Mifa's Topics (133)

I guess it's a different perspective. I was actually surprised Jay waited that much for Yoohan to be ready, it was actually really sweet that he acknowledged Yoohan was scared. He didn't rxpe him and both first times were consensual, though the first first time was traumatic. Yes, he forced him to kiss him... but it's also consensual if you think he was his sponsor, and Yoohan agree to that... Problematic, maybe? But it was consensual.

Yoohan didnt know that he had to sell his body and he had to make that clear, several times. It wasnt consensual.

I agree, the rape/forced interactions in the beginning were kinda unsettling. It would’ve been a bit better if mc had vocally said he was fine with the sexual actions/wasn’t oblivious to what ml actually wanted. I also wished they pushed more into the background of why the ml was so obsessed with the mc (forgot names already). Maybe the novel explains more, but honestly I’ll just be satisfied that the mc got somewhat of a closure^^

Just as much as Dohyun didn’t understand Juhyeon, Juhyeon also didn’t understand Dohyun. It’s easy to point fingers and say who hurt who first, but in the end, they both hurt each other and simply needed to communicate better. Honestly, ghosting someone you care about is such an immature and cruel thing to do, especially to someone you supposedly care for. Of course, there are situations where ghosting is warranted, like in cases of abuse, but otherwise, it’s an incredibly selfish act. Dohyun’s selfishness might have hurt Juhyeon, but that doesn’t excuse Juhyeon’s decision to ghost him. Both were selfish in different ways, but their problems could have been resolved through communication. Of course I’m sure there are other factors at play for Juhyeons decision

Dude....its not the same. It wasnt miscommunication. It was Dohus selfish decision and way of dealing things.
I dont hate Dohu. I love him and i understand how much he is bad at reading emotions. But that doesnt mean that he can treat Juhyeon like that.
1- he stalked him for personal gain
2- he told him that he was interested in him
3- he assumed that juhyeons attention isnt real love, instead of asking juhyeons opinion.
4- he calculated when and how he will abandon juhyeon eventually.
5- he realized that he was in love. Instead of coming clean, he decided to hide because to him, "its significiant".
The whole point is Dohu is very self centered character. He always does things for his own gain or care. He doesnt bother to deal eith how he affect others, UNTIL HE MET JUHYEON. Thats when he realizes, he needs to change his way of thinking.
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Juhyeon didnt "ghost" Dohu. He left after he said "this is our last day". Dohu had many chances to explain himself but its his fault he didnt.

Yes, people. This is his fault for ignoring others point of view his whole point. Yes, he clearly doesnt have common sense so??? That doesnt make Juhyeon hurt less.

Compared to Dohu, Juhyeon was always very caring but as person and as boyfriend, he treated him well even when Dohu was stalking. He always made sure to feel Dohu better in literally every way Juhyeon is people-pleasure. Dohu is selfish. And they learn to balance, will have to learn.

Dohu needs to understand why his actions hurted Juhyeon. And clearly, people in comments needs to understand too.

Yeah but low-key the man's autistic...I'm sure if he could just "realise." How to properly react to contextual cues, he'd have done so already. He didnt explain himself because he didnt want to hurt juheon firstly, obvj bad bad, but he didn't actively choose to hurt juheon, he followed the decision which made sense most as a form of damage control to not hurt their relationship(terrible ending as we can see).

Plus you can literally argue that juheon did the exact same thing in doing things only for his self gain. The only reason he acted as a people pleaser was literally for his own gain. He only treated dohu well during the stalking phase for his own image.

Dohu was bullied just like juheon was, it led lasting marks on the both of them even if they responded to it differently. For dohu, it's an awareness that maybe he is just a loveless freak and everyone will leave him eventually, therefore he should get used to it. Which is likely why he tried to pretend that he was fine over juheon leaving, defence mechanism (even though he really wasn't)

Either way, I think both made mistakes as a result of circumstances that were never in their control. They were both selfish and both couldn't understand the other in the end. You can argue that dohu didn't understand juheon more or vice versa but it's better just to accept that they're idiots, who's surroundings forced them to develop defence mechanisms which hurt each other in the end (plus other stuff)

it doesn't make sense to point at dohu and be like "his fault, evil man chose to hurt juheon due to pure selfishness."

Juhyeon didnt get close to someone for "self gain". He just tried to be Nice from distance. Thats not using people. Thats protecting himself. And like i said, i understand Dohus situation but you and dogu needs to understand why Juhyeon was hurted by his actions.

"You and Dogu." low-key funny. I think I'm fine, I don't think people are saying that juheon shouldn't have felt hurt by dohus actions but I'm more saying that, yeah you relate to juheon but that doesn't mean people should solely rage about how juheon was hurt by dohus actions. If you read me and the other gals replies, I'm sure you can glean the fact we are saying ( trying to ig) that we understand BOTH sides, not just one.

If any comment saying that both were wrong means that we don't understand how juheon was wronged, then that feels more like you refusing to understand that it's a bit more nuanced and blaming only dohu. He did wrong, but for the same reason (surroundings) juhyeon also did wrong.


And yeah, both were protecting themselves in their own way. One was researching how to understand emotions whilst believing that nobody would care about him enough in the first place to be hurt by his actions whilst the other one was being a people pleasure, who used pretend niceness as a shield whilst also really wanting to be seen and accepted as he was.

I am not really angry towards dohu. I actually think he was in love with ml since first day but he is too silly to realize it. This is why i enjoy this drama because dohus feelings were real, more real than he thought. Of course, no way Juhyeon would feel this way since this is his relationship and Dohu is horrible at explaining himself. And the fact that he minimize the issue is what hurted ML because it mattered to ML. My comment was towards people who keep saying "what mc did wasnt big deal, ML is overreacting uwu be together again".... even though, ML repeatedly said how much he wants to be seen in story. Like, you cant erase his character. This is who he is. The conflict and the drama is needed. Thats what i am saying in the comment.

And like i said, being people pleasure is different than "using others". You cant just tell people "you are interested in them", stalk them, ask their body shape and having sex with them and somehow, being surprised that they thought its mutual love. Like, what were you expecting? Also, using someone else s story without consent is illegal. "İnspiration", yes but it went too far. Thats the point .

same, but I just think they want us to sympathize with him…

I understand that but its way too different than what we saw about their relationship.

I think it's because he's in denial that he's like his stepdad who beat anyone close to them to submission. Abusers tend to gloss the fact that they did something terrible and pretend it didn't happen or it was out of love

i mean like you said the stories are from separate perspectives. each character has different povs and memories of what happened. that’s why they’re not the same.

I just cant believe 'he is that denial'. He literally says how he punish Ruby regularly. Even if its narrative, why didnt we see some "yes, i did that but she deserved it" narrative, instead of "we were close. She even stayed she wanted to be with me, like marriage. She promised to be with me" like, what? If these moments happenned, why Ruby doesnt have any memory of this? What i am trying to say is: their memories doesnt look like "two sides of same coin". It looks like two different memories.

Ruby did mentioned before that she 'acts' in front of her family to not get punished and stuff. But i forgot when the abuse started, if i don't recall it wrong it was after the first marriage?

Idk i guess we will see. I still think its weird though.

Tbh, i dun trust his pov anyway. Since Ruby did mention the abuse he did and such. The guy prolly is so into his own bubble, he just views his memories in them rose tinted glasses. While erasing the stuff he did to her from his own consciousness.

Cuz ngl, i cannot explain it otherwise, we saw how he treated Ruby when he tried to take her with him. Dude didn't care one bit of how she felt.

So i can imagine that the way Ruby behaved in his memories, that it wasn't exactly the way he remembered it to be?

Kind of like, when A just doing common things with B and B suddenly thinks that A is in love with them, because A just simply shaked B's hand or smiled like they usually do. But B just ends up reading far too deep into it, so the memories/pov is kind of uuuuh...what it called...corrupted? Or something like that...

Why would Ruby say how she always wanting to be with him in his memories? Why would they hang out on grass together? Not once he threatened her or she seems afraid. She was the one who took the lead the conversation. Not him. This isnt even when they are with others. They are alone together. In other scenes where we saw how he abused Ruby, it was always him who was tsking the lead. Ruby was always passive. Like i said, i understand the "his perspective " narrative but heres the problem: He isnt the kind of abuser who denies abuse's existence. He is the kind of abuser who justify his abuse. "I hit Ruby because she deserve it". Like i said, their narrative is too different.

That's how narcissist works. They think what they're doing is an extension of their love and whatever bs they make up in denial that what they're doing is hurting the person in question. I would know as someone who has narcissistic parents and then later on studied and majored in psychology. They have a different sense of reality, entirely different to their victims. They don't think what they're doing is bad but a necessity.

I think i am looking at more from story perspective and makes sense of the narrative we got. We will see.

"If" she actually even said those things, is the question. Cuz again, it is his pov. A lot of ppl who are in denial with things or live in their own clouds/bubbles, yada yada, misunderstand stuff said by others, or just end up hearing whatever they wanna hear, even when it's not actually said.

The scene Haeyoung shows 4 normal photo and rxpe photo was especially very traumatizing.

Bro at that scene I screamed along with him. I'd also want to end it all there.

Same. It traumatized me more than r*pe scene. The fact that they took a photo, memorial of r*pe like some kind of serial killer psycho. The way they 'turned" his trauma into "hey, another happy new year". Like, its funny and normal day...like wtf...Haeyoungs purpose is to hurt him, what about others? Did those fckers think this is funny and normal? The answer is yes. The way they minimize mcs trauma is so realistically painfull. Yes, they really think this is funny....that horrible realization is what hurts mc the most. This vacation was supppsed to be friend party, like they did every year. But "party" didnt happen. At least, thats what mc thought But then he realized that this...this was the "party". This was just another new year vacation, like they did every year.....I cant imagine how worthless mc felt at that moment. All those memories were beyond ruined. "Was it ever real? Was it his fault?". The fact that they never left mc alone even after all this. Mc couldnt even have a time to calm down or recover because those r*pists keep coming. And mc stopped fighting back and letting it happen.
Ooof i knew story before i read But ince i love psychology, i kept reading. But r*pe after r*pe, after r*pe. Literally every single chapter? I wanted to call Olivia from special victims and expose their crimes to world and arrest them. Saving mc from this sht. Ughhh...i really needed to write all of these, thnks for reading.

Thanks for writing because that's exactly how I thought too. Like I want him to be saved but every chapter makes me realize it's too late to save him unless those r*pists die.

We wouldnt feel that way, if author didnt repeatedly torture mc. Well, at least he is happy in the end. Though he deserves better.

how so happy tell me the ending

From what i heard: He jump from cliff to run away from rxpists. The 2 of rxpist send some apoligise speech idk. Mc lost his memory. He later gain his memory. He gets therapy, i think but still traumatized. He ends up with Haeyoung, and Haeyoung also gets medicine etc forhis mental stuff. Mc forgives him and end up with him. Some fan said he is at least happy now.

Yeah I heard this spoiler too but didn't want to mention it earlier. I consider it a bad ending but if thats what the MC wants, well alright then.

I mean, of course its bad since criminals werent punished. But yeah...at least, haewon is happy.

Imo they did go beyond that initial premise. From Sak’s flashbacks it’s seen that he was always treated as an outcast, as something flawed. He was happy when the old man treated him kindly, which meant he wanted affection and acceptance after all. The only one who provided that in all his life unconditionally was Lima (not unconditional at first of course). This was a flashback after they destroyed the transmitter too so it wasn’t even about a caller anymore. That’s why in his monologues, he insists that he only acts for and only for Lima. Their relationship has transformed beyond, that’s why in the epilogues they are still loving, they no longer rely on a caller’s effects but love.

I read the story until the end. The "caller-bond feelings thing" didnt change. They literally explained this when Ml broke the transmitter. Basically, the "forced bond" was still there. Only thing that changed he no longer could feel his emotions or thoughts. Yes at the end, they are "happy" because Sak is only capable of likimg Ml and Ml is happy to someone who will love him unconditionally. But like i said, this doesnt feel like love to me.

I thought the broken transmitter meant the caller effects no longer work? It said that the effects should disappear over time, literally explained that Lima would no longer be a caller, since he was artificially made one through the transmitter. It said the only real caller was Nana, Hana's sister. So I assume that no longer reading thoughts meant no caller effect, and little changes meant that their relationship was already beyond the caller effect.

I thought so too but they said the "devotion" etc doesnt change when the transmitter broke. Hana and Nana situation is different because they are family so its natural them to love each other anyway but in Saks case, he is stranger and this devotion is the only thing he can feel. Why? Because he is born like this :////.

Well, I can your point, I think it's hard to actually tell whether that die-hard devotion Sak shows is from the caller as it really did start that way. I guess in this case it can go both ways tbh