I JUST read the raws for ch 4 and with the information there it is clear that the sex in ch 3 was rape. I had only seen ch 3 and honestly, i couldn't consider JUST that as rape for the reasons i stated in my comment "rape?" below. It took this look at the raws to change my mind, it shows -SPOILER- that the uke actually physically kicked the seme away after and while he did feel bad about the bruise he left, it seems more like he feels bad SPECIFICALLY about the bruise rather than that he kicked him during sex. If anything, the uke's mental/emotional state seem to be very negative and upset about what happened and the event seems to have traumatized him out of being able to "image" anything other than what happened. He's very awkward around the seme and tries to avoid him. I don't feel like "awkward" is a suitable word, he doesn't want to even look into the seme's eyes or talk to him after, it seems like he was truly traumatized. The seme continues to try to interject his way into the uke's conversations with Sasaki, understandably as he like the uke and knows he's attracted to Sasaki (or was before the rape, now it seems like all things sexual kinda repulse him and he can only "image" the seme.). The issue is HOW he does this, he goes so far as to show Sasaki the bruise he got on his stomach, bringing up a sensitive subject that the two of them had yet to even talk about that clearly disturbs the uke(the rape) to a person that the uke DEFINITELY wouldn't want to know. Frankly, it seems like he's manipulating and threatening the uke, "stay away from her or i'll tell her what happened". It seems their entire "relationship" and the way they interact has become the seme coercing the uke. At the end of ch 4 it seems like he starts to get lonely without the seme again because he pushed him away and the seme stopped chasing. Looks like he'll pull the seme back in despite all this, probably all according to the seme's plans. I guess the uke would rather suffer than be lonely, but i still don't consider this okay as, if it were the uke's choice, they would just be friends.
Damn it, i'm trying to post a continuation but it wont register me clicking "post"...
-CONTINUATION- there DOES seem to be a silver lining in them getting together later, seems like the uke moves past feeling just "loneliness" when the seme is gone to actually developing romantic feelings for the seme and he chooses to be with the seme himself. The rape was definitely rape and he did struggle with it but it seems that at 1st he gets lonely when the seme stops paying him attention after the outburst where the uke yells at the seme, then he spends time thinking about it and then he realizes he has real feelings because he gets jealous of a girl the seme is with, grabs the seme and runs with him before they talk, have make-up sex and officially get together. There IS this low-key feeling of irritation because it feels like everything went how the seme wanted it to go because the seme made the uke jealous on purpose and had been manipulating every aspect of their relationship such as directing the delusion to images of the two of them having sex, manipulating the uke's lonely personality by saying he'll leave and stop talking to him to get the uke to masturbate for him, constantly getting in the way of the uke and Sasaki talking, there was a scene where it looks like the uke rejects Sasaki for some reason and the seme smiled (cant tell if its one of those "deus ex machina exactly as planned" smiles or if he's just happy the uke rejected her), etc. This "manipulation" could be taken either way, was it done with negative intent (to "corrupt" the uke into not being able to even think/"image" about girls) or was it to open this straight guy up to the possibility of a gay relationship? You'll have to decide. Regardless the intentions the methods were shady and while the rape might've been the necessary "push" to get this straight guy thinking about gay sex, rape is rape and it definitely wasn't okay. I have a sour feeling right now, but that's just up to ch 5 maybe chapter 6 will have enough sweetness to curb that sour now that the seme has what he wants and wont need to manipulate the uke anymore. Honestly, personally i really don't like how they got together. It feels like the seme took the "dark path" to get the uke, like instead of "wooing" him he just manipulated him into it. It feels like the uke had no choice, i mean, after the rape he just couldn't do anything with girls... The uke is happy and feels like he made his own choice, but it feels like he took the only choice left for him.
I think i got something very important wrong here! After going through ch 3 again and taking EVERYTHING in, I don't think i was right about Kureshima actively participating in the rape. To be clear, it WAS rape, but i no longer think that Kureshima was intentionally raping Oono. I go over this in GREAT detail under my comment "so... About ch 3", more specifically in the reply i left to my comment. I think i was wrong about Kureshima's personality taking a dark turn resulting in the rape, i think that he was just having sex with the guy he likes and didn't realize till he was kicked in ch 4 that Oono didn't want it. If you want to see why i came to this conclusion, check out what i had to say up there^^^. Also, i had mentioned that i thought Kureshima showed Sasaki the bruise on purpose to scare/aggitate Oono into staying away from her, i take this back. I think Sasaki noticed it herself, asked about it, he told her he got it from somewhere and Oono felt bad about bruising him. I no longer think Kureshima is this Villain type, i just think he does some light, harmless manipulation where it matters to get Oono to face his own feelings. The masturbation scene is kinda an exception, here he is undeniably being a bit dickish, but i go into this in the comment up there^^^ as well.
He consented and was swept away... He never even said stop, just "wait". He said himself that he'd let the guy watch him masturbate, then got swept away by the seme's advances... It was just sudden so he looked a little panicked. I could agree with "coercion", but not "rape". He did hold leaving over the uke's head to get him to masturbate, but there wasn't really any force involved.
Well you'll see in the next chapter if really didn't resist... (keep in mind that many readers checked the raws)
He's way too confused to be able to consciously give consent anyways, it's pretty obvious he has no idea what is going on (at this point he's not sure if this is real or fantasy).
Coercion: "The action or practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats." is a form of abuse and when pentration is involved in abuse it's called rape. The legal definition of rape is basically: abuse involving sexual penetration, period. Rape doesn't necessarily involve drugging someone or having a knife to their throat... In most cases not saying anything and being passive is a frightened/confused "no".
Okay, i'll have to wait till the next chapter then and see how the uke handled all this, i can't really say, based on ch 3 alone, that it was rape. I just cant, i'm sorry. I actually know the definition of coercion and used it here on purpose, the coercion was to get the uke to masturbate not to have sex with him, so at the very least, if the sex really WAS rape, he wasn't coerced into that, but the masturbation. I used "coercion" because the seme persuaded the uke into masturbation with the threat of leaving. Hence me saying, coercion, plain and simple. It fits the word by definition. Now, the issue with saying "well, he was coerced and then penetrated" is the METHOD through which he was coerced and the lack of force applied during the sex as well as the lack of resistance. He was just threatened "that he'd leave", that's it. It was the uke who placed importance in these words and decided that masturbation was a better alternative. This is consent, plain and simple. HE told the seme not to leave, out of the self-interest of him NOT wanting the seme to leave, while under the understanding that if the seme stayed he'd be agreeing to "let the seme watch" as those were the words said aloud. Sure, it left the uke confused, but if it was JUST confusion and not disgust/rejection of what was happening then it was just coercion to masturbation, then the uke getting swept into sex via his delusions and the semes advances, i think the idea was that the seme was making(?) the uke imagine everything that he was saying, hence him being so shaken. How would you feel if you were a guy imagining a girl as per your usual only to suddenly be bombarded with vivid gay fantasies? Of course he wasn't calm. I think people are mixing up this "shock" with "rape" and a lack of consent. I guess there're 2 missing factors here for me to view it as rape: 1. I need to know how his delusions effect him, are they kinda like a slip from reality and leave him unable to fight back or was he back the moment the seme was done dirty talking and was pulling up his shirt to touch his nipples and show the uke that "delusions and reality are very different". If he was kinda incapacitated the entire time by his delusions while the seme was making him see things about them, then i'll say it was rape. If his delusions make him kinda out of it then ihe wouldn't have had the mental clarity to consent to the sex and in this case the shock might be an indication of no consent being given. Similar to drunk sex, specifically the kind of drunk where the person can't think rationally, i actually believe in consensual drunk sex if the person is just tipsy and actually wants it. 2. Like i said, i REALLY need to see how the uke feels about it after, if he's just fine then it wasn't rape, if he scarred and wants the seme out then it was rape. It IS possible he'll kick him out just for some time alone to think, so mood here really is the key.
he didn't give consent. he didn't fold in to kirishima's request to masturbate in front of hime (something he also did NOT want to do) with the expectation of being fucked by the bastard.
He consented to the masturbation, then when Kureshima was dirty talking to him during his delusion he said "i'm starting to feel like last time", as in he just said he was getting horny. "last time" was the delusion ending in a footjob from Kureshima. You're right though, he didn't expect to be fucked, that's why he acts so surprised. Kureshima is a bastard, you're right here too, he should've properly prepared Oono's ass, when he thrusts in it makes Oono yell. 1st time anal is pretty painful, let alone with no condom and using spit as lube... Maybe he thought he had to be quick so Oono wouldn't have time to think about it too much and get out of the mood? I'm assuming the only reason he was even able to enter that way is because Oono got really horny.
I guess a lot of people didn't like it for some reason? It was a pretty simple plot, i suppose: 2 guys meet in highschool and become VERY close friends spending time together everyday, one of them is gay and seems to have been in love with the other all along with the straight guy kinda noticing he's gay, but not really going into it further than just suspicions. The straight guy graduates and moves to the city, 3 years later the gay guy moves to the city also and for 3 months he moves from house to house living with sex friends until he runs out of options and has to ask his old crush for a place to stay. Straight friend agrees and they start living together, co-habitation reminds the straight guy how much he used to like spending time with the gay guy and when a mutual friend calls and tells the straight guy that the gay guy might be gay, the straight guy remembers his forgotten suspicions from highschool and thisalong with a caught-masturbating scene sparks him to think about what it means that his friend is gay. The two had started work together, the straight guy sees a co-worker hit on the gay guy which prompts feelings of jealousy because through co-habitation and thought of his good friend's sexuality he is starting to develop feelings for him, though he doesn't quite realize yet. He finds it strange that he's jealous of his friend's relationship with the other male co-worker and out of curiousity pays some attention to the co-worker only to find that he hates the guy's personality, this along with his jealousy and growing affection for his gay friend makes him wonder why it can't be him. After all, the guy has a terrible personality, but for some reason his good friend is paying him no attention and instead is going for that asshole, "it makes no sense". Straight guy goes to the restroom one day and happens to hear the co-worker fucking the gay friend which actually turns the straight guy on so he masturbates to the gay guy's moans. At this point it has been made clear to the straight guy how he feels, theres no denying that he just masturbated to his friend and now he's able to place his jealousy, he leaves the party he was attending to go home and discuss their relationship with the gay guy only to catch him about to leave. He tells the gay guy that he heard them having sex and just comes clean about what he'd been thinking, "why isn't it me". The gay guy is freaking out that he got caught because he'd been trying to keep his sexuality a secret from the straight guy he likes. Straight guy interrupts gay guy's babbling with a kiss and then feelings are affirmed through sex after gay guy confesses to straight guy.
I personally really liked it and while I DO think in hindsight that the straight guy's acceptance of his own gay feelings was a little quick, it didn't feel too quick at all while reading it. It's just kinda like, "well, in hindsight i guess it COULD have taken longer". I thought the pacing was okay, and i liked how the story was presented.
I love how you say "it's a simple plot" and when I press the + button there is this freakin' huge paragraph xD
But... There is only so much space per sentence :‘^(
Chanyoung is so selfish! He realized that Heesu is in love with him this entire time?! He's been purposely hurting Heesu to try to get him not to like him because... What? HE didn't want to lose a friend? That is SO sad, i feel SO sorry for Heesu and while i don't want him to hurt i DO hope he finds out and stops talking to that asshole. Idc if he's playing cupid for them, its AFTER the fact and he's only doing it for himself, because Heesu's feelings are an inconvenience for him getting in the way of the friendship he wants! He literally just said "i don't like guys, but I like being friends with Heesu. I tried to get him to stop liking me by being mean occasionally(shows parts that we've seen from Heesu's PoV that really hurt and even scarred him, the part where he realizes Chanyoung doesn't like how aggressive he is about his feelings and this causes Heesu to literally change his ENTIRE way of interacting with Chanyoung and forces him to be more docile about his feelings). I found someone who might finally do". Nowhere in there does he mention wanting Heesu to be happy or even feeling bad about "being mean"! Go back and read that, all he talks about is what HE wants from Heesu and how he might have finally found a way to KILL HEESU'S FEELINGS... Because he wants to be friends he has been looking for ways to hurt him and is now even looking to set him up with another guy, not because he wants his friend(whom he has tortured) to be happy, but because he wants someone who he can use to deflect Heesu's feelings so they can be "normal" friends. What a cunt!
Where’s the TL;DR version?
Anyway yes, he’s fucking selfish and greedy, and how is that a bad thing? He’s the most realistic and relatable character in this webtoon. Imagine you have a really good friend who accepts you, who admits your existence, who follows you everywhere, you like being with him but they like you sexually, but this guy doesn’t even confess so you can’t reject him, I’d do the same as Chanyoung. You don’t want to lose your best friend, he’s already became an important part of your life, but you can’t just force your feelings and be with him. So what would l do? Hell yeah go find him a lover.
And I like him this faaaaar better than the usual “you don't know what you've got until it's gone” trope like “uh oh no, don’t take my best friend, I actually like him too” bullshit. BUT sadly somehow I think the author will take this way later
No. You tell them that you aren't attracted to men... It's a bad thing because he is willing to throw aside Heesu's feelings even after witnessing first hand how strong they are. It's a bad thing because, instead of thinking about his "best friend's" happiness, his thoughts were only about himself and how HE wants to stay friends and had no problems with hurting his friend and even traumatizing him just because he isn't willing to let him go(not that rejecting him even WOULD mean they can't be friends, that's all on Heesu), even though he pushed Heesu away himself PLENTY of times for his girlfriends... I've been in this situation with a girl that was coming on to me, i'm gay and we were talking when the topic switched to "what if i had a girlfriend" and her reply was "well, i'd ask why it isn't me". You know what i did? As soon as i realized she was interested in me, right then and there i said "if i were straight i'd definitely date you, i think you're really attractive, but i'm gay and can't look at you that way". Now we're just friends and she can move on. THAT is the proper way to handle things, NOT to try and flaunt my boyfriends to her and hurt her by telling her i can't spend all my time with her... If i had heard her talking about being interested in me or if, like in this case, i'd SEEN it VERY clearly i'd have done the same.
No, he's wrong that wasn't the best option. Heesu hasn't confessed to him but if he noticed and was sure that in no way he was going to reciprocated his feelings, he should just reject him. Now it seems he only want heesu friendship because is convenient and is in not way doing in for heesu as person because he is taking his feelings lightly.
Yeah, it COULD have been a refreshing change, IF they hadn't made Chanyoung so selfish. The way he thinks is VERY clear, it's about what HE wants and how he can get it. If it had portrayed him as "just straight and not wanting a relationship, but valuing his friendship" i'd have been fine, it's the lack of the last part that pisses me off. He doesn't value their friendship, if he did he'd tell Heesu he knows and reject him and allow them both to move on. I find it likely that Heesu wouldn't have left and cut ties anyways. Even if he did, that should be Heesu's choice anyways, if being around Chanyoung is going to hurt him he should be given the choice to leave, even if it sucks for Chanyoung. The fact that Chanyoung was okay with Heesu hurting and was even actively trying to hurt him shows he doesn't value their friendship. Or maybe a better way to put it would be that he doesn't value Heesu. You say "it's realistic" like that's a good thing, but i don't see how. Sure, he's realistic, a realistic asshole. A realistic decent person would tell them they know and reject them, that's realistic too and that would've been the good thing to do.
I know, trust me. Read my responses to him.
Thank you for this! I couldn't agree more to something.
Instead of thinking "how nice of you" I ended thinking "woah such a jerk"
His intention was good bit that doesn't matter if he did it by this method, it feels like he doesn't even care for Heesu as he claims because he is toying with his feelings.
Yeah, well no matter how you look at it that is not a good thing to do... Why drag it out and hurt him as much as possible rather than just tell him you know and reject him while explaining you just want to be friends? He literally says he went out of his way to hurt him too, so its not like he JUST kept quiet about it either, he went out of his way to hurt Heesu by flaunting his girlfriends and ignoring Heesu as well as saying mean things... Honestly, i wouldn't say that his intentions being good is even a factor here, whether you're trying to be an asshole or not, if what you're doing is scummy it's scummy. Also, it's not like he didn't realize that what he was doing was bad, hence him admitting to being "mean" at times, he realizes that what he is doing isn't okay to some degree, but rather than take the logical step and come clean and reject Heesu he's just trying to find someone to take Heesu's feelings so he doesn't have to deal with them because they get in the way of the friendship HE wants. Nevermind what Heesu wants, not even a thought on that, nevermind that Heesu has been unhappy for YEARS because, as Chanyoung acknowledges, Chanyoung has been being an asshole(he says "mean", but thats an understatement) to him for years... It's all about what Chanyoung wants and he'll hurt Heesu as much as it takes to get what he wants. I love the "but hes playing cupid!" comments, it's hilarious that people even bring it up as some sort of "counter" or "good point", he literally SAYS that he is only doing it because "my gay friend likes me, but i'm not gay and want to stay friends. I decided to try to hurt him multiple times over the years and to flaunt my girlfriends to him to get him to stop, but that hasn't worked. Something is finally changing, maybe this new guy will work". He isn't doing it for Heesu, he doesn't mention feeling bad about "being mean" or even "playing cupid" to give Heesu happiness, he literally TELLS US that the reason he's "playing cupid" is because he wants to stay friends, but doesn't want to actually confront Heesu's feelings. I can't wait for Heesu to find out that Chanyoung knew all along and that all those times Chanyoung ignored Heesu for his girlfriend or said mean things were on purpose... I really don't want to see Heesu hurt, but i want Chanyoung to pay for what he's done and i want all these Chanyoung sympathizers to see Heesu hurt at what Chanyoung did and realize that, no, it wasn't okay and sure as hell wasn't "good".
I can handle his "love is a game" mentality, i can even handle that he went into interacting with Jisah with this mentality, but him calling Jisah's ex to make him vulnerable and swoop in to "save" him is disgusting. I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't a SHIT ton of men who just want sex, hence me understanding him originally just being a playboy and just wanting to mess around with Jisah, but him doing an extensive background search and then calling up a trauma from his past to stalk/scare him into vulnerability is just too much. I can't imagine if, say, a guy called up someone who had raped me and told him to appear in front of me just to leave an impact when he "saved" me... If i found out it'd be over instantly, like, so quick. I'd immediately call someone over or go to a friend's house and tell him to never come near me again. Who cares if he fell in love AFTER all that? If he was willing to go that far BEFORE feelings developed then what is he going to do now? He can't call the police either, he won't be able to prove it, if he even finds out... I want him to find out and leave him. THEN, MAYBE, with some serious regret and actual wooing, MAYBE, it'll be okay if they date. MAYBE. I personally would like to think i wouldn't let the guy back in after that, but love will make you do STUPID things. No, i definitely wouldn't, i was thinking as a reader still, i wouldn't have that top-down perspective that shows me how that guy really feels about me or if he was still manipulating things so we'd stay together. I wouldn't be able to trust him after that. Thinking about it from a 1st person pov, it'd be absolutely retarded if Jisah took him back if he found out and left him... From his perspective, all he'd know is this guy just took manipulation to a disgusting new level and fabricated their relationship before *maybe* falling for him. WE know he loves Jisah because, again, top-down perspective, but JISAH couldn't possibly know and why would he believe him? Throwing this out there too, if Sun-yool knew about this he's just as guilty, no matter how charming he is.
Upvoting. Wow, you said everything as I would have said here and a little more. Nice!(づ￣ ³￣)づ
Sensible comments like these are keeping me sane. Thank you.
Lol, np. Try not to be TOO irritated with the "yay, he said yes" comments, i think they might not realize what that chapter showed. It's easy to go into this thinking it's a fluffy BDSM BL with some drama thrown in, but this latest chapter JUST showed us how much of a bastard Heejae truly is, they're probably still on that initial line of thought and didn't catch the switch. (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Thank you! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Aye... I am just a bit irritable because I went through mental abuse and the fact that people don't know what it is or can't recognise it had real life effects on me... it's also so obvious... This chapter makes it so clear... But hey, you are right, it's no big deal! ^^
That's true. In real life, we see stuff like this we get the hell super duper scared and run like hell in the opposite direction.
But suspect Jisuh is clearly a closet M who's just met an S (and no, I'm not joking. I think they're the closest thing I've ever seen to the real life diagnosis) and he might see things differently...
Honestly!!!! If I could upvote and pin this comment, I would lol. Like I don't get how people can still possibly like that Heejae is developing feelings when he literally used Jisuh's ex as a manipulative power hand. Like are they reading the same webtoon or what lol
Shit, i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, seriously! I mean, i did mean what i said, but i didn't mean for it to be insensitive!
That is true, he IS an M and i wonder if that would affect his judgement, i suppose it's POSSIBLE he might be okay with it. I can and cant see it because while he is an M, in BDSM there is a certain level of trust that makes you okay and able to accept what's happening, what Heejae did breaks trust entirely. Idk... It wasn't a decision made in trust between them, it was a manipulation the seme used on the unawares uke that REALLY scared/shocked him.
No, you didn't, it's the other people who don't get it who are annoying me! Your comment was good!! Relax!! ^^
I am uncomfortable about the way BL like this blurs the line between BDSM and abuse, you will get gentle, loving couples who love hardcore BDSM and you'll have softcore couples who have abuse. But Jisuh isn't consenting to the abuse, nor does he know he's being manipulated abused. The example of him being unable to say no during sex because he wanted affection is clearly a break in consent in BDSM and that is a shift from being an M to being sexually and mentally abused.
And seeing things differently how? Like he's happy that his ex turned up and the pain made him happy... He enjoyed having sex he was not enjoying? Nah, sorry.
And there is no "M" and "S" real life diagnosis.
Hmm... I don't consider that sex scene to be mental and sexual abuse personally because it didn't seem, to me, like the crying was caused by the seme so much as by Jisah's own insecurities and an eventual overload of emotions when he was too confused about what to do to say stop. I don't think it was necessarily the sex that made him want to stop so much as how LONG they'd been having sex. He was tired, but scared that if he broke their usual slave/master routine to say he was tired and wanted to stop that he'd displease Heejae and they'd stop being together altogether. He's in love so that scared him.
"Then I'll reward you with affection" He deliberately slipped that in there so Jisuh wouldn't say no.
That's a flashback, i believe from when they first started their play as he is trying to reassure Jisah before they start. I don't think that that is from this session of sex. I think that was him saying "don't be scared, i'll love on you all you want" because they were about to do BDSM.
It is from this session of sex, but if you read back it was before Jisah was tired and the manner in which he said it was sweet, not manipulative. He was trying to calm Jisah down before they started and during the beginning because Jisah was acting weird about the sex and pulling away. WE know it's because of Jisah's feelings and internal struggle with them, but Heejae didn't know and was trying to console him while hoping that it might actually be because Jisah wants him. He was saying "don't worry about it, we'll have sex and i'll give you all the love you need. No need to overthink it ir be worried".
I'm really hoping they aren't blood related somehow... He hasn't talked to the uke yet so hopefully... I'm sorry, but i'm kinda hoping he gets with his redhead friend if they're related because incest is a bit of a line... Even if he's only his half-uncle, they're still blood related. I've been into the redhead anyways for a while now, so if shits going to go this far south i might jump ship to redheadXseme. Idk, i REALLY do want the uke to find happiness, he shouldn't have to live life so broken, but not with his half brother's son... I just don't know how this could possibly end happily for everyone if they aren't together though... The seme IS the uke's happiness, he was miserable before he came and his life/attitude were changed entirely. -crosses fingers that they aren't blood related-
-crossesfingers i hope they are-
Okay, to each their own. It's not like i'm completely and utterly rejecting of incest, in SOME cases. I view feelings as very important and know that you cant help who you love, but i personally draw a line at close blood ties. Idk, its just weird thinking of it from the uke's PoV, think about it, he is choosing to get with his own BROTHER's SON. *half-brother*. That means he knows that at one point his own blood raised this kid with love and he is willing to be with him anyways, he knows his brother used to look at this kid as something precious, as his son, and he is willing to be intimate with that. I can deal with non-blood related incest for some reason, idk why but it doesn't feel as bad, but blood ties are too much for me. Well, i think i know why. It's because if they aren't blood ties they could've just been strangers had things not went the way they did. Like, if your mom marries some guy and you end up getting with someone on his side of the family it isn't as weird to me because if they hadn't married you guys would have no connection.
yes
I didn't expect to see so many people focus on Nam's girlfriend, the story has clearly built their relationship up to a breakup in the near future. She doesn't really seem to be an important character tbh, it introduced her (if you can even call it an "introduction") through one of their casual interactions shortly before showing us that there might be issues in their relationship due to Nam's inferiority complex. Since then it has been nothing but downhill. She's clearly just there as a token, to show he was straight. As far as "feeling sorry/bad for her", she is the one with the pants in the relationship, she talks to him however she wants and it's safe to assume she is choosing, for now, to stay with Nam. She doesn't appear to have any issues with breaking up with him as she literally just said "do anything shifty like this again and it's over". He views himself as lucky to have her and she knows that and views herself in a positive enough light to take control of the relationship and even break it off if she deems it necessary. Plenty of self-love, i don't think we'll need to feel bad for her when SHE chooses to leave HIM.
Well said ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Indeed, from what it seems, she has a backbone and it is she who initiates their break up in later chapters (after seeing him in erm a compromising position).
(spoiler)
Lol, i'm looking forward to the... Compromising position! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Oh no... That second hand cringe was so hard i nearly clicked out when he pulled out the dildo because i knew what was going to happen... Seriously saw it and was like "oh fuck!" and clicked "options" on my dualshock to close the window and avoid the embarrassment. ヾ(>_>❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Kept reading till she came in though
how tf can I read the chapter bc everything is on korean and nothing appears （/TДT)/
Honey, Cloud said he read the RAWS, raws qren't in english. You have to scroll down to see the manhwa on that link btw.
Aren't*
I'm not familiar with all the terms used on this site, but RAWS/raws generally means the original, untranslated to English work. Therefore the link I have is to a Korean site. It's a webtoon format so you just need to scroll down, also there is a google translate app which you might find useful. Maybe this has cleared things up! :)
Here are the original official sites
https://www.lezhin.com/ko/comic/modest
https://www.lezhin.com/en/comic/virtue
Naru is manipulative, but he's also caring, he stopped mid-way during sex with Oto because he said the finger hurt and just let Oto cum, he didn't get to. It seems like he really cares for Oto, but he is desperately in love and it clouds his judgement every once in a while. A "fuck it, it's worth it" kinda thing. I don't like how they're portraying Oto, it's not that he's just innocent, the manga makes him child-like and makes Haru mature. It's reminiscent of pedophilia, but if you look in the flashback they aren't that far apart in age. It shows them both as toddlers next to each other, if Haru was much older he would've looked like a kid next to toddler Oto, but he also looks like a toddler. It seems Haru just grew a lot and Oto doesn't grow very much? Honestly, you can see the child-like way of think Oto has is intentional, he's old enough to cum, but doesn't have basic sex ed? Not even just the lack of knowledge, he thinks like a child too, he thought Haru was mad at him for looking at porn mags so he went home and cried before apologizing like he did something bad the next day... It'd be interesting if Oto were actually manipulating Haru too, letting him think he acts that way and jumping into bed with Haru to give him the opportunity to make a move. -fingers crossed-
yea, i agree. its pretty pedo-like regarding 'mental' age. i think oto is too dependent on naru, so he acts more childish with him. we haven't seen his interaction with others yet though, he could just want to be spoilt by naru and subconsciously act more innocent. plus he isn't developing like his peers because he isn't interacting with them, so he doesn't have much experience with what kids go through to grow.
That is true, we haven't seen how he acts with others. He does also mention that he is socially an outcast, its just too much to me though, he's literally a child mentally and i don't feel like simply not talking to classmates would be THAT bad. I was pretty antisocial myself, i really only had one friend i'd hang out with everyday and i can't see that as realistic. It really feels to me like either the author went out of their way to instill that pedophilic feeling or they're gearing up to reveal a personality twist. -crossing fingers for interesting, manipulative Oto-
I was a OTO, haha, I didn't know sex till 15 and had only few friends, and then my life changed at 18 when I discovered Yaoi :P
It'd be really interesting if Sohyoon ended up being the top after the surgery, if you think about it they're both depicted as both masculine enough to top and feminine enough to bottom.
That would be sssoo epic! Pppfftt
Why only after the surgery? Is not like you can't be a top without using your legs. As long as your "thing" works... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I feel like they're a pretty reversible couple. I like that, it feels realistic.
I think the reason is obvious, i mean, i guess you COULD, but that doesn't seem realistic to me. Plus, a lot of his "femininity" comes from his handicap, like being princess carried or falling asleep on his lap, etc. I feel like if his legs healed his masculinity would shine.
Again, why not? "Riding" is a thing (ノ≧∇≦)ノ
I strongly dislike / disagree with the rest of your comment so I'll pass answering that (no offence though! Your opinion is your own!)
Again, you're interchanging "submissive and dominant characteristics" with "topping or bottoming". He comes across submissive because he is dependent and that gives the feeling that he'd bottom. Again, sure, he COULD top, i just don't see that as realistic. If they had portrayed him in a more masculine light rather than as a frail, pale beauty THEN maybe it'd be different.
Let me be more specific, in THIS CASE SPECIFICALLY, because of the way they portrayed him, i can only see him being on bottom because the manga plays off of his legs to make him more feminine. He looks pretty masculine in the face and he used to be an athlete, so i could see him topping, but as long as his leggs are being used to make him feminine i cant see him topping.
Arghhh, No, you're the one who doesn't see my point: the act of penetration in a gay couple DOESN'T have anything to do with which one of them is more "traditionally femenine" out of the two of them (wtf is traditionally feminine anyway? The shortest one? Weakest one? Bigger eyes? Lololol). Since this manga is actually taking a more progressive view than others, I prefer imagining them as being ~gay~ instead of ~uke and seme~.
You're the one mixing up dominant and top, btw. They're completely different concepts!
The fact that someone's dick goes on someone's ass doesn't have anything to do with their personalities, just their personal tastes. Of course in yaoi there's the magical barrier that protects the "semester"'s ass, but that's because usually they depict a heterosexual relationship where the girl has been substituted by a random dude.
This is my last comment here btw. If you want me to answer further on this I'll do so by pm.
"No, the act of penetration in a gay couple DOESN'T have anything to do with which one of them is more 'traditionally feminine'", yeah, i literally never said that, but whatever is easier to argue. What i HAD said, in great detail so you'd understand, was that sex is very fluid and that what position you take during any particular bout of sex is tied to your mental state at the time. If you're feeling SUBMISSIVE(NOT FEMININE, SUBMISSIVE) then you'll bottom, this is what a SUBMISSIVE person would do. "i want to be fucked"-every submissive person ever. I further went on to say that you can switch from SUBMISSIVE(the words actually matter) to DOMINANT at any time with the right trigger, this is why sex is so fluid. You can go in submissive, but then get turned on and then the moment you go from "i want to be fucked" to "i want to fuck" you're no longer submissive, you'll be playing an active roll in the sex, more hands on and rough. This can lead to you topping, but only if your partner isn't expressly a top, in which case you need to talk or find someone sexually compatible. No, "feminine" and "masculine" are a combination of many things, the way you act/personality, tastes, looks, etc. In general, the one that comes off more "feminine" is going to be submissive and will bottom BECAUSE they're submissive. Do you get it yet?
In addition to my last reply, Dominant and "top" are different, so not interchangeable, but are closely connected. If you're wanting to "dominate" someone in bed, then you're going to be "on top" or "in a position of power" depending on your physical capabilities. If you're a guy fucking a guy you'll be on top or riding him, a girl fucking a guy would be on bottom but riding/pulling hair/scratching back/etc, girl on girl could be either way as they both have equal amounts to penetrate with. If you're submissive you'll want him to fuck you, so bottom position.
So cute. It was funny how he just kinda ended up with the whole package, he went from being heartbroken at the wedding to BEING the wife when she left. I wish i could have a cute life like this, though maybe without the heartbreak/he doesn't know i'm gay even though he clearly does drama? Meh, i'd take it how it is, the reward would be worth the pain/insecurities. Can't wait for more!