Wait why are people saying Carcel is canonically stupid? I feel like the entire arc in season 2 where Ines and Carcel are apart from one another did a great job showing Carcel is in fact very intelligent.
Also in the beginning of season 2, if Ines hadn’t gaslit and guilt-tripped Carcel into sounding crazy, Carcel was about to figure out ines’ whole plan of using him as a pawn who she will later divorce. I feel like it’s clear he’s very smart.
Even this chapter, he has a solid plan when deciding to divorce Ines. The only reason it sucks isn’t cause it’s dumb, but cause Ines likes carcel now and wouldn’t want to divorce him anymore. But Carcel obviously doesn’t fully understand that, not cause he’s dumb, but cause he doesn’t have all of the information yet.
Carcel is actually smarter and wiser than most of these characters. He’s not relying on memories to live so he doesn’t have a cheat card like them. He’s living and making decisions as he goes and he’s never made any fatal decisions that destroyed anyone’s life. He also knew all along something was wrong with Ines and often came pretty close to guessing the truth.
Anyway, regarding your question you asked on my other post, here is the conversation from the novel that shows what Emiliano and Carcel talked about. I mixed up the pendant vs child but I corrected the post. I went back to look up the chapter:
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Carcel: Later, as soon as the wound recovers, go to Sevilla and take Inés and the child. Not right now…
Emiliano: Lady Inés....
Carcel: She's at a hideout in Sevilla.
Present Day Emiliano: I killed the child. I betrayed the grace you had given us, when I went back there and got caught."
Emiliano: May I dare ask you for one more favor?
Carcel: It's not enough to save you?
Emiliano: I'm sorry... but I have no one but you to ask.
Carcel: Say it.
He asks Carcel to find the pendant as the jeweler/pawn shop and deliver it to Ines.
Carcel: How can I deliver it to your wife? I won't even know where you guys will live by then.
Emiliano: We'll probably be separated soon...
Carcel: You're breaking up after all this difficulty? I'm amazed.
Emiliano: Lady Inés will soon return to where she was.
Carcel: Then you.
Emiliano: I'll probably take our child away far away. Peral, anywhere. To a very far place...... A place where I can't hurt Lady Inés.’
bruh once again it’s the shallow readers who take everything at face value and not think about it any deeper
Oh I just hate interacting to these kind of people who doesn't even read properly or once they brand a character as someone, they would just see him as that. Like a "Selective hearing" behavior.
Truth. It’s always them with their kneejerk reaction. The double standards are also so blatant. It’s okay for Ines to spend 17 years plotting divorce against Carcel but it’s not okay for Carcel to even consider divorcing Ines for like a few hours. Never mind he’s simply trying to fulfill her wish. The GOOD thing about this is the topic will not be swept under the rug. It will be dealt with in the near future. The fact that Ines plotted 17 years against him to use him and dump him.
Oh yeah I saw your reply to me, thanks. If they showed this in the manwha it would’ve been a lot less vague.
For real. I think his “sillier” personality that he has around Ines make people think he’s dumb despite him only acting like that cause that’s his wife and he loves her. Also it’s kind of ridiculous to think that cause his thought process and actions show otherwise. Also every time Carcel misunderstands something, people forget he doesn’t have his memories unlike most of the main characters.
Maybe cause I’ve read too much bl, but I was a little underwhelmed by seo-in’s backstory. It felt like we quickly shifted from his past struggles to the mc’s. Which I would be fine with, but I thought the purpose of the backstory was to show how seo-in’s messed up childhood fucked with his psyche making him this shitty person. But instead it just felt like we ended up getting more of the mc’s past suffering. Maybe we didn’t get the full backstory yet and we’ll get more later? Or maybe that really was it.
It did helped me understand seo-in’s character, but there’s still a lot of his pov that feels like it’s missing which made his backstory feel a little empty.
The double standards people have towards Carcel compared to Ines is crazy lol. So Ines gets to use Carcel to dump him and never communicates her thoughts with him even when he confronts her because she doesn’t want him to know about her plan, but Carcel divorcing her makes him selfish and uncommunicative? That’s applies even more to Ines.
Her feelings for him have changed sure, but she never properly communicated that to him so you can’t blame him for not knowing that she cares about him way more than he thought. Also, if she can use him as a pawn to dump him why does Carcel not have the right to choose to follow through with Ines’ plan? Why are people acting like only Ines has the right to choose when Carcel is also a part of this relationship?
I don’t agree with Carcel’s decision here, but that’s only because, as a reader, I have more knowledge on ines’ feelings unlike Carcel. So I don’t blame Carcel for feeling the way he does.
Not only that, Carcel has connected Ines’s plan for divorce with Emiliano leaving the pendant for Ines to find. To him, it’s probably like the joke’s on him since he was the only one in the dark so he arrives at his conclusion based on the questionable actions of both.
Oh I might’ve missed that. Yeah that definitely makes his feelings even more valid. He’s basically the only one left in the dark so he’s bound to make assumptions.
I also agree with everything you explained so well above in your original post. Fortunately, very soon Ines will come face to face with this very issue where she gets mad at Carcel for doing exactly what she’s ten times more guilty of and at last experiences a crisis of conscience. It’s time for her character development that the manhwa better not gloss over nor sweep under the rug.
I like carcel’s duality. He comes off immature, but he’s pretty observant and smart. Like its impressive that he’s able to remain objective and not jump to conclusions and crash out lol considering, from his perspective, he probably feels like he was ines’ last choice—used as a tool for a greater goal. I’m sure most people would not be able to remain patient and wait for the whole context. They might just feel disrespected and go off the rails.
And the fact that his number one worry is still Ines’ pain and not his own is amazing too considering he doesn’t fully know what she’s gone through yet. I’m sure once he actually finds out, he’ll be devastated for her since he’s already like this.
You understand this story so, so, well. This is exactly the case. The upcoming chapters, already all spoiled on Twitter, will showcase this so well. This arc will show exactly why Carcel is the ML and why HE is the one that makes all the difference for Ines. Ep99 came out Thursday and everyone is talking about his reactions to Ines’s suffering.
Ooh. Yeah I’m excited for these next couple of chapters.
I don’t get why some people are still more harsh towards Carcel when he’s been dealt with so many setbacks ever since Ines chose him this timeline unlike Ines who benefited from their relationship. Examples:
1. A mentally grown woman objectifies him and chooses him at the age of 6 to use as a pawn in a plan. After forcing him into an engagement she pretends he didn’t existed even when he accepts the unfair situation he’s in and tries to court her.
2. We also later find out that Carcel’s been tormented most of his childhood by Oscar because of Ines choosing him yet he never blamed her even when he resented her, nor did he let her know about it.
3. Now Carcel once again has to deal with Oscar trying to assassinate/ kill him because of his relationship with ines but is trying to keep this a secret from ines so she doesn’t worry.
4. There was also the issues of ines hiding her illness from Carcel, but when he finds out he instantly empathizes with her unlike his butler and doesn’t hold a grudge against her for hiding this from him.
5. He’s also under the impression that ines is in love with a man and seems to not want to push ines or interrogate her despite him feeling hurt and confused.
6. He also found out previous timeline memories of ines being married to Oscar and never looking twice at Carcel. But instead of interrogating her he continues treating her well as if nothing happened.
He’s had so many negative things happen to him due to ines choosing him as kids yet never makes ines feel guilty about it. But for some reason readers hold the most criticism towards Carcel mainly. It’s weird.
So true. Meanwhile, Carcel is left dealing with trouble from her past lives and cleaning up after the two men from her past lives.
RIGHT, would they hate an Angel like Carcel? Seriously, I don't get why they like that Painter more then this Angel
Too bad for them that Inés doesn’t hate Cárcel and will regret so much a lot of her past actions towards him. Ines hasn’t even realized yet just what a rare and invaluable treasure Cárcel is to her. She’ll even say she dare not measure his value now that she knows him better. What a beautiful line.
I’m excited to see that so hopefully the manhwa team doesn’t try to water it down like it did Ines’ other moments of self reflection.
Keep your expectations low though. I think there are certain things they cannot cut because they lead to certain development.
Yeah that’s probably for the best. I’ll keep that in mind.
Maybe it’s cause most bls have even worse MLs, but I genuinely don’t understand the sheer hatred people seem to have towards this ml. Not only are they in a contractual relationship, but did you guys forget the MC approached the ML about it first? And he’s the one who insisted he’s not attracted to men and that he’s only straight? Yes, the ML could be more empathetic, but the MC also hasn’t explained all of his trauma to the ML. He only knows the surface of the MC’s situation. I’m sure a better person could still understand the MC with that information, but clearly the ML isn’t that type of guy.
I don’t know, he’s obviously not your saint, flawless, green flag ML, but he personally doesn’t feel bad enough to be put on the same level as typical red flag MLs when there’s the nuance of their relationship being purely contractual.
Idk about red flag, personally he pisses me off. He is annoying and rude and MC is a pushover.
I can understand that. Sorry, I worded myself poorly. I didn’t mean to say people cannot dislike him. Just that I personally don’t view him to be nearly as unredeemable as some say.
No worries i didnt take it like that either. I dont find him unredeemable either but i worry there will be no grovelling. Fuck i find myself in a sunk cost fallacy balls deep into Jinx bcs of this thinking. LMAO i just find this vein of MLs punchable also bcs we haven’t had a good redemption arc of asshole tops in ages, for me personally.
Yeah I get that. Jinx was atrocious. This one also doesn’t look too promising either cause the mc’s falling first. I was hoping the ml would at least catch feelings since he’s open with his sexuality, but I guess not. It’s one saving grace is that the ml hasn’t done anything as horrible as the ml from Jinx, but that’s a low bar. Hopefully the author gives him a nice redemption and groveling arc at least cause the story has potential.
If there isn’t, I’ll just re-read Waterside Night to satisfy myself lol. The top’s horrible, but he’s well written and he gets a long enough groveling arc to the point where I’m satisfied.
also mc DOES sound insane and paranoid when he talks about being monitored and his brother wanting to kill him. combine the big claims he’s making with his poor reputation and mc not even giving the whole story, of course the ml would just assume that he’s mentally unwell or on drugs. obviously ml should listen more, but it’s (in-world since the reader knows the truth) a reasonable explanation
It most likely will, but I still hope the story treats the “cold hearted” Karas topic in a sensitive way because it’s clear that he was wronged in many ways by the people of his kingdom so he had almost no choice but to become the way he did to survive.
While I love both this story and seasons of blossom, I like the structure of seasons of blossom better. While it also focused on many characters and relationships at once, there was an obvious main couple for every arc/ season that took the most focus, which allowed you to really immerse yourself with those characters. In seasons of love, I feel like the main couples progression has been kind of choppy due to the amount of times we keep switching to different couples. It feels like we can’t even get one chapter of just them. The season’s finale is coming up and it feels like we’ve shifted focus to another couple once again lol. While the main couple still has not progressed much.
I still like both stories a lot though. I just prefer the flow of the previous story. I feel like it was more focused on one plot line every season.
kinda reminds me of bridgerton s3,, it didn’t really reach the same hype as the first two seasons cuz there was just sm going on (so many side couples and stories),, I love this story too but I wish we can focus more on the main couple and Σ( ￣□￣||)
Exactly like more charcaters keep showing up, more couples are happening to the point where u can't immerse yourself in any of them cuz u get crumbs from everywhere all at once, the last seasons of blossoms structure was much better, this feels like a total mess
I feel like some people might be jumping the gun on calling him a red flag. Obviously he’s suspicious, but I honestly feel like he’s not even human? Or he is but there’s something wrong with him psychologically that makes him act like he’s not or something? Like look at the stitches on his neck. Bro really got his head cut off. Is it like a Frankenstein situation maybe? I don’t know, I just don’t think he’s that type of “red flag” you usually see in BLs.
I lowkey thought the stitches on his neck were a tattoo but now u probably right maybe his head did get cut off
I’m honestly waiting for ines to share her guilt to carcel or just properly confess to him. I just feel like we always see carcel feeling guilt for things that are way out of his control as if everything’s his fault. So I’m hoping when ines confesses her shortcomings and guilt she feels towards him it’ll even out the slight unbalance in their relationship so they feel more equal.
It’s clear carcel believes the feelings ines has towards carcel aren’t at the same intensity as carcel’s. So I feel like if Ines is somehow able to communicate that she feels the same level of love carcel does it’ll progress their relationship to a better stage.
The issue with Ines is she keeps everything in her head. Also, the manhwa doesn’t convey well the fact that Ines is not a romantic person. Part of this is because of how she was raised (or family environment) and partly because of her personality which is like her parents. So it’s kind of funny later when she gets upset with Carcel for always having low expectations regarding her feelings for him or debating with him over who loves the other more.
However, Ines’s love for Carcel can already be seen in her reactions to him and the things she would do for him especially when we compare her past self in the early days of their marriage to her present self. She still has a lot to learn about love, showing love and voicing her love. For example, Ines would never willing use ‘Sun of my Life’ first. She thinks it’s embarrassing. It’s Carcel he uses it first and watch how she’ll begin to use these endearments because she learns this way of expressing her love from Carcel. Later, she even learns words of wisdom about love from Carcel’s mom. So, these are all new experiences for her despite the fact she’s lived three times already. Many new experiences lie ahead for her so look forward to it.
So, I do understand the imbalance you mentioned. Think of it as Ines learning love and how to express love from Carcel. Once Carcel sets an example of love, Ines ends up following it eventually. It’s rather cute to see how she’ll begin gradually begins to change to become a better lover.
Oh, I forgot about the guilt part, maybe in about 3 - 6 episodes, you will get your wish. Finally we can see some development on this topic on Ines’s side. I don’t think the manhwa can change it because it’s a pivotal moment.
Oh, and the guilt is addressed like the pattern in my first comment. Ines learns so much from Carcel’s example, generosity and overwhelming kindness towards her.
Thanks for all the details I feel like it helps me understand Ines better since the manhwa simplifies characters sometimes. After re-reading the newest chapters, it’s great seeing them interact for the first time after Ines got those memories cause I feel like you can already see how much more expressive she is with Carcel compared to before which shows her development I think.