MangaThinker's Topics (942)

Err, people who are reincarnated are not supposed to have their past memories? Hence they become a new/different person?
I don't get it, isn't that supposed to be issue here? Because she remembers her past that she can't accept him because it reminds her of the tragic ex and that she had lived way longer in total count than him which made them in a different mindset.
I feel like I'm trying to follow a direction on a poorly roundabout drawn map. Whatever.
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Sometimes I think the authors have some sort of masochistic tendencies or are brainwashed to always forgive men as long they are hyper attractive + desirable regardless of their shitty personalities.

Doctor Elise and The Abandoned Empress are another example where I also question their logic and definition of love.
I understand that the execution of the MC Elise by the order of ML was very justified because she was an evil bitch. But what I can't comprehend is that the narrative make the ML suddenly becomes curious and suddenly falls in love with the reformed FL who literally becomes a saint in the new timeline even though he was never interested in her as a woman in the original timeline and new Elise made the decision to let go of ML/forced fiance/husband.
Apparently the message is, if you become a nice innocent good girl you get the emotional unavaible brooding cold boy. Oh my, I ve seen that trope in so many Hollywood productions!

Aristia from The Abandoned Empress suffers from PTSD and had the determination to become more empowered and liberated after years of mistreatment, abuse, rape + finally death by the ML who is literally an arrogant incompetent manchild suffering under an inferior complex. Just because he was drugged and manipulated by someone else doesn't excuse his behaviour towards FL! While rewinded Tia works very hard to become stronger, the ML keeps bothering her despite still traumatized by his past actions until she is wore down. Because of ML's attention to her she becomes naturally the target of evil jealous bitches.
Message: She does all the hard work and sufferings, at the same time she unintentionally changes that shitbag of a ML to become a better shinier person...
So it's the girl's job to change the boy no matter what - Another cliche that also exists in Hollywood!

If the MC comes from another world/dimension, possess a originally very heinous villainess bitch and the ML is very endearing; that I can accept.
"Survive as the Hero's Wife"

Yeah those commentators who defends "the must love your killer trope" must have some personal issues, twisted common sense or an unhealthy toxic view of love.

Was also disgusted with that story because it reminds of my younger years where I wasted so much time on many shitty men. Not anymore since 2017. I also took the initiative to either get away from them or having the last word for good.
Ignoring Mental issues and preserving patriarchal conservatism still prevails in Asia.
I am sorry to hear what your own brother did to you.
I am hoping that you are healing and still getting better.
I also hope that your brother will deserve all the worst things in the world.
You are not alone. I have depressions and the wish of an early peaceful death.
I highly recommend a support group, whenever you can afford a therapist or not. Maybe you already are in a good one that fits you.

Here is a Spanish movie with eng sub about women getting away with murder of predatory men and having a nice ending:
https://openloadmovies.pw/movies/volver/

If and after you watch this movie VOLVER, I like to hear your feedback about this story.

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I don’t get you ? Theodore never tortured Martina, his brother did - after she lost her purpose ‘revenge) he could easily have her die, but instead he gave her a title, a name and by doing so a reason to live
They both were victims of his family abuse and his brother
They both did not chose their life and he probably could never get over his family’s way (betrayal, power struggle, etc ) and could never be strong enough to be a king or love a descendant of the witch people who killed his family (no legitimacy to marry her)
We don’t know the reasons for his depression but he certainly was weak hearted : that’s certainly bad, but how is it abuse toward her ?

It is quite the soap opera logic that Martina has to fall in love with the brother of her abusing rapist/mortal enemy. And she had to kill him because of some stupid personal dramatic reason he ordered/forced her to execute him.
I wouldn't be surprise that his downfall is due to a dumb misunderstanding or that he ve never really gotten the love from Martina he so desired...
I am well aware of what Theodore has done for Martina. Who said he was abusive towards her? Don't put false words in my mouth.
Would have been enough to stay as friends or friendly allies. Even the teacher and the whole class found it ridiculous that Martina loved Theodore in chapter 4.
But do these two really need to end up together?
He was killed by her and she was deeply hurt by him. And now fate has brought these two reinacarnated fools together.

wait what? the ML killed her in the first tl?? wasnt Astina who killed him thats why she became Empress?? i don understand ur point lol

My point was that it is quite messed up that a FL falls in love again with the ML who mistreated and killed her.
In Astina/Martina's case she killed her lover/ML in the first past life. And reincarnated ML develops feelings for his past murderer.

I am not sure, if it generally allright be with someone who killed you for whatever reasons.

Ooohh!! I see, I was so confused what you were talking abt. But I think in some cases since this is a fantasy story, I think what its trying to show is that the power of love yk? also its unclear what the context of the past was so until we rlly know everything, I think they’re fine but that’s just my opinion

Don't get me wrong. I love seeing these two characters and their endearing dynamic together. But since I ve been bitching about "Fl Must Love Her Asshole Killer Trope" I don't wanna sound hypocritical.

no its understandable. I mean I love these two but theres another novel I'm reading called 'I dont love you anymore' I think?? and its that trope only 100x worse so I dropped it

Another trope that I also can't understand. MC decides to become self-empowered and suddenly her shit family + ex-fiance become interested in her...
I mean there is some truth about this trope. If you become suddenly independent stronger those miserable parasites around you become nervous and perplex.

I ve just read the NovelUpdate Spoilers about 'I dont love you anymore' and damn the MC has become self-efficient assertive winner after years of mistreatment from all sides!

https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/i-don%E2%80%99t-love-you-anymore-spoilers.99253/

That novel "I don't want to be loved!" is really so much worse than "I don't love you anymore".

The FL's independence and self-empowerment is heavily underminded by her past husband/ML/asshole who also remembers the first timeline and force her to become his wife again - Trope: ML loved FL the whole time but due to his own misunderstandings he mistreats her and lets her suffer. Her half-sister killed her but his negligence and stupidity was also a major factor to her death (╬￣皿￣)

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-dont-want-to-be-loved/

oh yeah its 'I dont want to be loved'! hahah i forgot the actual name i was too lazy to search it up. Yeah not to mention the death of her baby etc

I got two spoilers looking for one XD

WARING: there's a HUGE spoiler on the story "Beware of the Villainess". Read at your own risk

That’s why I love this character so much! Including the author! Like she knows her limitations but still find ways that her abilities can achieve. Their romance is not even rushed which I love. I hate the trope where they meet and instantly the ML fall in love. It’s slow paced and it gives this manga an even deeper character. He’s not falling in love just because she’s pretty, but because of her skill and renowned confidence and I LIVE FOR THAT! So I totally understand what you mean

There is real character development ^^
I also appreciate the power dynamic between these two.
I don't have the impression that she is inferior to the rich powerful vengeful ML at all.
Despite being lower status and having less power than him she displays an attitude of reason, pride, diginity, determination, tranquility and inner emotional strenght!

And the ML does not treat her like shit or manhandling her at all. He does tease her but we also see that he gets shaken up by her. I mean how many times have you already witness the trope where a dark haired ML Prince has threaten, intimidate or humiliate the FL with his superior strenght + wisdom and practically dominates the relationship after woring down the disinterested FL?! Coersion.
I really dislike these Alphaholes in "The Justice of Villainous Woman" + "The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass".

Daisy and her ML Killian are on equal footing. She is more consequential and unwavering than the MC in "The Reason Why Raeliana Ended up at the Duke's Mansion". Raelina is a good character but she still gets easily mentally swept away by others (males).

Holy Pudding where have you been all my life!? But,Exactly!!! The MLs in “ The Justice of Villainous Women” and “The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass” when they both see the FL, they immediately doubt her skills and only show respect or what I call “gentleman aura” to them because of their beauty and/or gender. Not because of their abilities or intelligence. While for the ML Killian like what you said, He thinks of themselves as equals. He is aware of her and acknowledges that she could be a threat. He doesn’t think of her as a “ simple-minded person(which all ML in every manga that I read think about a woman or mainly the FL)” but as a partner.

For Daisy, I also agree with you she is also consequential and unwavering. She stands for what she wants and try to find a way to make it work.

:) Glad to meet ya^^

The "gentlemen aura"... This is so true! MLs likes these are patronizing chauvinists!
What's the point of a strong smart FL, if she still gets pushed around/intimidated by others and always gets saved by a very arrogant jerk who also causes indirectly her suffering.
Usually a FL tries to empower herself by any means and distances herself from the toxic ML but he keeps undermining her position/actual goal by pursuing/stalking against her will. And in addition there are countless evil jealous bitches targeting the FL because the most desired bachelor chose her. It never occured those dumb bitches that they have issues to take care of or that the ML is not worth their time! You should see how many manhuas haved used this unhealthy messed up overused tropes and storylines already!

I have mixed feelings About Raeliana: She is capable to defend or save herself but there are moments where she can't say no or gets lead on by certain "possesive/obsessive" male characters especially the dark ML. She is still better and competent than the incapable MC in "Everything was a Mistake". Fun fact: The novel's heroine is the one who is assertive, couragous and resourceful! She is the one who moves things around not actually the MC/FL.

My favourite bitch queen of all time who can break the spirits of shitty MLs: Melissa from "Beware of the Villainess". I sometimes imagine her being the sister of Bakarina and Cale the Trash Count ^^
Before discovering Melissa there were the gems "The Peerless Alchemist" and Rachel from "Slow Life Prison" :)
Why you should read this:
Peerless Alchemist is a sassy fun loving queen who has a male waifu. And her two mounts a wolf and deer are so gay for each other ^^
Rachel is a functional lazy sociopath who enjoys her vacation time in prison full with her stuff and is still able to torture the dumb prince aand his entourage from the comfort of her cell ^^

And I like to recommend "The Pet Of The Villainess" because this story is about empathy, empowerment and liberation of serveral fleshed out characters becoming more stronger and endearing together! ^^

Oop thank you for these, I love story's like these but I've gotten tired of cold MLS who are nice but only to their chosen love etc like tf, oh yeahhe has friends he's nice he's not all bad but every scene is him hitting or disparaging his 'friends' who are hyped up as powerfull on their own like tf. Or the fl who decides to befriend the powerfull people of her past life without realizing that she's changing their future by interacting with them and giving them a diff position like tf

The ML in "The Villainess Lives Twice" is a darling.

Do you personally can recommend stories that does not reflect the tropes you dislike?

Oh I really like 'I became a Villianess Empress', 'A Stepmothers Marchen', and not a reincarnation but 'Emperor and the Female Knight', and 'Gorae Byul'. Gorae Byul is so beautifull I highly recommend the Fl is so soft but so sharp at the same time.

I like the "I became a Villianess Empress" better than the logic and world building in "It Looks Like I’ve Fallen into the World of a Reverse Harem". In the latter the reason why the MC is stucked in this game as the Villainess Queen is because her real life stupid spoiled sick sister made a deal with a dumb god.
I appreciate "Emperor and the Female Knight" but it is hard to watch to see her to keep struggling alone as a plain woman most of the time and her power/position still depends on the blonde emperor.
"Kingdom of The Queen" is so much more empowering and badass because several female characters from different background are fighting with all their might against many male assholes/the patriachy !!! ^^
And there is also "Peerless Alchemist" about an op female badass queen literally punishing every men who tries to harm her because she is a girl ^^
I will consider Gorae Byul.

I have another important question for you:

I ve discovered the novel "Mother of a Villainess" and its ending pisses me very much off because the struggling MC ends up again with the ML/Husband who caused her misery, suffering and death in the first place/timeline.
https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/mother-of-a-villainess.110767/
He is as shitty, inmature AND incompetent like the ML Prince Ruveliss from "The Abandoned Empress".
There is another novel called "I Am a Duchess Who Has Rewound Nine Times, but My Tenth Life Seems to Be a Reward Mode" where the MC very likely ends up with her reformed killer/fiance who executed her several times.

Are these FLs secretly extreme forgiving machsochists?
Some proponents commented that the garbage MLs in the first timeline are not the same in the new final timeline. They argue that these MLs are different cause they are doing an effort to change and treat the MC better - Yeah more like becoming obessive with her after she became a more interesting positive useful stunning person!
The only reason why these alphaholes are easily changing for the better it's because of the great hardwork and suffering of the rewinded female protagonist who did not want anything more to do with them anymore!
Should they even rewarded for getting the girl they tortured and killed in the original timeline???!!! I hate that logic and trope!

Recommendation where the Prince or the typical MLs don't get the FL/MC who was killed by their actions:
The Healer demands Payment (Novelupdate)
Tearmoon Empire Story
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/untouchable-lady/

I really acnt stand FLs, who make an 'plan's to avoid MLs or not antagonize people who they antagonized in the past but also put themselves in their path and then get attached to them once more. Like I read the summary of the novel you gave and from what it seems like she'll probs end up with him again, only this time he'll seem more nice bc she's better now in that case should we forgive them? Maybe but the FL doesn't even think about that, instead the ML takes one slightly romantic look at them and they go kyah I want revenge on you, while being passionately hugged by the ML who is still exactly the same but only now likes her cause she as you said slightly more interesting. I have read some where she makes sure to get the ML she wants, ergo not the man she married or followed in the past life and in those the MLs are always more respectful and arent cold but rather observant of people, even though they dont know the FL theu still stalk to her respectfully and hear her pit and then they give her more respect after they hear her plans not just because she's the lady they are interested in or desire.

Praise the authors who created the "Beware of the Villainess"; "The Pet Of The Villainess" ,"The Lady's Butler", "The Duchess with an Empty Soul", "The Villainess Lives Twice" and "The Stereotypical Life of a Reincarnated Lady".
Untypical great FL and ML :) Good stories about empowerment and liberation!

Thank you for sharing your honest opinion with me :) I so agree with you ;)

By the way, I have conflicted feelings about the story "The Lady and the Beast".
Here we have a great badass FL who killed the man/king she once trusted and loved. She died of old age and gets reborn over a hundred years later with all of her past memories and meets the ML who is very likely the reincarnation of the man without the memories who betrayed her and was unintentionally cursed by her. The ML falls in love with her and after lots of rejection, denial and drama FL confess her love for the man who has the same face of her once beloved King who ordered/pushed her to kill him...

I don't know what I should really think about this complicated mess of a emotional rollercoaster. There is the debate, if he/ML/Duke is still considered the same person as the King of FL's former live in that universe.

I personally think reincarnations deserve chances, they arent the same people regardless of the fact that they share a face and perhaps fate, but theres different pressures and ideas now and they can have different thoughts...

Thanks for the convincing arguments, my dear :)

Nah thanks for the good recommendations!

Maaan where have ya'll been all this time, such people of culture ~
I really liked Raelina but goddamn Noah's possessiveness and controlling behaviour made me drop that manhwa smh.
I'd add another recommendation here, ya'll read Ebony. A great story of female empowerment, breaking shackles and learning how to stand on your own two feet. Watching Ebony grow from a hollow shell to a glorious intelligent woman is exhilarating. The ML is a very interesting character who wants to uproot the system. Great shit.
It's not a reincarnation/time travel story tho

Yasss. Finding such manga/manhwa feels so good man.
Btw, Stepmother's Marchen, Achievements of the duke's daughter, Your Throne and Ebony are great too. Do read em.

I alreay reading/read them and like most of them. But...

My problem with the Duke's daughter is that the MC has become more and more melodramatic and anxious + the ML has to be the prince/older brother of her douche ex-fiance. I am getting really tired of the prince charming saviour type and that the ML has to be part of the royal family/monarchy. I ve read also the translated novel.

About Stepmother's Marchen... I like the aspect that the church is the antagonist but I am bothered by the fact the MC Shuli is too young for a stepmother, the men around her only help her because she resembles an incredible lovely woman they were all in love with, the eldest step son has feelings for her who is the son of the dead father who was in love with the FL's older dead doppelgänger, the black haired ML whose father also had a crush on the pinkhaired famous lady, the prince is obsessed with her because she looks just like his late mother and the main head of the church is actually targeting her because of her resemblance with the lady he had surpressed feelings for... Duh....
Everything is actually about the lady Ludovica...
Even though the MC displays competency in the end what saves her are many men in her life/behind her back who are connected to Ludovica...
Correct me, if I am wrong...

https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/a-stepmothers-m%C3%A4rchen.90525/

Despite the quality, the logic of this story unfortunately really puts me off...

No your annoyance is valid. That's why I think Nora being the ML makes the perfect sense. He's the one dude who sees Shuri for her, not for someone else. I'm sure the story is about Shuri establishing her as her own person, so I suppose we gotta tolerate the lady Ludovica rants for now

But deadass I was annoyed that the ML of duke's daughter was the first prince, I had hoped that the new character was some unknown dark horse. But for what's worth, I've heard that the she'd ultimately stay as feif lord with the prince ditching his royal identity.

I don't like the trope that the FL often ends up with someone who is related to her ex asshole ex-fiance.
I also like that she still an intelligent woman in power and good ruler to her people + the ML is giving up being part of his toxic royal lineage after faking his own death.

Good point about Nora as the ML!!!

But I think Daisy is so much more competent and self-aware than Shuli considering the fact with how few resources or many disadvanges she has at the beginning. Shuli isn't interesting for me anymore because she is in the end a very lucky safe girl and she seems more like a plot device tool for the other characters. Despite following her inner monologues and doubts, she basically just lives for others.

Honestly ruined the story for me. I think the plot is interesting but the execution and the FL are just so poorly done

Her clumsyness almost killed her twice: First at the lake and second at the balcony.
And she has spent almost ten years with the ML/Villain without noticing anything until the heroine Alice explained it to her!!!???
I am so impressed that the Heroine of the novel is so assertive and competent!!!

How is whe clumsy? You know she did it deliberately right? She fell in purpose in the lake and didn't came back with the gift to make him understand that she was angry.

Also she put up with everything ml did because she knew that he was not akin to feel happiness and warmth considering his family doesn't like him and all, also she thought that things was still going to go in the novel flow,how is that stupid?

Agree to disagree. I see it quite differently.

No you didn't misunderstood that's it but that's also because she knew his background that she thought he understood him and was less easily angry and going with the flow of everything he did.

I kinda hate his mindset. But i'm glad he hasn't killed and kept his promise to not kill anyone.

Yes, that is a plus point for him. But if the clumsy MC wasn't conviently immune against his dark magic, he would have contolled her against her will like in the original story.
But then he gave her a chance to go away from in chapter 2 and she still returns to him... The MC is kinda dumb and naive, if you ask me. After reading 20 chapters she ironically often gets herself in danger due to her own stupidity.

I mean she still has her memories of fighting; however, she is in the body of a sickly noble girl that probably never did anything particularly strenuous in her life...

But she could start training again in secret or openly.

It isn't just her physical abilities but also her mindset.

Despite being a strong delinguent from the modern world she still has the weaknesses and restrictions of a shouho protagonist.

What I like about Melissa is that she does what she really wants and doesn't get swept away or intimidated by a superior teasing prince.

Maybe I am being too harsh and expecting too much of but since I discovered Melissa/Beware of the Villainess I can't help and be critical of these female protagonists being trapped in these disempowering tropes.

Definitely. Melissa is a legend, Serina is... well, we haven’t seen much from her since there’s only three chapters so far.

I'm hoping like you, that her mindset grows and also her strength. It's good to learn more about this world, don't let others take the lead or let them think for you. I'm rooting, she has potential.
Maybe she will become a little bit like Melissa or Scarlet or better (≧∀≦)

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THINGGG! I felt like something off was with this girl. I just couldn't explain it. People were saying that she's a strong female lead but... eh! I just don't see her that way.

... Scarlet...? From where?! I only know Melissa. Hehehe...

The problem with Scarlet from "May I ask for one final thing?" is the fact that the author for some stupid conservative reasons doen't allowed her to hit the ML/bullying perfect bored prince back. No matter how many times he teases or insults her, she can't really do anything about that jerk. It 's like an unspoken law not to kick the ass of a superior ML or he is Scarlet's kryptonite!

Recommendations:
"Slow Prison Life"
Unapologetic psycho lazy Rachel who likes to "torture/punish" the prince and his followers. The predecessor of Melissa!!!
"Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku"
Seemingly perfect Crown Prince Cecil has (great) character development and sth human.

Yes exactly, I don't like that too （￣へ￣）
I always hope to see that smug face of the prince waver xD

damn, i hate those stereotypes. why can't she just hit the damn jerks? grrr, anyway! thank you!

oh, i know "Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku". i already read it XDD

btw, in "Slow Prison Life"... "The Villainess' Slow Prison Life Began With Her Broken Engagement" >> is this it?

Yes ;) Rachel from "The Villainess' Slow Prison Life Began With Her Broken Engagement"

ooh, okie. Thank youuuuu~

What do you think about Crown Prince Cecil compared to Scarlet's ahit ML Julius Von Palistan?

I still haven't read it, so I'm not sure. I've only read of the story Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku.

But if you read "Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku" THEN you should know about the MC Cecil. And you also know about Scarlet and Julius so...

that's what I'm talking about though... I've read about Jishou Akuyaku Reijou na Konyakusha no Kansatsu Kiroku, but not about Scarlet and Julius... :|

Now I understand. You haven't read "May I ask for one final thing" yet.
Maybe after you ve read it you can give me your opinion.

yeah, I'm actually on my way to read it, hehehe.