I’m actually surprised people are even mentioning the rape scene as Takano has in fact raped/coerced Ritsu previous times before. I admitted have long since stopped cheering for any sort of relationship between these two characters because it is utterly toxic. Ritsu is guliable and Takano while “pitiable due to his past” - sarcasm and eye roll, he is truly a disgusting case of “nice guy” that some won’t be able to distinguish beyond his moments of nicety to Ritsu. But like many who have and continue to read this my nostalgia and loyalty to one of the first mangas i had read which introduced me to yaoi has made continue to this journey. I more than want to simply just finish this manga and consider it an accomplishment, that I and others have grown past our initial acceptance of the problematic issues that plague the genre and now see for its entertainment but never as deseriable or worth encouraging even in a fictional setting. however there are others even younger than I reading this yaoi for the first time, with possible this manga being their starting point like myself and are being introduced to a relationship that justifies more than its fair share of toxicity without the knowledge of experience and healthy references. Let’s not shame people for reading this for whatever their reason, but please stop excusing fictional rape as acceptable as well as the workings of toxic relationships. while some can differentiate, fictional abuse/ violence/ sexual violence are just as influencable as any media source to say otherwise is ignorant and harmself
I find great that in this manga all the fans, the ones that like Takano and the ones that don't, find his actions equally horrible. That's not something that happens in other mangas, unfortunately, and I think that's mostly because a huge part of the fans of this manga are older, we've grown up with the story and keep on reading it because of nostalgia, as you said, but we're perfectly able to distinguish a toxic relationship when we see it
But for new yaoi readers, this is not the better start, like, at all. Specially if we're talking about teens.
You are right , beginners should try first shounen ai with lots of fluff
Yep, or at least some yaoi that aren't based on the rape trope (or mangas that don't normalize rape)
I always recommend Rutta to Kodama (by Fujitani Youko) to everyone hahaha
Cause it shows a really healthy relationship even tho it is yaoi (Ii Ko Ii Ko Shiteageru from the same autor works too).
Honestly what the hell is the timeline of this story. Now there’s cars and colonial style modern houses all of a sudden? Is the author just being lazy in being consistent
i dont know when it is, but remembers me a lot of 91 days (its an anime) and i think the time is the same, you should see it
thanks for the suggestion I'lll have to give it a watch
youre welcome! the anime is really good, but veeeery melancholic
Honestly will never get the appeal of the Aniki I mean he treated the lachkey like absolute shit constantly. For the sake of the plot they finally have sex and all is forgiven, like being in a coma and unbreakable loyalty deserves such a simplistic resolution. I almost feel sorry for the guy that’s he that stupid to forgive the guy simply with an “I love you” and a round of sex, that guy left you more so for his self preservation in dealing with his unwanted feelings more so than anything, the aniki you loved for his strength is a coward when it counts really.
neither of the two young boys have had sex before. Who's to say if you're only capable of being a "top" or "bottom" that is literally the wonders of sex between men you have options. It actually pissed me off reading this chapter because it boils down the problem of "seme vs.uke" trope to it's core. That certain characteristics of an individual mean they're forced into the box of their sexual position defining their personality to themselves and to their partner's. The whole your partner is so cute when i make them the "bottom" is implying that their submissiveness in bed but otherwise defiant personality is what turns you on.If neither of you have even had the possibility to define what turns you on in bed, what's the harm in allowing yourself the opportunity to experience something new fully? If you can't top and hate the experience or you can't bottom and hate the experience then you've learned. Changes can then be made to accommodate everyone in the relationship. It's just so annoying how a chapter that was meant to be sweet unintentionally I'm sure just reduced an otherwise wholesome gay relationship to a giant stereotype of who's the "woman in the relationship". Plus not all gay males like even having anal sex, some relationships perform other sexual acts or none at all, lest we not forget asexuals who are homoromantic. I'd never pick up a manga and expect it to be politically correct, but this was a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment for two young gay men who were uncertain about themselves, and it would have been so much better if yes they had even gone with he rock paper scissors route because not only been fair but a perfectly childish way within reason to take a leap of faith. Later if we have another delinquent bottom because we are bound by principle of well it's cute to see him looking ravaged, it's because he choose and decided for himself he'd prefer the experience or even hell wants to switch it up later too. It's disrespectful to expect your partner to roll over and bottom for you simply because you don't have the courage to make yourself vulnerable in turn and then be sulky you didn't get your way, clearly you're still child not ready for sex.
Wooow . That's a long ass comment , dude
Hm as a gay guy I totally agree with this. The only thing is that this only (or at least from what I’ve seen) only exists in manga, boy’s love dramas, etc.. because women think this is how it is which is sad because it isn’t like that at all in real life. All gay people I know and my exes we’re always down to experiment (I’m a verse bottom and they’re usually just toos), I’ve never had someone be like “oh you’re cute so you should just stay as a bottom because that’s how it is” which just sounds stupid lmao
Spoilers:
If you completely ignored the obviously striking art and took this plot at face value, it's about a psychopath who murders someone who witnesses him either burying/ unearthing a body he's desecrated, keeps them hostage, rapes their now dead but fully aware body to curve his sick mind and desires, and then relies on his childish tendencies of manic emotion in order to manipulate and gain the affection of their victim with a broken past of his own, who will in fact eventually develop feelings for a real monster who turned him into a monster. but hey the arts pretty.
".. but hey the arts pretty." how we usually end up in these kinds of stories. It was unearthing btw. The body seemed to be there for a while.
So we find out that Toudou behavior was because he was a shallow playboy you used people and tossed them aside for sport. Well i reiterate my point that if Kirishima still wants you the gay converting sex must be bomb. I’m completely over someone like Toudou acting sorry for himself. He’s literally only a decent person to Kirishima and anyone associated to Kirishima i.e. lil Kirishima (bro) otherwise he’s honestly straight up a dick and pretends to be otherwise.
And the thing is Toudou was like this literally up until Kirishima “convinced” Toudou to date him. Toudou didn’t do anything to change his ways in the intermediate time lest we forget, he still was cruising even during that time so his behavior isn’t a secret. To say Toudou changed isn’t true, it’s simply Kirishima was the exception to his behavior. It’s disingenous to claim Toudou is some chivalrous thoughtful man in general. If he’s a decent person because of Kirishima loving him just say that and be honest the rest of the setup was just pointless already known information.
For me, Toudou is a flawed person, but in a bad way. Not bad "per se" but he did have a shitty behaviour until not that long ago. Kirishima is a flawed person, but in the opposite way. While Toudou has always been shallow, Kirishima is serious and honest. And in my opinion, he is fighting way harder than Toudou for their relationship when he was supposedly the one that should've been "chased" (being new to same sex relationships and all). That shows me that Kirishima is not only stronger (psychologically speaking) but also more mature. He is honest about what he wants, and even if he is afraid sometimes he is not "afraid of their relationship" at all.
I reaaaaally like him
That ends up being the case for most plots I read that center on a playboy seme and “innocent” uke. I read for the uke’s characterization and not the seme’s because the seme tend to be very 1D and there’s not much development in their character. They’re apparent growth is the result of “love” but it’s never a love they seek but one practically handed to them, completely reinforcing their continued shallowness
honestly is this strictly yaoi in the sense that there will be fan service sex mainly with a barely there plot (pwp) or instead a fantastical plot of absurdity with a dash of romance for pity's sake? This plot as it stands doesn't present itself as a likely romance kindled between the two leads regardless of how interesting I find it. The plot is definitely unique and so far well written. However you have a sadistic demon bent on using a human for a means to an end which includes killing/torturing said human. And a confused police officer who is down on his luck, but continues to have a string of bad luck follow him for simply existing. I'm always intrigued how authors' are able to rationalize a romance that would otherwise be completely impossible from a realistic point of view even when the suspension of disbelief is already at an all time high.
Is it compulsory for Yaoi to be romance? Nope. Yaoi is just sexual relationship between 2 guys, not necessarily love. Currently we only have Yaoi in this, with the fan service and actual sex in future (I think) But I don't feel like it's going to take a romance turn anytime soon. (Since the cop is a widower who still hasn't recovered from his wife's death and the demon is just using him to open the door and bullying him)
that last chapter was pretty underwhelming in the sense that we find out that his imaginary doppelgänger for his childhood friend is very much alive, but that Myunghan's parents had known that there was something very wrong with their child, who had internalized his trauma and guilt could have been spared of this entirely had they simply told him the truth 10 yrs ago. Sihoo's mother is clearly a bitch for blaming a child for what was clearly an accident, even more so an accident caused partially by her negligence and her own son's recklessness. Separating the children, for your own peace of mind in justifying your anger and blame on Myunghan is deplorable, but seems to be a running theme in Korean manhwa/entertainment of scapegoating parents. (Sidenote watch a Korean Drama should you get the chance and almost every plot has parents who will at some point ruin someone's else life and place blame on either their child's love interest or friend, literally every time). I mean what's the point of keeping the status of Sihoon's health a secret when especially it resulted to the point of Myunghan becoming a social pariah with acute anxiety? You're truly a bad parent if it takes you ten years to excuse your personal problems as reasons enough to prolong combating your son's deteriorating mental health. Secondly the friend's reaction to being reunited to his childhood friend was so blase I have no words to describe how insulted and annoyed I'd all at once. Understandably he provided the closure that Myunghan needed desperately but i'd reckon he stayed for no more than 10 minutes when they have 10 years of lost time to catch up on. You might have your own life, but sparing 10 minutes even for your old childhood best friend is that much to ask? Seriously? More so because you know he called you out of the blue, shouldn't his unexpected contact seem worthy of fully investigating for its cause? Or better yet fainting at least some curiosity? I feel so let down by their reunion if i'm being honest, and just angered by how many people failed Myunghan up until this point in helping to rid him of his "ghosts".
This last chapter was really strange indeed. I think the author's idea is that Myunghan's mom never knew about his son psychological problems since they weren't even talking to each other. She didn't tell him about Sihoo's condition because she didn't think it was relevant anymore after he befriended Seungchan, and then as time passed the topic was simply forgotten. Again because she never knew it was weighting heavily on her son. About Sihoo's reaction, again, it's really odd. Maybe it's the author's way to tell us that Sihoo has moved on and this reunion didn't really mean anything for him, or my theory is that there's still much more that we don't know and maybe there's some convulated reason behind Sihoo's action.
I really don't know tbh, I hate plot holes but I'm trying to at least give the author the benefit of doubt by largely interpreting what they want to tell us but it's getting hard and honestly, I just believe they should've done a better job with some of the exposition.
I would like to add to iSexy's remarks about Myunghan's mother: I can't accuse her of bad parenting nor hate her because she DID try to reconcile with Sihoo's mother for her son's sake (after all, it didn't seem like the entire families were friends with each other, acquaintances at best) and it just seems that she not only felt so much guilt over her failure but that she also wanted to spare her son the pain of knowing he wouldn't be able to see his best friend even though he was alive because Sihoon's b**** mother blamed them both for the accident. For an impressionable little boy that could have lead to him destroying himself with self blame and guilt. I think his mother wanted to spare him that. And when she saw how happy he was with Seungchan she thought he was finally forgetting Sihoo, or, at least she was hoping he was.
i know that it's the point of the plot, but I've never really been a fan of the manipulate your dumb crush into sleeping with you under false pretenses that many yaoi mangas employ, especially with the threesome trope in addition. It somehow makes me feel uncomfortable, it's why I honestly hated Choco Strawberry I know these sort of three ways end up being happily ever afters but I just feel bad how only one character is completely manipulated but is too stupid or accepting of the situation and allows themselves to be completely taken advantage of.
Me too. I don't like manipulative characters as I tend to feel bad for the manipulated.