexual roles and finding a compatible sex partner. This is because of the members who use may use it for that intention but it was not the intention of the app’s creators or all users. ffs their’s options to just be looking for friends or dates not the fuck in your car because neither of you can host an impromptu hookup session granted from what I know of the app they’ve shot themselves in the foot with the introduction of tribes and such categories reinforcing tired stereotypes of sex and physical expectations.
I want to thumb you up but there is no option to do so lol
You do realize that NO ONE in this conversation said ANYTHING about forcing someone (fictional OR real) to do something they were not comfortable with or did not want to do. All we DID say was that we sometimes want more out of our fictional stories than the same old tropes and tripes of worlds where, more often than not, couples are one thing or another. Basically wished the story had not followed the usual oh so clear cut boundaries that so many yaoi manga do, and that it would have been nice (had the author been so inclined to do so) if the manga had given us a couple that did not define themselves solely as uke/seme, truly exploring a different idea than is (as stated before) usually shown in most yaoi. This story had that potential, and had the author OF THIS FICTIONAL STORY had decided that the seme DID decide to give bottoming a try for himself, he would NOT have been doing so against his will. Because that is NOT the type of couple the author made them.
"you make changes and compromise not dismiss any alternative when you don’t even have the experience to make such a call" Duuuuude what did I say about the rapey attitude? Besides, Mano did at no point say he didn't want to have sex or didn't want to bottom, so you're making stuff up now.
So, your entire argument is based on the definition of sex? In this case, the Japanese definition of sex (this is a gay couple in Japan after all). I would love to see a source on this actually! Hit me up with that link (don't worry if it's in japanese!)
I'm just gonna have to assume you're a gay man yourself since you're trying to educate me on gay sex. But you see, in my country, the official definition of sex is when a man penetrates a woman. That's a bit hard, so we have to make our own definitions. For some, sex is any sexual act as you've described, and for some both have to come for it to be sex. And for some, you have to penetrate. As we can't rely on the official definition, it's up to each person what they view as sex. I've known plenty guys who saw themselves as virgins until they had anal, likewise I've known guys who didn't consider themselves virgins after handjobs. I'd love to be educated on how it works in Japan though, as I don't have a clue there.
Wow, that grindr comment really flew right past you, huh...
"Aoba straight up refused and complained at the idea of Mano topping even though Aoba was a virgin and thus wouldn't even know whether he's prefer a sexual position"
" You see theirs an issue of with you toping you make changes and compromise not dismiss any alternative when you don’t even have the experience to make such a call"
Yeahhhhhh I hear you bud, this basically reads "Anyone has every right to turn down anything in sex regardless of experience/any reason". Reads as smooth as butter, don't it?
Again, FICTIONAL STORY, where we are talking about how it would have been nice had the characters BEEN REWRITTEN so that THAT WAS NOT their view. That means that THAT CONVERSATION would NOT have taken place. Geez dude.
Gosh, I must've quoted in my dreams, my bad.
i will never understand the appeal of having the person who bullied you and tormented you become your future love interest. like seriously it's one of the worst narrative tropes that authors consistently rely on. It perpetuates the toxic idea of someone likes you by picking on you or finding ways to "hurt" you to get their feelings across. It's such a damaging thing to keep telling people that this is aspirational. Pulling someone's pigtails so to speak doesn't mean I love you it means I don't love you enough to fully respect you. Worse this omegaverse genre is making all and every toxic trope have breeding ground within BL.
I mean, i completely agree with you, but in the case of this story i think calling the seme a "bully" is a bit extreme. If you look at the past memories of the uke, the seme was never actually mean to him (except the last time, when he threw his jacket on him... but even still, that couldve been a misunderstanding). I havent read the raws, but im assuming the whole bully thing was a concept on the uke's part. He probably couldve told the seme "No" multiple times, but didnt.
But yeah, i completely get what youre saying. I FUCKING HATE BULLIES. I REALLY DO. But in this case, i think hes less of a bully, and just someone who's mean/cocky to hide his emotions. Nothing he's said or done has actually been hurtful so ╮(￣▽￣)╭
He threw his jacket on him because he was wet...... He was being nice
Yeah, that’s what I figured as well... but for arguments sake, I didn’t want to jump to conclusions either ╮(￣▽￣)╭
All in all I don’t think this guys is a bully at all tbh
one instance of placing your jacket over your wet classmate well essentially calling them an eyesore is not being nice. Secondly a person doesn't to be physically bullied for it to be bullying. Our MC was bullied, he was repeatedly tripped, made fun of, targeted for his looks that fact that your excusing that because someone placed a jacket on him is ridiculous. This reaffirms my point made in the original post. People make excuses for how boys are suppose to behave when they like someone. You never hear that kind of garbage about girls because they're forced to play the role of being nice to their crush or their considered crazed or undesirable for being brutish. The double standard of how men and women are allowed to express their affection is exactly why we allow domestic violence to be an offshoot of "love hurts", no one should ever feel hurt when they are respectfully loved. I'm not jumping to conclusions, it's simply being excused and if you find this endearing that's exactly the sort of mindset that's the issue here.
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Uhhhhh where did I excuse any of his behavior? I explained that the jacket scene was hardly him bullying the other dude. Calm down
Um, actually...
I dont think he WAS "tripped" I think HE tripped. Like, if you look on the page, 10, they were already standing there...? Also, if they actually meant to trip him, wouldnt they laugh after? There was no laughter and they asked if he was "okay". When was he made fun of? When he told him to "come over when classes are over"? (Because he had no friends). When he said "i'll give you three minutes" (was probably a joke, or him saying thats how long he'd wait for him... not bullying). When exactly was he bullied for his looks?? When he said "just looking at you pisses me off"? Again, i think the seme was more talking to himself and this will probably be explained later...
All in all, i dont disagree with you. In fact, i actually agree with you and your points exactly. THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD. STOP ROMANTICIZING BULLYING.
But in this case, and in this particular manga, thats not whats going on (IMO).
Now, if we were talking about another manga, like say... Hidoku Shinaide or something, then I'd agree 100% handsdown
But for now, this aint it
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Honestly in this story, I can't confirm that the seme's an actual bully yet. I think his attitude is different from our MC and that he doesn't understand why he's like that. The uke never refuse him and I felt like the seme is thinking that he likes him that's why he's following his wishes. Unlike other 'bully', he helps him when he's trouble.
I have a quick question do people actually like puppy dog airheaded people in real life? Like is it endearing or annoying having to take care of them and they knowingly mooch off you?
BIG turn off.
thank god i'm not the only one. because honestly while i can understand how people find this story cute, this and others like it sometimes that annoy me to no end. Like how do some of these characters stay alive without assistance all the time.
There's a limit in my opinion. You can be airheaded but you better know how to, at least, cook some instant noodles and flush the toilet twice after a number 2.
Some things just ought to stay in manga.
i like stupid air headed ppl, i only need them to lessen the stress around me >< like donghae from superjunior
For me it's really annoying that i feel stressed so much
As long it's not an act i dont mind. In fact i kinda like it bc it lights up the mood.
I find it cute when I see airheads, clumsy people, etc. Yet as a romantic partner, I would say that a big NO NO, it would be really troublesome to spoil and take care of them, then I would feel guilty whenever they show that their really sad because I didn't spoil them enough :/ It just sounds exhausting tbh
Don’t know how it works in China but in actuality an oral agreement has no legal standing and does not bind anyone unless it is verified with an accredited witness. Poor kid was simply exploited by a once good person turned horrible at the promise of money.
Reading the raws made me furious that tattooed piece of shit! I know you guys are going to love the story regardless but god that guy is a real fucking dumbass.
What did he do to you??
Just the typical playboy nonsense. Read the 4the chapter you’ll understand. If someone did that in real life even if you’re friends before lovers you’re trashy as fuck especially when it’s not your fucking home and you didn’t ask permission.
Ah, yes! I did read the raws. I guess I read too many of these kind of guys (sleeping with someone when it’s not your house) so, I kind of just ignored that part of him. But I understand what you mean
honestly except for the MC everyone else involved seems like despicable pieces of wealthy shit especially that seme love interest. What is the point of characters who are emotionally unavailable and treat everyone around them like trash as long as they find it amusing and pleasurable? Like who reads this and says yes these characters are so great together because it will take chapters for a heartless bastard to "fall in love" all the while treating their future love like dirt on their shoe and have all of this ignored all for the sake of comedic porn?
Cliched seme trope? lmfao. He got raped and played too when he was young, you only read 7 chapters, chill.
honestly that's what makes me so the boohoo story of i had a shitty childhood so I became a shitty person. It's literally cliched seme trope 101.My argument still stands. Horrible things happen to good people unfortunately all the time, if you become the worst version of yourself that's sadly on you how you decide to react to your trauma it doesn't give you any right to project your pain onto another person so who cares if i've read 7 chapters he's still the same as literally any other toxic masculine seme.
makes me so mad^*
Wow, you just roasted this with so much accuracy. Especially the part about projecting your pain onto someone else. If you (referring to specific character) want to project your pain onto the people who actually hurt you I will back you up 100% but if you want to do that to someone who has nothing to do with it you'll never be anything but a shitty pos as far as I'm concerned.
somehow the blue haired Lee straight up annoyed me. Who takes 10 years to finally acknowledge their crushes existences in such an honestly rude and inconsiderate way and just act like that's perfectly normal. Plus our protagonist just following suit and accepting this lacking apology with the additional information that his crush is half mermaid with the calmness of hearing the weather. ummm okay?
Honestly I don’t understand why everyone finds this hot. I feel so uncomfortable how the blond guy is practically forcing the black haired friend to go along with his whims to point of it going past dubious consent. He just keeps pushing and pushing to have sex with the black haired friend and with the usual tsundere excuse it’s the narrative of the blond knows best because he knows what the black haired’s body wants even when he’s repeatedly says he’s uncomfortable. Sex should be enthusiastic consent not this swarmy smile and a few thrusts past no means yes.
Well that’s how screwed Up we are ╮(￣▽￣)╭